Painful Memories and Suffering

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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on August 20, 2011 at 2:53am

Hi Walt --

A) Suffering is optional...

B) Trying to help clients suppress, stop or avoid painful memories is highly NOT recommended. (Is dat gud English?) 

C) I highly recommend operating on the belief that when a client is paying you to help them change THEY ARE READY TO CHANGE! --There are many models and techniques that can help people take the sting out of their painful memories - Any one of them is effective when used by a skilled hypno. You empower the techniques and tools that you use...

D) Be with your client - Breathe with your client - Listen to your client -- and trust it- feel it -- Discover that you know what to say without thinking about it and always remember that your client is bio-engineered to learn, change and grow. It's not what we say - Walt. The art is in helping your clients move into their "Self-Mastery Zone" believing, expecting, feeling and being excited about changing --  The rest is automatic...

E) As soon as you learn that you know how to decide on what tool to use without thinking about it - It will set you free...

You can do it...

Guess who...

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Permalink Reply by Walt on August 20, 2011 at 4:03am

Good Morning Michael,

 

We've got A covered.

 

Will you please illuminate B)?

 

Please tell us more about taking the sting out of memories. Teach us some more.

Thanks, Walt

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Permalink Reply by Kathleen Hanover on August 20, 2011 at 5:02am

Hi Walt,

 

It's not hypnosis, so you may not be interested in hearing about it, but I love The Work of Byron Katie. The memories aren't the problem. It's her judgment and thoughts about the memories. The Work helps you examine your thoughts and let go of the thoughts that cause you pain. It's an easy-to-follow process, and everything you need to do The Work is free online at the above link. I also highly recommend Katie's book, "Loving What Is."

 

Best of luck to you and your client.

 

Kathleen

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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on August 20, 2011 at 6:49am

Your mission is to make it reasonable for her to believe that she can take the sting out of her painful memories -- You will always be aware that you had a painful experience but it does not hurt any more... Now market the benefits and advantages of moving on and letting the memories roll on by...  

Hypnosis - 

You can use any kind of imaginary dial to turn down the toxic feelings and negative emotions and turn up target emtions and feelings with the suggestion doing so will take the sting out of her painful memories.

I'd probably add a forgiveness and the healing starts when we can laugh about it thingee,,,

NLP -

You can use any number of techniques that collapse anchors like: 

The Squash - The Squish - The Ellner-Barsky: Make-A-Fist

I'd probably add a forgiveness and the healing starts when we can laugh about it thingee

Walt Potter said:

Good Morning Michael,

 

We've got A covered.

 

Will you please illuminate B)?

 

Please tell us more about taking the sting out of memories. Teach us some more.

Thanks, Walt

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Permalink Reply by Walt on August 20, 2011 at 7:14am

Hi Kathleen,

This looks very interesting. I wonder how I can use hypnosis with this process. I have some materials on changing one's belief system via nlp(hypnosis?) methods.

 

I used a process similar to this and changed how I interacted with my wife around an issue. I changed a belief! The issue vanished. I used self hypnosis to ask my SC to find a different way of understanding what some things meant. I got the answer the same day.

 

I'll check out these materials.

Thanks for these useful ideas,

Walt

 

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Permalink Reply by Jagi Egnell on August 20, 2011 at 7:47am

Hi Walt,

 

I had a client who's husband cheated on her and walked out after 25 years of marriage right before Christmas. She was in state of panic and I brought her into my office and we started with EFT. It took about 3 hours before all emotions were uncovered and then dealt with through hypnotherapy. She is now on talking terms with the woman who he cheated with as well things are okay between her husband and herself. Although he will be an ex-husband soon and she is fine with that. She felt she didn't need to drag the process longer and went through all the emotions in those two hours and was able to clear away all the negative things the affair had done to her. To her knowledge it had been going for more than two years. Hope this helps.

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Permalink Reply by Walt on August 20, 2011 at 8:10am

Thank you all,

 

@Michael, Thanks for this response, we've done the swish and will do the squash and fist to work out the emotions. There's 18 months of stuff here. I imagine that we're dealing with layers. Forgiveness work will set te stage for healing to begin.

 

@Jaqi, While I've read about EFT, I've not used it in a session. It's about time for me to do so. Teaching her the EFT skills will give her something she can take home.

 

@kathleen, I've been looking at these materials. They're giving me another point of view. I believe I can use this with hypnosis. When I've got that mapped out, I'll report back here. 

Walt

 

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Permalink Reply by Mary Winstanley on August 20, 2011 at 6:42pm

Walt,

I've had good results with using a magic eraser pen. In hypnosis, the client sorts through a pile of photographs of the issue she is working on (always get the client to establish a safe place first so she can retreat/pause if she needs to). The client doesn't need to go into the photographs as they are, just look at them, dissociated. Then give the client / get her to create a magic eraser pen (I don't know if you remember those eraser pens that came with a pack of felt pens), or she could use Tippex or one of those little mini vacuum cleaners they use to clean cars, only much, much smaller. Get the client to choose the method she is most comfortable with.

She then picks a photo she would like to work on and she uses the magic eraser or whatever method she has chosen to simply erase the negative emotions, the pain etc. Note she does not erase the photo, the memory itself, just clear the emotions that have been causing problems. Perhaps there could also be another end of the magic eraser etc that will infuse the photo with happy feelings or at least neutral feelings - as the client wishes. Continue this process through all the photos, and then have the client go back and step in to each cleared photo, feel the difference, perhaps notice new positive things etc.  Then, as Michael suggests, follow up with forgiveness work.

Hope this helps. I have used it with memories related to phobias and it worked well. I think it may well work on your client's memories, too.

Mary

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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on August 21, 2011 at 3:21am

Walt,

It really doesn't matter if it is 18 months or 18 years  -- There is no freakin reason that your client has to suffer another second!  You can release a life-time of STUFF in a single session -- 

 

@ Newly Certified Hypnotists-

It is absurd to think your client will experience RAPID healing you don't believe it is possible.

Walt Potter said:

 

@Michael,  There's 18 months of stuff here..

 

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Kathleen Hanover on August 21, 2011 at 7:21am

Good luck, Walt.  :) 

 

After you get the gist of what The Work consists of, watch these two videos to see an example of Byron Katie working with someone. 

 

The subject starts with the painful thought, "my mother doesn't listen." There's a point during The Work when Katie asks her to close her eyes and imagine how her life would look without that thought. It's kind of NLP-ish, maybe.

 

 

Later in the same conversation, the woman talks about getting frustrated and angry because her elderly mother won't get a dog for companionship. The woman believes that she "needs" her mother to get a dog in order for she herself to be happy.

 

In addition to being very illuminating, this video is hysterically funny.  :)

 

Walt Potter said:

Thank you all,

 

@Michael, Thanks for this response, we've done the swish and will do the squash and fist to work out the emotions. There's 18 months of stuff here. I imagine that we're dealing with layers. Forgiveness work will set te stage for healing to begin.

 

@Jaqi, While I've read about EFT, I've not used it in a session. It's about time for me to do so. Teaching her the EFT skills will give her something she can take home.

 

@kathleen, I've been looking at these materials. They're giving me another point of view. I believe I can use this with hypnosis. When I've got that mapped out, I'll report back here. 

Walt

 

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Permalink Reply by Kathleen Hanover on August 21, 2011 at 7:32am

Michael,

 

Walt asked why it isn't a good idea to give someone amnesia or erase memories. Could you expand on your comment? Why isn't that a good idea? Is it dangerous or unethical?

 

Thanks,
Kathleen

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on August 21, 2011 at 8:25am

Kathleen,

Its not a good idea because the memory isn't really erased, just the cognitive access to it is removed. It is akin to us "burying" a memory that is too painful for us to remember. We will still react to it on an unconscious level.

 

John

 

Kathleen Hanover said:

Michael,

 

Walt asked why it isn't a good idea to give someone amnesia or erase memories. Could you expand on your comment? Why isn't that a good idea? Is it dangerous or unethical?

 

Thanks,
Kathleen

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