Migrane

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Permalink Reply by Gus on February 5, 2010 at 2:19pm

Super...thanks
Gus

Joshua Johnston said:

I would talk to Melissa Roth, as she specializes in migraines. I took a workshop with her a while back and she taught a useful technique to quickly lower the pain of a migraine so that you can hypnotize the client. If she doesn't chime in here, I'll post again with a brief description of the technique as I remember it.

Joshua

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Permalink Reply by Karena on February 5, 2010 at 2:20pm

Thank you Joshua.

Karena.

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Permalink Reply by Roy Hunter on February 5, 2010 at 8:06pm

At the mid-America hypnosis conference in Chicago in October of 2009, Melissa had a booth right next to mine. We got to know each other fairly well, and I was quite impressed with her sincerety and knowledge of hypnosis.

If she has some info regarding migraines, there is a good probability that it is very much worth listening to...especially since she has a background combining hypnotherapy with medical experience.

Best wishes,
Roy Hunter

Joshua Johnston said:

I would talk to Melissa Roth, as she specializes in migraines. I took a workshop with her a while back and she taught a useful technique to quickly lower the pain of a migraine so that you can hypnotize the client. If she doesn't chime in here, I'll post again with a brief description of the technique as I remember it.

Joshua

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Permalink Reply by Melissa J. Roth on February 8, 2010 at 5:16am

Thank you Roy and Joshua for your kind words. You cannot relax a person who is in a full blown migraine. And, rapid inductions do not work either. The pain is so intense it creates its own focus and own trance. You must first relieve some of the pain before you can get the client into trance. I use a waking trance and do a technique called The Word Game to reduce the pain to the level of a bad headache instead of the over the top pain of a migraine. It takes about 5 minutes. Basically, you want to use the limitations fo the conscious mind and transform the pain sensations into words. The conscious mind can no longer recognize the sensations as misery and suffering. That causes a big drop in pain levels. Once you have the recognition of the pain to the level of a bad headache then you use a progressive relaxation to trance then redirect the blood flow to the extremities. This relieves the pressure on the brain, relieves the remaining pain sensations and serves as a vehicle to prevent future migraines. I have a $35 book specifically on how to relieve and prevent migraines. It works like a machine.

Roy Hunter said:

At the mid-America hypnosis conference in Chicago in October of 2009, Melissa had a booth right next to mine. We got to know each other fairly well, and I was quite impressed with her sincerety and knowledge of hypnosis.

If she has some info regarding migraines, there is a good probability that it is very much worth listening to...especially since she has a background combining hypnotherapy with medical experience.

Best wishes,
Roy Hunter

Joshua Johnston said:

I would talk to Melissa Roth, as she specializes in migraines. I took a workshop with her a while back and she taught a useful technique to quickly lower the pain of a migraine so that you can hypnotize the client. If she doesn't chime in here, I'll post again with a brief description of the technique as I remember it.

Joshua

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Permalink Reply by Melissa J. Roth on February 8, 2010 at 5:40am

One more thought.........NEVER, EVER give a client ANY medication, over-the-counter, prescription, herbal, vitamin, etc. You can give them a cup of water to take their own meds but you NEVER, NEVER, NEVER give them anything else. You are opening yourself to a manslaughter charge if something happens to them regardless of whether you were at fault or not. And, migraines can be fatal. They are not just bad headaches.

Melissa J. Roth said:

Thank you Roy and Joshua for your kind words. You cannot relax a person who is in a full blown migraine. And, rapid inductions do not work either. The pain is so intense it creates its own focus and own trance. You must first relieve some of the pain before you can get the client into trance. I use a waking trance and do a technique called The Word Game to reduce the pain to the level of a bad headache instead of the over the top pain of a migraine. It takes about 5 minutes. Basically, you want to use the limitations fo the conscious mind and transform the pain sensations into words. The conscious mind can no longer recognize the sensations as misery and suffering. That causes a big drop in pain levels. Once you have the recognition of the pain to the level of a bad headache then you use a progressive relaxation to trance then redirect the blood flow to the extremities. This relieves the pressure on the brain, relieves the remaining pain sensations and serves as a vehicle to prevent future migraines. I have a $35 book specifically on how to relieve and prevent migraines. It works like a machine.

Roy Hunter said:

At the mid-America hypnosis conference in Chicago in October of 2009, Melissa had a booth right next to mine. We got to know each other fairly well, and I was quite impressed with her sincerety and knowledge of hypnosis.

If she has some info regarding migraines, there is a good probability that it is very much worth listening to...especially since she has a background combining hypnotherapy with medical experience.

Best wishes,
Roy Hunter

Joshua Johnston said:

I would talk to Melissa Roth, as she specializes in migraines. I took a workshop with her a while back and she taught a useful technique to quickly lower the pain of a migraine so that you can hypnotize the client. If she doesn't chime in here, I'll post again with a brief description of the technique as I remember it.

Joshua

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Permalink Reply by Jeff on February 8, 2010 at 9:11am

Buy Melissa's book, I have 2 now and they are great at twice the price. I used the migraine technique just 3 days ago and it worked great, although the girl got irretated with all the questions, she went down in pain after each set and then into trance after 15 questions!

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Permalink Reply by Roy Hunter on February 8, 2010 at 9:06pm

Melissa gave us an important warning!

Several years ago a client asked me if I had some aspirin or excedrin...and I suggested that he come back at a later date when he felt better. Since you are acting in a professional capacity, YOU are potentially liable if the client has any complications whatsoever and he/she (or the family or authorities) choose to come after you.

Although I've had a number of client through the years tell me AFTER a session that a headache disappeared (when I had no previous knowledge of the headache), it is a huge risk to knowingly hypnotize a client who complains of a headache unless you have the medical referral.

Roy Hunter

Melissa J. Roth said:

One more thought.........NEVER, EVER give a client ANY medication, over-the-counter, prescription, herbal, vitamin, etc. You can give them a cup of water to take their own meds but you NEVER, NEVER, NEVER give them anything else. You are opening yourself to a manslaughter charge if something happens to them regardless of whether you were at fault or not. And, migraines can be fatal. They are not just bad headaches.

Melissa J. Roth said:

Thank you Roy and Joshua for your kind words. You cannot relax a person who is in a full blown migraine. And, rapid inductions do not work either. The pain is so intense it creates its own focus and own trance. You must first relieve some of the pain before you can get the client into trance. I use a waking trance and do a technique called The Word Game to reduce the pain to the level of a bad headache instead of the over the top pain of a migraine. It takes about 5 minutes. Basically, you want to use the limitations fo the conscious mind and transform the pain sensations into words. The conscious mind can no longer recognize the sensations as misery and suffering. That causes a big drop in pain levels. Once you have the recognition of the pain to the level of a bad headache then you use a progressive relaxation to trance then redirect the blood flow to the extremities. This relieves the pressure on the brain, relieves the remaining pain sensations and serves as a vehicle to prevent future migraines. I have a $35 book specifically on how to relieve and prevent migraines. It works like a machine.

Roy Hunter said:

At the mid-America hypnosis conference in Chicago in October of 2009, Melissa had a booth right next to mine. We got to know each other fairly well, and I was quite impressed with her sincerety and knowledge of hypnosis.

If she has some info regarding migraines, there is a good probability that it is very much worth listening to...especially since she has a background combining hypnotherapy with medical experience.

Best wishes,
Roy Hunter

Joshua Johnston said:

I would talk to Melissa Roth, as she specializes in migraines. I took a workshop with her a while back and she taught a useful technique to quickly lower the pain of a migraine so that you can hypnotize the client. If she doesn't chime in here, I'll post again with a brief description of the technique as I remember it.

Joshua

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Permalink Reply by Melissa J. Roth on February 9, 2010 at 4:56pm

I"m so glad to know you are having great results with my techniques. Some clients do get irritated--which is a good indicator of the emotional baggage attached to their migraines. But, when they get relief they usually get over being irritated.

Jeff said:

Buy Melissa's book, I have 2 now and they are great at twice the price. I used the migraine technique just 3 days ago and it worked great, although the girl got irretated with all the questions, she went down in pain after each set and then into trance after 15 questions!

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Permalink Reply by Dave Rife, 32* KSA, CHt on February 9, 2010 at 6:54pm

Here are my thoughts: In the U.S., a referral would certainly be the way to go, IF the client was being seen by a medical doctor for the problem. If not, you could certainly SUGGEST the client go and then get the referral, but after all, the client came TO YOU, correct? He's already primed for success, and your talk with him should cement that. Now for the induction (all things being equal): I would go with a fixation technique, taking into account all the usual precautions for headache sufferers. The fixation technique requires no work on the client's part, helps him/her to relax, and the client of course doesn't realize they are hypnotised. The rest is up to you, the hypnotist. In my opinion, you may have already programmed him for failure, but there is still a chance to recover if done right. And, should you indeed recover- you've got a walking billboard for life! Good Luck!

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Permalink Reply by Roy Hunter on February 9, 2010 at 8:24pm

Some years back one my family members had a friend who THOUGHT he was suffering from a migraine headache. The pain got real bad so he went to his doctor...and had emergency surgery for internal bleeding. The result would have been fatal had he gone to a hypnotist instead of his doctor.

Do you want to take the legal (and financial) risk of treating someone for headaches in case of the unlikely event that there is a more serious cause of the pain?

I rest my case.

Roy Hunter

Dave Rife, 32* KSA, CHt said:

Here are my thoughts: In the U.S., a referral would certainly be the way to go, IF the client was being seen by a medical doctor for the problem. If not, you could certainly SUGGEST the client go and then get the referral, but after all, the client came TO YOU, correct? He's already primed for success, and your talk with him should cement that. Now for the induction (all things being equal): I would go with a fixation technique, taking into account all the usual precautions for headache sufferers. The fixation technique requires no work on the client's part, helps him/her to relax, and the client of course doesn't realize they are hypnotised. The rest is up to you, the hypnotist. In my opinion, you may have already programmed him for failure, but there is still a chance to recover if done right. And, should you indeed recover- you've got a walking billboard for life! Good Luck!

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