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Medium state? Somnabulism? Depth?
I have learned to asume that there is no such thing as depth levels, even when sometimes it is useful to think about them as a reference, to calibrate the level of response and also for the tests to work as convincers. Anyway, I think one should never forget that there is no such thing as depth: any pre-established scale will be proven wrong as you work with different subjects.
But two objective physical objective details make me wonder:
a) The trembling eyes turned upwards when I suggest catalepsy to someone.
b) The side to side eye movement described by Gerald Kein in his course, as a sign of somnambulism. I have never perceived this when hypnotizing a person, but in my case it usually happens: when I start to loose the Elman numbers, my eyes tend to change its movement to a side to side one, for some moments. Perhaps I am conditioned from what I learned in the course and I expect it to happen.
Finally, I would like to know from the experience of you all: is there such a thing as the Coma state?
Thanks and best wishes to everyone.
But two objective physical objective details make me wonder:
a) The trembling eyes turned upwards when I suggest catalepsy to someone.
b) The side to side eye movement described by Gerald Kein in his course, as a sign of somnambulism. I have never perceived this when hypnotizing a person, but in my case it usually happens: when I start to loose the Elman numbers, my eyes tend to change its movement to a side to side one, for some moments. Perhaps I am conditioned from what I learned in the course and I expect it to happen.
Finally, I would like to know from the experience of you all: is there such a thing as the Coma state?
Thanks and best wishes to everyone.
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Permalink Reply by Pablo Manzano on -
I'm going to add something here, as my initial post did not get a lot of attention.
What worries me is when I hear someone with knowledge discrediting something I use. I feel as if I'm not doing things properly, even when I know hypnosis is a subjective experience for both operators and hypnoticed subjects, and there is no right or wrong technique as long as it works for both.
I think one of the few points we can agree on is that what creates the response is the level of mental expectancy about it coming. So there are no "levels", in fact, only expectations. But if we have to create the proccess and control it, I find it reasonable to start little by little: some suggestions will be easier to accept than others, and although the scale to measure this is different on each individual, we are all humans living in the same world, so there will always be things in common we can use as references. (Of course, we should consider them only that: references which most of the time work, but that also can fail.)
That's why I find it reasonable to think in levels, even when they don't exist as such: with them in mind, it's easy to create a step by step build-up of expectancy which gets us to the point where we can obtain what we want of hypnosis. I think this is pretty obvious stuff, but I don't think I've ever seen it described in this way.
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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on -
Hi Pablo,
I am interested to see you say that your initial post did not get a lot of attention.
I am assuming that you base that assumption, on the fact that it has not (til now) had a response)
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Like a lot of members on here, I read much of what is posted, but only respond to relatively few posts.
So I imagine that your initial posting did get quite a bit of attention, but no one has felt moved to respond as yet.
I personally have not for many years, had any great attachment to the concept of 'Levels' of hypnosis.
I don't think they are particularly relevant to therapy.
I do agree with you that working step by step, to achieve the changes you want, is a most useful strategy.
As regards, side to side eye movements, related to Sonambulism... It's not something I have come across, and I have never studied gerald Kein, so perhaps that explains why.
I generally asssociate eye movements under the closed eyelids, with a person visualising, or dreaming (as in REM), where the eyes are following the imagined action. This happens with or without hypnosis.
This is quite different from the fluttering of the eyelids, which quite often appears as a person is first going into hypnosis. This is due to the tiny muscles around the eyelids (the smallest voluntary muscles in the body), relaxing very quickly, whereas the larger muscle groups in the brows, and cheeks are not quite so relaxed, and this differential in relaxation/ tension creates the tiny movements in the eyelids. as the relaxation in the larger muscles catches up, this initial fluttering fades away.
Love and hugs,
Fable
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