Does anyone notice how some male clients have fantasy of submitting themselves to a female hypnotist? There were gentlemen who said they wanted to be brainwashed to become an ATM machine, wanted to be hypnotized to be a woman's dog or wanted to be addicted the sound of the female hypnotist's voice so he will be compelled to return to her with or without his consent.
Does any other female hypnotists experienced the same phenomenon? How do you handle men like that?
What you are describing sounds more in line with the "fetish" side of things and the people that do this kind of thing are normally called "HypnosDom(mes). Explain that you are more the "clinical" or "non-fetish" side of things.
The best way to handle them I would think is to tell them that is not your line of work. If they look on line they will almost certainly be able to find women that are willing to do that but they would need to look more toward the fetish sector.
I had many clients like you described who are submissive and their fantasy is to be controlled by a male of female in general.
I agree, that It is a form of "fetish" and If I am in the mood for excepting this type of clients, then, sure I will help those clients with enhancing their fantasy, but not before I explain what is hypnosis and what is not, and it is not about controlling anyone for sure.
"All Hypnosis Is Self Hypnosis"
I normally tell them that this is not the type of work I'd like to do, but since I am an open minded and none judgmental, I will help them if I can, but their are no guarantees, since what you believe is what you attract..
So sometimes I excuse myself out of it, but if I am in the creative mood, I agree to help.
As long as you understand what is it that they are looking for, If you are fun creative and open minded, I say go for it... and have fun with it, as long as you both know, it is not for healing but more like being open minded with their fantasy, after all they know what they want and it should be easy for you to do it.
Me and you know that you cannot do that for them, unless it is what they want to be and therefor their mind is already set for obeying to other female period.
You can tell your client, since all hypnosis is self hypnosis, as far as you are concern, all woman are a self hypnotist, some will like it and some wont, and in general he will attract the right female who is a self hypnotist to him self.
This is how I would handle it, it starts with me, Do I want to be creative and help my client with his or her fantasy or not, once I am OK with it, we have an agreement.
That is not a uniquely male trait. There are more than a few females who come to male hypnotists for the same thing. It is part of the rich variety of sexual reponse from the human species. Bonnie is correct. The behavior is a fetish and there are a host of online male and female dommes that cater to the world of submissive men and woman. You might read some of the threads in Bob Brown's HypnoFantasy group on this site. I am aware of at least two very successful female clinical therapist's that moonlighted at night as online hypnodommes. That said, it is obviously not a good idea to mix the two. I would think that "in person" work removes a number of the "safety barriers" and could lead to a lot of unwanted complications and dependancies.
Although I am not a female, my advice would be to refer them out to one of the many many hypnodomme wannabe's that proliferate cyberspace. You do not have to be critical. You can do it in an accepting and loving way. If they want to deal with the fetish/addiction and treat the problem... Then you have an opening to do clinical work with them. But, I would be sure you were making a video record of everything as that could get complicated quickly.
I had a male client, who was told he HAD to call for an appointment with a female hypnotist (I am the only one in my general area), who would make him "like" being bi-sexual, as well as being more submissive to his Dominant Mistress. At first I was very uncomfortable with it, because as a hypnotherapist, I cannot cross that fine line. So I connected with some other hypnotists, who explained how it can be done without the liability of being the one who may have caused this man to become bi-sexual and like it. When deep down, he may not be bi-sexual at all. I was explained a way to do it, without ever doing any suggesting. At which is what I was going to do. I did feel comfortable with this method. Thank you Bob~
This client then called back and asked me if I was going to make him do things. He suggested to me that his Master wanted me to make him do things. He explained that he expected me to have some other man on hand to help him learn to be a good slave.
I explained to him.... I am a hypnotherapist, I cannot cross that line. I can help him enhance his desires but will not let him touch me, or have anyone touch him.... but would hypnotize him only and help him with his own wants.
This man then called me four times, trying to convince me to be more dominant with him. Yet he hadn't come in for the appointment yet. I again stated that I had to remain professional and must keep the ethics as a hypnotherapist. He ended up being a "no show", because I refused to tell him what he wanted to hear.
There is no way I was going to provide a male for him. There is no way I was going to put him down and make him do the things his Dom wanted me to do. Not as a Hypnotherapist, anyway.
I have realized the demand is high for this type of hypnosis.
I am a fan of high expression and sexuality. It's a good thing.
I am looking into being able to supply some of that demand, without crossing the fine line. Just not as ME.
Yes of course it make sense.
I had so many of this type of clients who didn't show, since I didn't agree to do things that I was not comfertable with it as well it didn't sound like it was ethical.
I had a Real Easter agent calling me and asking me to hypnotize her boyfriend it to obeying to her to do some sick things and she said that they use to have a female hypnotist doing that when they lived in New York.
She emailed me her boyfriends picture and it was so disturbing that I had to contact one of the psychiatrist to ask for advice.
I was tolled to report her for an adult abuse, but she never called me back, so I didn't do anything about it.
All I know that this young guy was her best friends son, and this woman was dating him secretly and abusing him, since he had no self esteem and no money, he was doing what she wanted until one day he tolled her I won't do it again, and that is why she wanted to hire my so I hypnotize him into doing as she says.
I don't know how some hypnotist can do this type of hypnosis, but it does sounds ethical to me at all, for me it is violation of any human rights... and I am talking about using hypnosis to control someone against their wishes.
All I remeber back then I couldn't eat or drink for the entire week, even sleeping was a problem for me, it was really bad.
And I hope and pray that no one will ever agree to do it for desperation of money, it does not worth it.
I love my job and I will do it as long as it is normal and healthy.
If I am reading you correctly... His master (real or imagined) wanted you to be his master. I guess that's like taking a referral from the Uber master! I wonder why the Uber master couldn't do the Job herself Perhaps it was an issue of competence, a not so uncommon issue among hypnodomme wannabe's. As I said unwanted complications and dependancies abound if you do that stuff "live" and in person. You should be thankful he was a no show.
The obvious answer to doing it without being YOU is to assume an online personna and either set up your own site or join a syndicate like Hanna did and stick a lead video up on Youtube. For my money if some one where interested in that either as a domme oe a dommee, I would follow Jack's. (wizard of trance) suggestion.
There is also a seminar being offerred by Mark Cunningham called Training and conditioning for consensual slavery which I would consider mandatory for anyone serious about this area. (Mark is www.trucor,com.) Mark is real.
Most men are suckers for a good woman, and if they don’t think so, they probably haven’t had a good woman try yet.
Being controlled by a woman is a natural phenomenon in my opinion.
I can imagine at one time men got so scared; they took all rights away from the cave woman.
And I look back a 100 years ago and the woman’s role was to shut up and be beat by a drunken cheating husband if he so desired, and it was not an issue. That sickens me.
I believe love is hypnosis and I’m thinking that fake love, (or what you are talking about), is also a form of hypnosis….I’m tempted to say it’s a fake hypnosis, but it doesn’t matter what you call it when the hypnotee is giving permission, has the desire…..and actually begging to be put into trance and given suggestions or orders, fake trance or real trance, makes no difference what you call it. It’s real if it’s happening.
I think it’s unhealthy to have too much control and when there is no control, but when the control is in harmony….funny, it can be called sharing.
Anyway, my daughter is your age and is very independent and in a relationship where I would like her to utilize more control.
There is a fine line….seeing not enough control, and to encourage more control and end up with too much, or stay out of it and let nature take it’s course?
Yes, control can be fun as you are experiencing….but in my situation, I thought I wanted my daughter to use more of her female control, (or manipulation),…..I don’t like if someone is taking advantage. She has good decision qualities and she is good at reading people, so I have a tendency to just be a strong support energy, unless my intuition tells me otherwise.
Then last week she was visiting and asked what co-dependence was….I said, that’s what you have or are……thanks to my drinking when you were young. She looked it up on line, said her boyfriend fit the pattern to a tee, she knows I have a lot of books, she's borrowed some self esteem books before, she asked if I had any about co-dependency, I said I haven’t gotten around to those yet and she went out and bought one, I told her I would buy it off her, if it’s a good one.
Now back to your question.
Why are you asking what others do, it almost sounds like you are looking for some advice.
I think you know exactly what you are doing, and are just toying with us….and that’s ok with me, there are many reasons I smile, playing with women is one of my favorite reasons for smiling.
So here it is in a nut shell, if I have a problem I want to deal with, I’m very picky about my hypnotherapist, but if I have a specific fantasy…..could I ask you what I should do? Or could I ask you what you should do to me?
I am assuming (correctly or incorrectly) that these people are ringing up, as opposed to having a face to face conversation.
That being the case, then it is quite likely, that they are getting a kick out of your response. And quite probably are masturbating whilst talking to you. The longer you spend on the phone with them, the bigger the kick, even if you are not apparently giving them what they ask for. Also the longer you carry on the conversation, the more they are likely to ring back again, and go over the same request, because they, know that they have got you hooked. After they have come, they will hang up. And then ring you again the next time they are in the mood.
So one of the things you have to ask yourself is 'do I want to facilitate this person's phone wank?'
If the answer is no, (as it would be with me) then politely but firmly terminate the call. When they ring back, and try again. simply hang up, without engaging in their fantasy.
If the answer is Yes... then you need to think about your terms of business. (but ask for the money in advance, of extending the conversation, as once they have come, the urge to pay might evaporate)
You see hypnogoddess dreamsender we do have some common characteristics... you looked at the web site and youtube stuff first! But Steve has a good point. As long as there are women men will enjoy women toying around with them, The opposite is also true.,, and Scott has the bendwidth to keep this discussion going as long as we want. Although, it was better started over in Bob Brown's Hypnofantasy group and it would seem more professional if it was gramatically correct, Male clients want .. Not Male clients wants.
Sorry just some dry british hypnohumor.