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Parts Therapy... and the Judgmental mind
I was recently asked in the "fansofjohncleesattelsstopsmokingintervention" group for more about the techniques I use with when doing a managers meeting (parts therapy).
I remembered this old discussion and decided to revive it for that reason.
I have read about, and seen used, several different forms of the parts therapy technique. Since I have recently seen questions about it, I decided to provide the techniques I use, how I use them, and what I believe is actually happening. Hopefully, some will find this useful and choose to share their insights.
To me, parts therapy sets up a discussion with the Upper Management of the person. Let me explain.
I view an individual like a company. The reactive mind is production, reacts with SOPs (standard operating procedures). The analytical mind is engineering and R&D, and the judgmental mind is upper management.
There are managers for every behavior we have. They are the reason why we do things.
Upper management has but one goal, "The benefit of the Company". All other priorities are there only to support this one goal. Even punishment can be for the good of the company.
So when I do a parts therapy session, I am talking directly to the upper management of the person.
Realizing this, I act accordingly:
I only use a light trance state for parts therapy, simply to for ease of access to the imagination.
I have the client hold the meeting in a conference room and only invite the involved parties to the meeting.
Rules of the Road:
Changes to the SOPs have to be approved by upper management FIRST, or nothing changes.
You do not TELL upper management what it will do.
You present your case from the aspect of the benefit of the person.
I speak to the parts directly, acting as a consultant. I don't go through the hassle of each part generating names for themselves anymore, I found it just wasn't necessary. As well as the parts going off to work it out themselves and come up with a solution, I already know what they need to do, or stop doing.
I address the parts as "the part of Jenny that is preventing her from" etc. leaving no question as to who I am talking to and why. I have them answer the client, and give the client their purpose in what they are doing, and how it serves them to do it.
I then state my reason for the meeting, to explain that they are not acting for the benefit of the client anymore. Originally, that may have served the client well, but times have changed, conditions have changed, they have gotten older, are an adult now, etc. and that behavior is no longer providing the benefit it once was, (and is actually a punishment for them?) So, instead of continuing to do "that", I would like to ask if you would do "this" instead, so the client can live a happier, healthier, and longer life and your function will be a benefit again. Will you do that for them?
I also use parts therapy just to get answers to why the clients do what they do. Most of the time, the client themselves have no clue and find it a very interesting session.
I always end the parts therapy session by having the client thank all of the participating parts and now allow them to get back to their jobs, doing what they do best.
If you don't understand why the client does what they do, why guess? when you can find out for sure, straight from the horse's mouth.. so to speak.
Its a very useful tool.
John
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Permalink Reply by Roy Hunter on
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Now it’s time for me to jump in…
John said: “I don't talk to the sub-conscious (Sc?) it has no intellect to speak of. However, the judgmental mind, the multifaceted management system of "who we are" has no problem "providing their purpose" to the individual.”
Charles Tebbetts was the pioneer of parts therapy, and I learned it from him in 1983. Since then I’ve practiced it for 27 years and taught it for 22 years…and wrote HYPNOSIS FOR INNER CONFLICT RESOLUTION: INTRODUCING PARTS THERAPY (2005, Crown House Publishing). In other words, my comments come from years of experience...and I do speak to the subconscious during parts therapy. Actually, I speak to various parts of the subconscious.
Our “parts” are what the late Tebbetts called “ego parts” – or aspects of the subconscious. According to other experts of variations of parts therapy, such as Gordon Emmerson (author of EGO STATE THERAPY), ALL of us are influenced by anywhere from five to fifteen “ego states” (or parts) in any given calendar week.
Client centered parts therapy is comparable to mediation, except that we are mediating between various parts of the subconscious rather than between different people. Also, as I mentioned in my parts therapy text, it is facilitated in a manner that resembles Gestalt role play…but the client takes on the energy of each of his/her parts rather than other people.
I have an article on parts therapy at my website:
http://www.royhunter.com/articles/client_centered_parts_therapy.htm
Let me mention that I only use parts therapy for some of my clients some of the time, because I believe in fitting the technique to the client rather than vice versa.
Note that I’m presenting a 2-hour video on parts therapy for the Global Hypnosis Summit.
Roy Hunter, Ph.D., FAPHP
www.royhunter.com
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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on -
You're welcome Kelley. If you have any questions about it I will be glad to provide additional information or supportive evidence.
John
Kelley Woods said:John, thank you for this model. I have not had it presented in this manner before and find it enticing...
John Cleesatel said:
1. An analytical mind that analyzes input from the outside world, uses logic and rational to problem solve and determine what is real and true in the outside world. Is what is often referred to as the critical factor in other models of the mind.
This function goes dormant during somnambulistic trance. (partial evidence of what separates this part of this mind from the others)
2. A judgmental mind that makes decisions (this is emotionally based by the way), maintains yardstick of behavior standards, and experiences the feelings that are provided by the reactive mind. Functions as the management structure for our behavior. Monitors and controls acceptance of outside input for the reactive mind to limit automatic reaction (watchdog). Cannot affect reactions learned via perceived threat. (separates it from the reactive mind)
3. A purely reactive mind that automatically reacts with learned responses, without conscious thought. Teachable via repetition or perceived threat only. Not directly accessible by the other two minds. It is very used to automatically reacting to outside input... we refer to this state as a trance state... and we use it as the only means we have to be able to multitask.
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Permalink Reply by Leshem Yosef on -
It's not a scientific role anyway it's a theory
And as long you get a good result you are good therapist
So the argument is only philosophical and life is good
And the "how is right" have no real meaning
Any way John c. it dose give as more understanding about the way we see the process of thinking So thank you for the knowledge I will meditate one that
Yosef
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Permalink Reply by Leshem Yosef on
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this discussion need a good Parts Therapy!!! lol !! before he will fall apart
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Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on -
I love your light hearted reaction, Yosef!
Leshem Yosef said:this discussion need a good Parts Therapy!!! lol !! before he will fall apart
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Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on
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John Roberts said:HI Roy:
Welcome to the discussion. I am happy that you have practiced for 27 years, and I have practiced for 20. Basically that means not much. The idea that we have 5-15 fragmented characters running around in the Sc is a very troublesome model. That means the intent you have as a practitioner is one of fragmentation. Your intent is actually creating the fragmentation that you are claiming to mediate. Frankly, the Sc being a bright child does not need mediation, it needs clear and concise instruction which is of benefit to the client. Lastly, I see on your website that you have a Ph.D. from Alpha and California (of Pennsylvania) University. Isn't this another example of specious degrees from unaccredited diploma mills?
John Roberts
Roy Hunter said:Now it’s time for me to jump in…
John said: “I don't talk to the sub-conscious (Sc?) it has no intellect to speak of. However, the judgmental mind, the multifaceted management system of "who we are" has no problem "providing their purpose" to the individual.”
Charles Tebbetts was the pioneer of parts therapy, and I learned it from him in 1983. Since then I’ve practiced it for 27 years and taught it for 22 years…and wrote HYPNOSIS FOR INNER CONFLICT RESOLUTION: INTRODUCING PARTS THERAPY (2005, Crown House Publishing). In other words, my comments come from years of experience...and I do speak to the subconscious during parts therapy. Actually, I speak to various parts of the subconscious.
Our “parts” are what the late Tebbetts called “ego parts” – or aspects of the subconscious. According to other experts of variations of parts therapy, such as Gordon Emmerson (author of EGO STATE THERAPY), ALL of us are influenced by anywhere from five to fifteen “ego states” (or parts) in any given calendar week.
Client centered parts therapy is comparable to mediation, except that we are mediating between various parts of the subconscious rather than between different people. Also, as I mentioned in my parts therapy text, it is facilitated in a manner that resembles Gestalt role play…but the client takes on the energy of each of his/her parts rather than other people.
I have an article on parts therapy at my website:
http://www.royhunter.com/articles/client_centered_parts_therapy.htm
Let me mention that I only use parts therapy for some of my clients some of the time, because I believe in fitting the technique to the client rather than vice versa.
Note that I’m presenting a 2-hour video on parts therapy for the Global Hypnosis Summit.
Roy Hunter, Ph.D., FAPHP
www.royhunter.com
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Permalink Reply by Leshem Yosef on
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thanx Kelley
You should see my smiley face when I posted it
Kelley Woods said:I love your light hearted reaction, Yosef!
Leshem Yosef said:this discussion need a good Parts Therapy!!! lol !! before he will fall apart
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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on
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Roy,
Thanks for your input. Just FYI, Charles Tebbets pioneering, your learning from him, practicing for 27 years, is well and good but is by no means authoritative in my book. Anymore than my learning and developing makes me any kind of unrefuted authority.
Your learning and experience does add credibility to what you say and of that there is no doubt, just as with many other on here. And; success with a technique certainly holds water in that department also, and I will always accept guidance from you because of these.
But; I was forced to take a hard look at what was already in existence when I started coming up short with the how and why of it with hypnosis, trance, and even how the mind words in reference to these. The days of keeping my head in the sand because of opinions based on "that's how I learned it" or "I learned it from the guy who discovered it", or "I read it in this book", have gone by for me. Now, I insist on hard data to support what I do. I mean, look at John Roberts.. and he says hes been practicing for 20 years.
Now, in order to accept it, I need to understand WHY their process is right, not where they learned it from, who taught it to them, or where they read it. I offer no less than the same for my model and my techniques for those who ask.
The proof is in the pudding as they say, and I am sure that you Roy, and John Roberts, and everyone else who successfully uses hypnotherapy techniques has reasons for doing it the way they do, and I am also sure it works for them, at least some of the time. All I attempt to do is to provide a path of understanding as to why and how it works, so that it can be applied in cases of unknown territory client wise. So it can be extrapolated and improved upon by others down the road also.
Hypnotherapy is an art that we are trying to make into a science.. at least I am, and for it to be a science, what techniques really do and how and why they work has to be understood better than it is now. It's like the medical profession in that if you've been doing it the same way for 20 years without any growth, I want a different doctor.
I hope this says what I wanted to say without ruffling feathers, as that was not my intent.
John
Roy Hunter said:Now it’s time for me to jump in…
John said: “I don't talk to the sub-conscious (Sc?) it has no intellect to speak of. However, the judgmental mind, the multifaceted management system of "who we are" has no problem "providing their purpose" to the individual.” Charles Tebbetts was the pioneer of parts therapy, and I learned it from him in 1983. Since then I’ve practiced it for 27 years and taught it for 22 years…and wrote HYPNOSIS FOR INNER CONFLICT RESOLUTION: INTRODUCING PARTS THERAPY (2005, Crown House Publishing). In other words, my comments come from years of experience...and I do speak to the subconscious during parts therapy. Actually, I speak to various parts of the subconscious.
Our “parts” are what the late Tebbetts called “ego parts” – or aspects of the subconscious. According to other experts of variations of parts therapy, such as Gordon Emmerson (author of EGO STATE THERAPY), ALL of us are influenced by anywhere from five to fifteen “ego states” (or parts) in any given calendar week.
Client centered parts therapy is comparable to mediation, except that we are mediating between various parts of the subconscious rather than between different people. Also, as I mentioned in my parts therapy text, it is facilitated in a manner that resembles Gestalt role play…but the client takes on the energy of each of his/her parts rather than other people.
I have an article on parts therapy at my website:
http://www.royhunter.com/articles/client_centered_parts_therapy.htm
Let me mention that I only use parts therapy for some of my clients some of the time, because I believe in fitting the technique to the client rather than vice versa.
Note that I’m presenting a 2-hour video on parts therapy for the Global Hypnosis Summit.
Roy Hunter, Ph.D., FAPHP
www.royhunter.com
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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on
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You seem a bit conflicted here Mr. Roberts, a bit wishy washy to say the least. Let's see how bad it gets...
So if emotional decisions are made with the Sc, then I can't consciously decide what I like or dislike? what feels good or what doesn't? How does that work?
You were wondering about where my model came from? I am the one who developed it. Because I was asking questions like the one above and what I was taught during training couldn't answer them. I spent a year researching hypnosis, trance, and how the mind works in reference to them, before constructing the model from the results. No one else had the answers. I have them now. I did write a book about that journey of discovery, called "The Nature of Trance". It's available on my website if you are interested.
John
The conscious mind uses deductive reasoning to make judgments, and not some other part of the mind called '"judgmental mind." To say otherwise is patently false. John Roberts
On your point of making decisions, one can use the conscious mind to make a reasoned judgment, or one can decide emotionally via the Sc. John Roberts
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Without going into detail, I'll simply make a couple of comments...
1. There is more than one way to reach a destination, which is a metaphor for the fact that there is more than one way to help a client.
2. I do not practice parts therapy exactly the same as I did 20 years ago. Over the years I've updated it several times.
Roy
John Cleesattel said:Roy,
Thanks for your input. Just FYI, Charles Tebbets pioneering, your learning from him, practicing for 27 years, is well and good but is by no means authoritative in my book. Anymore than my learning and developing makes me any kind of unrefuted authority. Your learning and experience does add credibility to what you say and of that there is no doubt, just as with many other on here. And; success with a technique certainly holds water in that department also, and I will always accept guidance from you because of these.
But; I was forced to take a hard look at what was already in existence when I started coming up short with the how and why of it with hypnosis, trance, and even how the mind words in reference to these. The days of keeping my head in the sand because of opinions based on "that's how I learned it" or "I learned it from the guy who discovered it", or "I read it in this book", have gone by for me. Now, I insist on hard data to support what I do. I mean, look at John Roberts.. and he says hes been practicing for 20 years.
Now, in order to accept it, I need to understand WHY their process is right, not where they learned it from, who taught it to them, or where they read it. I offer no less than the same for my model and my techniques for those who ask.
The proof is in the pudding as they say, and I am sure that you Roy, and John Roberts, and everyone else who successfully uses hypnotherapy techniques has reasons for doing it the way they do, and I am also sure it works for them, at least some of the time. All I attempt to do is to provide a path of understanding as to why and how it works, so that it can be applied in cases of unknown territory client wise. So it can be extrapolated and improved upon by others down the road also.
Hypnotherapy is an art that we are trying to make into a science.. at least I am, and for it to be a science, what techniques really do and how and why they work has to be understood better than it is now. It's like the medical profession in that if you've been doing it the same way for 20 years without any growth, I want a different doctor.
I hope this says what I wanted to say without ruffling feathers, as that was not my intent.
John
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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on -
"Who am I to disagree? "
FYI - I don't take any of our models very seriously until a client tells me what they believe is the best way to help them help themselves. From there, I help my client empower their hero's journey using the model of their choice. I do not believe that the maps that we use to discuss the mind can ever be the terrority that we are discussing
and that's okay with me.
Ian Jay said:Perhaps what this discussion confirms is the truism that consciousness is a unique subjective experience.
Can we all agree on this?
Ian
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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on
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Any one else notice that John C's "Judgemental" mind functions a lot like the "somatic mind" found in the "Dianetics" 3 mind model of mind?
John Roberts said:Adrian:
Don't get your knickers in a bunch. My posts are reasoned and informative. The model being used about "Judgmental mind" is false and makes no sense because the conscious mind is responsible for judgment, not some other level of mind. If something is based on a false premise it is indeed false.
John Roberts
Adrian Tannock said:John Roberts said:John:
The conscious mind uses deductive reasoning to make judgments, and not some other part of the mind called '"judgmental mind." To say otherwise is patently false. Where did you get this model that your using? It makes no sense.
Sorry, but wtf? This is just belligerent trolling from my perspective.
Adrian
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