Myths about the Unconscious Mind

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Permalink Reply by Michael Zappellini on January 16, 2010 at 12:52pm

Hi Walt and Adrian,
I couldn't agree more with you Adrian.

Cheers
Michael

Adrian Tannock said:

To me it's simply a reification, so I think the myth is that the "unconscious mind" exists at all.

Cheers,

Adrian

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Permalink Reply by Graham Old on January 16, 2010 at 1:10pm

That it exists?

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Permalink Reply by Graham Old on January 16, 2010 at 3:05pm

Saying that there is such a thing as "the unconscious mind" is very different to saying that some parts of the brain sometimes work outside of our conscious awareness.

Ian Jay said:

If there is no 'unconscious' part of the mind (mind=brain), where do we place the actions and reactions taking place in the amigdala and the RAS? These are not conscious .....

Ian

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on January 16, 2010 at 3:37pm

From a model standpoint, the unconscious mind represents the part of the mind we are not consciously aware of. When constructing my model of the mind, the term unconscious mind as well as the term conscious mind, did not accurately describe what exists, or what it does.

I found the judgmental mind (our decision making/moral compass/watchdog center) was aware in both conscious and unconscious states. The reactive mind is also always ready to keep us alive and react accordingly, while the analytical mind seems to be the only one that requires what we consider consciousness to operate.

So the most outstanding myth would not be if the unconscious mind exists, but rather, that the unconscious mind is a mind unto itself instead of a conglomeration of the other minds that are aware and functioning at the time.

HUH?
John

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Permalink Reply by Paul Dennehy (Paul Dee) on January 16, 2010 at 4:44pm

Which are consciously , unaware....???



Graham Old said:

Saying that there is such a thing as "the unconscious mind" is very different to saying that some parts of the brain sometimes work outside of our conscious awareness.

Ian Jay said:

If there is no 'unconscious' part of the mind (mind=brain), where do we place the actions and reactions taking place in the amigdala and the RAS? These are not conscious .....

Ian

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Permalink Reply by Paul Dennehy (Paul Dee) on January 16, 2010 at 4:54pm

I'm in two minds about this LOL! Conscious or subconscious! They both exist and function as nature intended. Create new names or them if you wish. Conscious mind deals with NOW! subconscious/unconscious mind stores, and remembes everything, 'before NOW.'

John Cleesattel said:

From a model standpoint, the unconscious mind represents the part of the mind we are not consciously aware of. When constructing my model of the mind, the term unconscious mind as well as the term conscious mind, did not accurately describe what exists, or what it does.

I found the judgmental mind (our decision making/moral compass/watchdog center) was aware in both conscious and unconscious states. The reactive mind is also always ready to keep us alive and react accordingly, while the analytical mind seems to be the only one that requires what we consider consciousness to operate.

So the most outstanding myth would not be if the unconscious mind exists, but rather, that the unconscious mind is a mind unto itself instead of a conglomeration of the other minds that are aware and functioning at the time.

HUH?
John

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Permalink Reply by Paul Dennehy (Paul Dee) on January 16, 2010 at 5:15pm

May I respectively suggest that your 'judgemental mind' is in fact the conscious mind. Your own subconscious mind is attempting , in its efforts to protect you, contriving to introduce a resistance.i.e. the judgemental mind.


oJohn Cleesattel said:

From a model standpoint, the unconscious mind represents the part of the mind we are not consciously aware of. When constructing my model of the mind, the term unconscious mind as well as the term conscious mind, did not accurately describe what exists, or what it does.

I found the judgmental mind (our decision making/moral compass/watchdog center) was aware in both conscious and unconscious states. The reactive mind is also always ready to keep us alive and react accordingly, while the analytical mind seems to be the only one that requires what we consider consciousness to operate.

So the most outstanding myth would not be if the unconscious mind exists, but rather, that the unconscious mind is a mind unto itself instead of a conglomeration of the other minds that are aware and functioning at the time.

HUH?
John

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Permalink Reply by Paul Dennehy (Paul Dee) on January 16, 2010 at 5:22pm

I'm happy to answer any questions.

Paul Dee

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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on January 16, 2010 at 6:51pm

"The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it."
— Terry Pratchett

Walt, Adrian, Ian, John, et al,

I was under the impression that the mind was a metaphor.

I think that the neuroanatomists who believe that the mind is function of the brain are blinded by their theology. Organ transplant recipients often take on tastes and desires of the organ donor which suggests at least to me the brain is not neccessary for consciousness...

I think, thinking is overrated and strive to trust my gut -

The great news is myths can heal as well as harm and we can use the mind and brain as models for helping our clients help themseves.


Michael E.
"Yesterday's story is
Today's truth is
Tomorrow's myth."
— Amanda Yates

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on January 16, 2010 at 7:54pm

That's nice and simple Paul, may it serve you as well as mine has served me :)

John

Paul Dennehy (Paul Dee) said:

I'm in two minds about this LOL! Conscious or subconscious! They both exist and function as nature intended. Create new names or them if you wish. Conscious mind deals with NOW! subconscious/unconscious mind stores, and remembes everything, 'before NOW.'

John Cleesattel said:

From a model standpoint, the unconscious mind represents the part of the mind we are not consciously aware of. When constructing my model of the mind, the term unconscious mind as well as the term conscious mind, did not accurately describe what exists, or what it does.

I found the judgmental mind (our decision making/moral compass/watchdog center) was aware in both conscious and unconscious states. The reactive mind is also always ready to keep us alive and react accordingly, while the analytical mind seems to be the only one that requires what we consider consciousness to operate.

So the most outstanding myth would not be if the unconscious mind exists, but rather, that the unconscious mind is a mind unto itself instead of a conglomeration of the other minds that are aware and functioning at the time.

HUH?
John

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on January 16, 2010 at 8:01pm

The subconscious is consciously contriving to introduce resistance...uh huh... Good luck with that! ROFLMAO!!!!

John



Paul Dennehy (Paul Dee) said:

May I respectively suggest that your 'judgemental mind' is in fact the conscious mind. Your own subconscious mind is attempting , in its efforts to protect you, contriving to introduce a resistance.i.e. the judgemental mind.


oJohn Cleesattel said:

From a model standpoint, the unconscious mind represents the part of the mind we are not consciously aware of. When constructing my model of the mind, the term unconscious mind as well as the term conscious mind, did not accurately describe what exists, or what it does.

I found the judgmental mind (our decision making/moral compass/watchdog center) was aware in both conscious and unconscious states. The reactive mind is also always ready to keep us alive and react accordingly, while the analytical mind seems to be the only one that requires what we consider consciousness to operate.

So the most outstanding myth would not be if the unconscious mind exists, but rather, that the unconscious mind is a mind unto itself instead of a conglomeration of the other minds that are aware and functioning at the time.

HUH?
John

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on January 16, 2010 at 8:07pm

Okay, I have one. Irrational fears. Specifically, a fear of heights. Manifests itself even when going on freeway overpasses.

Name that mind!
1. The mind that provides the fear feeling
2. The mind that knows there is no danger
3. The mind that hates that we know there is no danger but that we are still afraid anyway and berates us because of it.


Or: Have you ever known what the right thing to do was...yet did something else? How does that fit with your conscious/unconscious scenario?

Cheers
John

Reply by Paul Dennehy (Paul Dee) 2 hours ago
I'm happy to answer any questions.

Paul Dee

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