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Myths about the Unconscious Mind
What we believe about the mind depends on the model we hold. So in some sense whatever we believe about the unconscious mind could be considered a myth.
However, I'm sure that there are some myths about the unconscious mind that are not supported by reasonable models.
What's the most outstanding, unfounded, myth about the unconscious mind that you've come across? Held by the general public or hypnotists.
However, I'm sure that there are some myths about the unconscious mind that are not supported by reasonable models.
What's the most outstanding, unfounded, myth about the unconscious mind that you've come across? Held by the general public or hypnotists.
Tags: mind, model, myth, unconscious
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Permalink Reply by Jane Bregazzi on -
Errm - that's what I was saying I was just assuming that you can't be harmed by what someone says to the subC is a myth that I have come accross. And that you can't be made to do something against your will is a huge myth that is banded about by hypnotherapists a lot!
Jane
Michael Ellner said:Hi Jane,
Perhaps it's time to think outside of the box: "Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never harm me" is utter nonsense. Children often suffer a lifetime of pain because their subconcious mind was told they were not smart, tall, short, thin, or good enough.
If you pay attention to your clients you might notice that they are often doing things that they really don't want to do -- They feel compelled to drug, over-eat, or whatever -- When the unconscious is in conflict with the will, the unconscious always rules!
Just something to think about...
Warmest regards and welcome to hypnothoughts.
Michael E.
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Permalink Reply by Walt Potter on
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Jane,
I agree! I've heard that you can't make someone do something against their will also. I have seen cases where people are led astray in real life without hypnosis. I believe that "make" is a fuzzy word here.
Do hypnotists tell their hypnosis partners little white lies? For their own benefit? Do trainers tell little white lies?
Walt
Jane Bregazzi said:Errm - that's what I was saying I was just assuming that you can't be harmed by what someone says to the subC is a myth that I have come accross. And that you can't be made to do something against your will is a huge myth that is banded about by hypnotherapists a lot!
Jane
Michael Ellner said:Hi Jane,
Perhaps it's time to think outside of the box: "Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never harm me" is utter nonsense. Children often suffer a lifetime of pain because their subconcious mind was told they were not smart, tall, short, thin, or good enough.
If you pay attention to your clients you might notice that they are often doing things that they really don't want to do -- They feel compelled to drug, over-eat, or whatever -- When the unconscious is in conflict with the will, the unconscious always rules!
Just something to think about...
Warmest regards and welcome to hypnothoughts.
Michael E.
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Permalink Reply by Paul Dennehy (Paul Dee) on -
Hi Jane, You see it. It's amazing how it appears invisible.
Jane Bregazzi said:That you can't be harmed by what someone says to your subconscious mind.
That you can't be made to do anything against your will
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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on -
My Bad - Jane.
=^..^=
Please forgive me-
Jane Bregazzi said:Errm - that's what I was saying I was just assuming that you can't be harmed by what someone says to the subC is a myth that I have come accross. And that you can't be made to do something against your will is a huge myth that is banded about by hypnotherapists a lot!
Jane
Michael Ellner said:Hi Jane,
Perhaps it's time to think outside of the box: "Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never harm me" is utter nonsense. Children often suffer a lifetime of pain because their subconcious mind was told they were not smart, tall, short, thin, or good enough.
If you pay attention to your clients you might notice that they are often doing things that they really don't want to do -- They feel compelled to drug, over-eat, or whatever -- When the unconscious is in conflict with the will, the unconscious always rules!
Just something to think about...
Warmest regards and welcome to hypnothoughts.
Michael E.
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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on -
Umm... that would be a yes. It would seem that if the critical factor was bypassed, and there was still selective thinking, there would be another mind at work here....but that would be judgmental wouldn't it ;)
Its no joke.
John
Ian Jay said:
But have you ever critically examined it?
Think about it and then explain to me how - if the critical factor is bypassed - how can there be selective thinking? For if the critical factor was bypassed, we would call it brain washing, or mind control.
Its a joke! And don't tell me it's a metaphor!!!
Answers on a postcard to ....
Ian
EXAMPLE:
The U.S. government defines hypnosis as having two parts:
(1) the bypass of the critical factor, and (2) the establishment of acceptable selective thinking.
This seems to be a useful and accurate definition of hypnosis.
This "bypass of the critical factor" simply means the release of limiting beliefs. For example, the use of hypnosis for anesthesia has been accepted by the American Medical Association since 1958. It is well established to be a fact that hypnosis is useful for creating anesthesia. However, if you have the limiting belief that the mind cannot create a powerful anesthesia, you will be unable to do so. However, in hypnosis, this limiting belief can be bypassed, and hypnotic anesthesia can be quickly created. "The establishment of acceptable selective thinking," the second part of the definition, refers to the process of guiding someone into hypnosis by using a hypnotic induction. The establishment of selective thinking creates the mental environment or state of mind that enables you to reject limiting beliefs (that you picked up by living in our society), so that you can accept new more empowering ones.
http://www.banyanhypnosiscenter.com/what-is-hypnosis.htm
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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on
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Ah, but we well understand irony. Especially of having done the critical examination of hypnosis and trance and amid all the lamenting about "this isn't true", or "that isn't true", then finding out how few really want the actual results.
Ironically, it doesn't get much better than that... LOL
John
Ian Jay said:Re: Joke
Damn it, I keep forgetting that irony is something that never caught on in our ex-colonies!
:-)
Ian
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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on
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I too was referring to the question about myths, by bringing out the reticence of people to find out the truth, and noting the similarity of the irony. I also won't go into anything other than that. I do not wish to challenge your challenge considering the communication issues that we share. So I will just flush and be over it ;)
John
Ian Jay said:John
Understand that I was responding to Walt's question about myths. {CONTEXT} That Elman's definition of hypnosis is flawed (read my explanation to why), is not the joke. That this definition, to the present day, passes down through training course to training course is, in fact, sad.
So sad, its a joke! {IRONY}
Now, I don't want to spend time explaining semiotics and the mechanism of syntax, so can we return to the point? If you wish to challenge my challenge, please get on it with it. (I am tempted to use that wonderful American expression here - sh*t or get off the pot - but will refrain)
With empathy and eternal patience...
Ian
John Cleesattel said:Ah, but we well understand irony. Especially of having done the critical examination of hypnosis and trance and amid all the lamenting about "this isn't true", or "that isn't true", then finding out how few really want the actual results.
Ironically, it doesn't get much better than that... LOL John Ian Jay said:Re: Joke
Damn it, I keep forgetting that irony is something that never caught on in our ex-colonies! :-) Ian
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Permalink Reply by AJ on -
Elman writes, "...hypnosis is not obtained until selective thinking is firmly established." He continues, "Selective thinking is whatever you believe wholeheartedly," and explains further, "Selective thinking vanishes not only when doubt enters the picture but when fear does."
David Elman Hypnotherapy ©1964
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