No fail speed trance protocol

Just watch last week with a friend that has the Igor's stage hypnosis trainings with Dan

And they are great

Any way when igor teach speed trance and the hypnoty didn't go into trance he just use speed trance fractionation

Open your eyes tell me how do you feel - SLEEP [deepeners]

And again if not yet in trance open your eyes look at me and SLEEP [deepeners]

As many time that needed

It makes you safer and more confident on speed trance

And it work excellent

If you have any fear to speed trance just try it and you will be 10 times better

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Permalink Reply by John B. Lee IV on February 27, 2011 at 6:16am

I'm with you, fractionation has become a HUGE part of my practical efforts. Eye closure makes it easier, but any TDS/ break state or focus change pattern does this as well.

I.e...h: What childhood gift made you feel excited when you opened this gift?

s: (tds) probably my first bike

h: great, this gift made you feel excited... where did you go for the first ride?

s:(tds) Place X

h: if you could change the color of the bike to a color that would make you feel more excited, what color would that be?(tds) Or is it already the perfect color that makes you feel the most excited?

s;(tds) I would have liked blue

h.so, opening this gift, seeing a blue bike, feeling extremely excited and happy now, where would you ride it to make you feel completely happy...

you get the point, fractionation is one of those things that we all know as a deepener and is in everyone's tool box. It should be in everyone's toolbox, bag of tricks, repertoire, etc... lets be honest, it is one of the most accessible and potentially potent of all techniques. You don't have to confuse, shock or break patterns (which I am beginning to think are all of the same mechanism), you don't have to gain massive compliance or build rapport. You just have to make people think, remember or experience.

it is the heart of conversational revivification...if you could feel x where would you feel it... here... how strong does it feel...this strong... and so on

If I could only know one hypnotic concept, that may be it. The Igor set-up is quite slick, If not yet in trance... good stuff

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Permalink Reply by Leshem Yosef on February 27, 2011 at 7:12am

Yes John absolutely

And I was thinking even on a Simple Street or even clinic speed trance[ if you have this anxiety that you will fail so don't worry you can fix it by continue striking again and again]

You do your SLEEP thing and your hypnoty don't go down to trance

Then simply ask him to open his eyes and ask how do you feel and BOOM do your SLEEP again and etc....

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on February 27, 2011 at 7:13am

John,

I have found that when ever we focus our attention, our peripheral awareness is amplified to help keep us safe from threats (since we can only focus our attention on one thing at a time). I believe it is this peripheral awareness, and its capacity to enable us to automatically react to outside input, without the involvement of the intellect, is we call trance, or a hypnotic state.

A state of heightened awareness (sound familiar?). Hypnosis takes advantage of this capacity to automatically react by realizing that the outside input that we automatically react to...can be in the form of a suggestion. The only thing standing in the way, is what I call "the judgmental mind" (superconscious?). Our behavior and decision making center. So, during hypnosis, we will automatically react to outside input....as long we understand how to...and as long as there is no reason not to.

This hypnotic state, or trance if you will, is the result of the focused attention, and is not the focused attention itself. It has nothing to do with eye closure, relaxing, or sleeping. We respond to those because we know how to and have no reason not to.

I have some videos on my page here that you might find interesting ;)

John

John B. Lee IV said:

I'm with you, fractionation has become a HUGE part of my practical efforts. Eye closure makes it easier, but any TDS/ break state or focus change pattern does this as well.

I.e...h: What childhood gift made you feel excited when you opened this gift?

       s: (tds) probably my first bike

       h: great, this gift made you feel excited... where did you go for the first ride?

        s:(tds) Place X

        h: if you could change the color of the bike to a color that would make you feel more excited, what color would that be?(tds) Or is it already the perfect color that makes you feel the most excited?

         s;(tds) I would have liked blue

         h.so, opening this gift, seeing a blue bike, feeling extremely excited and happy now, where would you ride it to make you feel completely happy...

you get the point, fractionation is one of those things that we all know as a deepener and is in everyone's tool box. It should be in everyone's toolbox, bag of tricks, repertoire, etc... lets be honest, it is one of the most accessible and potentially potent of all techniques. You don't have to confuse, shock or break patterns (which I am beginning to think are all of the same mechanism), you don't have to gain massive compliance or build rapport. You just have to make people think, remember or experience.

it is the heart of conversational revivification...if you could feel x where would you feel it... here... how strong does it feel...this strong... and so on

If I could only know one hypnotic concept, that may be it. The Igor set-up is quite slick, If not yet in trance... good stuff

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Permalink Reply by Leshem Yosef on February 27, 2011 at 7:24am

John

I was thinking in the beginning that you are talking to me and I said to my self what is this guy talking about I already have on my PC all the clips he ever published -LOL

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Permalink Reply by John B. Lee IV on February 27, 2011 at 8:06am

Well, that just about sums it up doesn't it? It's interesting, I've caught myself telling people while they have some form of eye focus that they may notice a change in their focus.

The spot they are looking at will blur and I (off to the side) will become much more clear in their peripheral view and as this happens their mind will open...

And then there are all the ways I beat around that particular bush in pre-talks and explainations... all the while, not seeing the whole picture myself.

Thanks for the concision on these 'hypnosis mechanics' John. Just curious, do you moonlight as a "product placement specialist" in Movies?

John Cleesattel said:

John,

I have found that when ever we focus our attention, our peripheral awareness is amplified to help keep us safe from threats (since we can only focus our attention on one thing at a time). I believe it is this peripheral awareness, and its capacity to enable us to automatically react to outside input, without the involvement of the intellect, is we call trance, or a hypnotic state.

A state of heightened awareness (sound familiar?). Hypnosis takes advantage of this capacity to automatically react by realizing that the outside input that we automatically react to...can be in the form of a suggestion. The only thing standing in the way, is what I call "the judgmental mind" (superconscious?). Our behavior and decision making center. So, during hypnosis, we will automatically react to outside input....as long we understand how to...and as long as there is no reason not to.

This hypnotic state, or trance if you will, is the result of the focused attention, and is not the focused attention itself. It has nothing to do with eye closure, relaxing, or sleeping. We respond to those because we know how to and have no reason not to.

I have some videos on my page here that you might find interesting ;)

John

John B. Lee IV said:

I'm with you, fractionation has become a HUGE part of my practical efforts. Eye closure makes it easier, but any TDS/ break state or focus change pattern does this as well.

I.e...h: What childhood gift made you feel excited when you opened this gift?

       s: (tds) probably my first bike

       h: great, this gift made you feel excited... where did you go for the first ride?

        s:(tds) Place X

        h: if you could change the color of the bike to a color that would make you feel more excited, what color would that be?(tds) Or is it already the perfect color that makes you feel the most excited?

         s;(tds) I would have liked blue

         h.so, opening this gift, seeing a blue bike, feeling extremely excited and happy now, where would you ride it to make you feel completely happy...

you get the point, fractionation is one of those things that we all know as a deepener and is in everyone's tool box. It should be in everyone's toolbox, bag of tricks, repertoire, etc... lets be honest, it is one of the most accessible and potentially potent of all techniques. You don't have to confuse, shock or break patterns (which I am beginning to think are all of the same mechanism), you don't have to gain massive compliance or build rapport. You just have to make people think, remember or experience.

it is the heart of conversational revivification...if you could feel x where would you feel it... here... how strong does it feel...this strong... and so on

If I could only know one hypnotic concept, that may be it. The Igor set-up is quite slick, If not yet in trance... good stuff

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on February 27, 2011 at 9:00am

Nope. I just try to provide an optional path of clarity amid the din of confusion ;)

John

John B. Lee IV said:

Thanks for the concision on these 'hypnosis mechanics' John. Just curious, do you moonlight as a "product placement specialist" in Movies?

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Permalink Reply by Ricky Strode on February 27, 2011 at 10:20am

Actually we are always doing more than one thing at a time, lol. Even if you are reading, that is something that is more than one task and is generalized as being what we call the process of reading. George Miller, I think that is his name did a study on this, which is commonly referred to as the 7+ or - pieces of information, however there are also plenty of little stipulations that go along with how accurate that statement is. Sure, if you wanted to get into what people do in miliseconds or less, then you would be completly correct, but people also have what some call a lag, which is somewhere between .25-3 seconds (this is associated with the access consciousness study). So, that would not be very useful.

So, if you have people do several things which are over 7 up to nine actions, which most inductions do (i.e. look (process one) at something and keep you eyes there (process two) I want you to pay close attenion to what I am about to say (process three) I want you to put you hand out like this (process 4) and push up against it (process 5) I am going to push back, but first I will count to three and then start pushing (process 6) as I count from 1 to 3, I want you to develop a heaviness in your eyes, almost as if you have been up to late, ok (process 7), 1, 2,3 push (process 8), I want you to begin to realize just how heavy you're eyes are (process 9) I sure pretty much everyone knows this one, so this is where I stop). However, if this were the only way then (I do not remember the actual name, lol) the pretend like you can't open your eyes induction would not work (which is closer to about 5 processes).

However, the basic idea you have is useful. By the way you do not need focused attention to hypnotize anyone. However, it does make things much easier. For instance, people can repond to any stimulus around them while doing normal activities without paying any attention to it all and it will still have an effect upon them. Yes, I know they are still paying attetion to something, but with a different context and possibly not even focused or even constantly changing. You can also have "heightened awareness" without any outside stimulus, so I do not think that would have qualified as trance, but more as a by product of trance. Trance or hypnosis is only a shift in consciousness that may or may not have all the other phenomena, but it usually has a large percentage of them as a by product of that shift.

Either way I am not saying you are wrong, but I am saying that is a pretty narrow idea. I had to do it, lol. I hope you will understand that.

Your In-Trance To Success,

Ricky W. Strode

John Cleesattel said:

John,

I have found that when ever we focus our attention, our peripheral awareness is amplified to help keep us safe from threats (since we can only focus our attention on one thing at a time). I believe it is this peripheral awareness, and its capacity to enable us to automatically react to outside input, without the involvement of the intellect, is we call trance, or a hypnotic state.

A state of heightened awareness (sound familiar?). Hypnosis takes advantage of this capacity to automatically react by realizing that the outside input that we automatically react to...can be in the form of a suggestion. The only thing standing in the way, is what I call "the judgmental mind" (superconscious?). Our behavior and decision making center. So, during hypnosis, we will automatically react to outside input....as long we understand how to...and as long as there is no reason not to.

This hypnotic state, or trance if you will, is the result of the focused attention, and is not the focused attention itself. It has nothing to do with eye closure, relaxing, or sleeping. We respond to those because we know how to and have no reason not to.

I have some videos on my page here that you might find interesting ;)

John

John B. Lee IV said:

I'm with you, fractionation has become a HUGE part of my practical efforts. Eye closure makes it easier, but any TDS/ break state or focus change pattern does this as well.

I.e...h: What childhood gift made you feel excited when you opened this gift?

       s: (tds) probably my first bike

       h: great, this gift made you feel excited... where did you go for the first ride?

        s:(tds) Place X

        h: if you could change the color of the bike to a color that would make you feel more excited, what color would that be?(tds) Or is it already the perfect color that makes you feel the most excited?

         s;(tds) I would have liked blue

         h.so, opening this gift, seeing a blue bike, feeling extremely excited and happy now, where would you ride it to make you feel completely happy...

you get the point, fractionation is one of those things that we all know as a deepener and is in everyone's tool box. It should be in everyone's toolbox, bag of tricks, repertoire, etc... lets be honest, it is one of the most accessible and potentially potent of all techniques. You don't have to confuse, shock or break patterns (which I am beginning to think are all of the same mechanism), you don't have to gain massive compliance or build rapport. You just have to make people think, remember or experience.

it is the heart of conversational revivification...if you could feel x where would you feel it... here... how strong does it feel...this strong... and so on

If I could only know one hypnotic concept, that may be it. The Igor set-up is quite slick, If not yet in trance... good stuff

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Permalink Reply by Stephanie Conkle on February 27, 2011 at 1:53pm

John,

That is so interesting, the remark about peripheral vision and trance, because I swear I had that same thought this past week. I was thinking of something that happened to me a long time ago. The trance state literally saved my life once. I was driving to work, on a route I took daily for years, and not quite awake--yet intensely focused on whatever I was thinking about in my imagination. (This was years before I studied hypnosis.)

I pulled up to a stop sign and braked as always. There was nobody else at the 4 way stop, except a huge red truck coming up to the right as I was going straight on across. Well, this guy came barreling down fast and didn't even think to slow down for the stop sign as he ran it the moment I was crossing the mid-point of the intersection. I reacted without thinking. I swerved that wheel so fast and went around that truck automatically. It was so close that I wouldn't be surprised if the paint on my car lightly touched his fender. My peripheral vision was sharp and awake, and my subconscious took care of me.

It was so automatic that I told people my guardian angel saved my life, because I could not explain what happened. I did not have a conscious thought to move that wheel. My arms and feet moved like the wind. I knew that had I paused even one second to think how to turn the wheel, I would have been in a horrific car wreck.

John Cleesattel said:

John,

I have found that when ever we focus our attention, our peripheral awareness is amplified to help keep us safe from threats (since we can only focus our attention on one thing at a time). I believe it is this peripheral awareness, and its capacity to enable us to automatically react to outside input, without the involvement of the intellect, is we call trance, or a hypnotic state.

A state of heightened awareness (sound familiar?). Hypnosis takes advantage of this capacity to automatically react by realizing that the outside input that we automatically react to...can be in the form of a suggestion. The only thing standing in the way, is what I call "the judgmental mind" (superconscious?). Our behavior and decision making center. So, during hypnosis, we will automatically react to outside input....as long we understand how to...and as long as there is no reason not to.

This hypnotic state, or trance if you will, is the result of the focused attention, and is not the focused attention itself. It has nothing to do with eye closure, relaxing, or sleeping. We respond to those because we know how to and have no reason not to.

I have some videos on my page here that you might find interesting ;)

John

John B. Lee IV said:

I'm with you, fractionation has become a HUGE part of my practical efforts. Eye closure makes it easier, but any TDS/ break state or focus change pattern does this as well.

I.e...h: What childhood gift made you feel excited when you opened this gift?

       s: (tds) probably my first bike

       h: great, this gift made you feel excited... where did you go for the first ride?

        s:(tds) Place X

        h: if you could change the color of the bike to a color that would make you feel more excited, what color would that be?(tds) Or is it already the perfect color that makes you feel the most excited?

         s;(tds) I would have liked blue

         h.so, opening this gift, seeing a blue bike, feeling extremely excited and happy now, where would you ride it to make you feel completely happy...

you get the point, fractionation is one of those things that we all know as a deepener and is in everyone's tool box. It should be in everyone's toolbox, bag of tricks, repertoire, etc... lets be honest, it is one of the most accessible and potentially potent of all techniques. You don't have to confuse, shock or break patterns (which I am beginning to think are all of the same mechanism), you don't have to gain massive compliance or build rapport. You just have to make people think, remember or experience.

it is the heart of conversational revivification...if you could feel x where would you feel it... here... how strong does it feel...this strong... and so on

If I could only know one hypnotic concept, that may be it. The Igor set-up is quite slick, If not yet in trance... good stuff

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on February 27, 2011 at 2:31pm

Ricky,

Of course we are doing more than one thing at a time, its just our attention can only be focused on one thing at a time. You can jump focus from thing to thing very rapidly, but it is still one thing at a time. The rest you are just automatically reacting to, like you learned how to do when you "got used to it", "got the hang of it", "learned the ropes", etc. ( and using what I define as a trance state to do it so you can focus your attention on something else while you do it.). That is the 7+ limitation you refer to, how many concurrent activities you can jump into and out of with your attention and still keep track of what is going on in each. Trance is how we are able to multitask at all, considering the limitations we have with focusing attention. When you can read one paragraph and write a different paragraph simultaneously, then I will be open to more opinions on it ;)

If interested in learning more, you can check out my ebook "The Nature of Trance" on my website, its all spelled out in there along with the supportive data from which the conclusions were drawn.

I welcome conjecture. My research will stand up to it.

Narrow is as narrow does (grin)

John

ricky strode said:

Actually we are always doing more than one thing at a time, lol. Even if you are reading, that is something that is more than one task and is generalized as being what we call the process of reading. George Miller, I think that is his name did a study on this, which is commonly referred to as the 7+ or - pieces of information, however there are also plenty of little stipulations that go along with how accurate that statement is. Sure, if you wanted to get into what people do in miliseconds or less, then you would be completly correct, but people also have what some call a lag, which is somewhere between .25-3 seconds (this is associated with the access consciousness study). So, that would not be very useful.

So, if you have people do several things which are over 7 up to nine actions, which most inductions do (i.e. look (process one) at something and keep you eyes there (process two) I want you to pay close attenion to what I am about to say (process three) I want you to put you hand out like this (process 4) and push up against it (process 5) I am going to push back, but first I will count to three and then start pushing (process 6) as I count from 1 to 3, I want you to develop a heaviness in your eyes, almost as if you have been up to late, ok (process 7), 1, 2,3 push (process 8), I want you to begin to realize just how heavy you're eyes are (process 9) I sure pretty much everyone knows this one, so this is where I stop). However, if this were the only way then (I do not remember the actual name, lol) the pretend like you can't open your eyes induction would not work (which is closer to about 5 processes).

However, the basic idea you have is useful. By the way you do not need focused attention to hypnotize anyone. However, it does make things much easier. For instance, people can repond to any stimulus around them while doing normal activities without paying any attention to it all and it will still have an effect upon them. Yes, I know they are still paying attetion to something, but with a different context and possibly not even focused or even constantly changing. You can also have "heightened awareness" without any outside stimulus, so I do not think that would have qualified as trance, but more as a by product of trance. Trance or hypnosis is only a shift in consciousness that may or may not have all the other phenomena, but it usually has a large percentage of them as a by product of that shift.

Either way I am not saying you are wrong, but I am saying that is a pretty narrow idea. I had to do it, lol. I hope you will understand that.

Your In-Trance To Success,

Ricky W. Strode

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on February 27, 2011 at 3:45pm

Stephanie,

The misunderstanding some people have is probably what I refer to as trance. Most people associate trance with the Hollywood version of being mindlessly blotto. With the majority of trance work I do being open-eyed and fully interactive with the subject, I had no choice but to redefine in a more accurate way. What you did with your car was indeed a trance state as I define it. For me, it is that capability to automatically react without the involvement of the intellect that is the trance footprint.

John

Stephanie Conkle said:

John,

That is so interesting, the remark about peripheral vision and trance, because I swear I had that same thought this past week. I was thinking of something that happened to me a long time ago. The trance state literally saved my life once. I was driving to work, on a route I took daily for years, and not quite awake--yet intensely focused on whatever I was thinking about in my imagination. (This was years before I studied hypnosis.)

I pulled up to a stop sign and braked as always. There was nobody else at the 4 way stop, except a huge red truck coming up to the right as I was going straight on across. Well, this guy came barreling down fast and didn't even think to slow down for the stop sign as he ran it the moment I was crossing the mid-point of the intersection. I reacted without thinking. I swerved that wheel so fast and went around that truck automatically. It was so close that I wouldn't be surprised if the paint on my car lightly touched his fender. My peripheral vision was sharp and awake, and my subconscious took care of me.

It was so automatic that I told people my guardian angel saved my life, because I could not explain what happened. I did not have a conscious thought to move that wheel. My arms and feet moved like the wind. I knew that had I paused even one second to think how to turn the wheel, I would have been in a horrific car wreck.