Past Life Reggression V.S. The Bible

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Permalink Reply by Ricky Strode on November 25, 2009 at 8:40pm

well utimately you will still do whatever you are thinking about doing unless your believe structure is manipulated the question really is do you want that and if so that is your answer.

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Permalink Reply by Roger Moore on November 25, 2009 at 8:59pm

I'm really curious - how do you read Hebrews 9:27 to say anything about past lives? As I read it in context of the chapter it says that we die once (no more than once) and then we face judgment.

It is not my job to mess with my client's faith. My job is to respect an honor the clients faith. Having said that, I have used Time Line with Christian clients - I did again this week with a Baptist minister. We did talk about the Past Lives in reference to Time Line. From my perspective just because someone has a past life experience, does not mean it was real - what is important is to unhook the negative emotion attached to it.

As long as I respect the clients belief's system I don't see how there is a moral issue. I would never try to force anyone to believe in past lives - if they do, that's fine. If they don't, that's fine to. What is important is to achieve the client's goals.

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Permalink Reply by James Hazlerig on November 25, 2009 at 9:16pm

I never propose past life regression to a client, but I'll do it if a client asks me for it. I always explain that I don't know whether people are reincarnated, so the experience might simply be an important message from their unconscious.

You should always do your best to work within your client's faith and world view.

That said, if you read "Many Lives, Many Masters," it's interesting to note that neither the hypnotist nor the client believed in past lives. The client was a devout Christian. So if it comes up, I suppose it comes up.

James

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Permalink Reply by James Klingensmith on November 25, 2009 at 9:20pm

Roger Moore, PhD said:

I'm really curious - how do you read Hebrews 9:27 to say anything about past lives? As I read it in context of the chapter it says that we die once (no more than once) and then we face judgment.

Thank you Roger Moore, PhD, My point exactly if you only die once then there are no such thing as a past life.
I do have a question about How does Past Lives refer to Time Line?

James I understand "You should always do your best to work within your client's faith and world view" although if I a client believes in past lives and ask me for my opinion I have to tell them I'm a Christian and I believe is not possible... So here is another question am I cheating the client because I will not give in to my faith?

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Permalink Reply by Roger Moore on November 25, 2009 at 9:48pm

My response is that as a Christian, I don't know if there are past lives or not - I don't think so - but I don't care - that's not important to our work. What is important is to unhook a negative emotion that we may have label at an unconscious level as past life.

Several years ago as a client I had a past life experience. Coincidentally I was having some throat issues at the time. In the session I ended up in a past life. i was a 4 or 5 year old Ojibwe who was hot through the throat with an arrow by a Sioux warrior. In the session, the sadness was released. It was a powerful and profound session. Was this fact or fiction? Since I don't believe in past lives I must have made it up, but it was very real at the time. There was emotional healing and within days, my physical issues with my throat were gone.

If a client want to do past life and it seems reasonable to their goal - then I will guide them in their journey. I don't have to believe and it's not my job to change their belief.

James Klingensmith said:

Roger Moore, PhD said:

I'm really curious - how do you read Hebrews 9:27 to say anything about past lives? As I read it in context of the chapter it says that we die once (no more than once) and then we face judgment.

Thank you Roger Moore, PhD, My point exactly if you only die once then there are no such thing as a past life.
I do have a question about How does Past Lives refer to Time Line?

James I understand "You should always do your best to work within your client's faith and world view" although if I a client believes in past lives and ask me for my opinion I have to tell them I'm a Christian and I believe is not possible... So here is another question am I cheating the client because I will not give in to my faith?

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Permalink Reply by David Parke on November 26, 2009 at 12:21am

James,

I do PLR and I'm on the fence about reincarnation. The way I explain it to people is it is either truly a past life, or it is the subconscious mind creating metaphor to deal with an issue, or it is some sort of genetic memory (there's anecdotal evidence of heart transplant patients developing tastes, aversions, habits of their donors), or something else that we don't understand. I've heard some amazing stories and I've seen powerful changes. I don't get too wrapped up in what it really is and unless my client is a true believer I tell them not to dwell too much on the source of the "memories". It's a powerful tool and I use it from that standpoint.

Dave

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Permalink Reply by Ricky Strode on November 26, 2009 at 12:29am

Exodus 20:1-21 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (i.e. there must be other gods) I bet those other gods and goddesses were really pissed when he said that. How do you know the bible wasn't in fact written by lucifer himself ? That would really make alot of sense in my opinion atleast. I second Mr. Green. I've studied religions and the history around them and did you know that compared to 95% of religion christianity is the youngest one. I bet you did not know that, but what does it really matter anyways ?

I believe anyone has the right to believe whatever they want to believe. Unless it becomes a problem and in that case they come to me for help to change a belief that no longer is productive, or helpful. We change operating structures and belief structures and open up possibilites for an expaned options of options and replace negative processes with more approapiate ones. I guess I've taken too many programming classes, but in essence that is what we do. In other words all I'm saying is your ability to help people is you ability to have many many options, because when people are giving more options they will always pick the one that benifits them most. Thats not for you to actually decide it's just to take them there and bring in new possibilites. If it is against your beliefs and you are not willing to budge at all maybe you shouldn't be a public therapist. You should add Christian to the begining of anything you advertise and say.

I'm not trying to tell you what to do. My intentions here are just to remove the lens caps from your camera and show you what things really look like. I do not want you to chage you, but I want you to look at your question and just really think about it. I'm sure I'll be hearing about this later, but let me remind you that every book ever wrote on the study of brainwashing were related to religion one way, or another. So with that in mind, or out which will probally be the case (from experience atleast) what really makes you believe the things you do ? When you come up with a really good answer not some external want, or blind faith, but an actually logical reason and that will give you the answer you are looking for.

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on November 26, 2009 at 2:06am

Hi James, first of all, morals define as a personal character, while ethics stress the social system in which those morals are applied. In other words, ethics point to standards or codes of behavior expected by the therapist, group to which the individual belongs.

Do you believe there an ethical line? Well I was thought not to offer pass life regression, but yes to do it, if this is what the clients wants to do.

If you use past lives "Do you believe it is your job to mess with your client's faith? Why is it messing up with client's faith, Isn't it what they come for, to find out answers where nothing else helps them? If we are thinking realistically, It is actually has nothing to do with messing up any ones faith, It is instead to help them to fins some answers to their unsolved inner conflict or unsolved issues.

I don't know who is John the Baptist-Elijah or anything about him taking cash from others for what ever reasons... so I don't know what to tell you.

I don't know what bible you are referring to as: Hebrews 9:27, well, as an Israeli, I know that the Jewish bible talks differently about afterlife

החיים שלאחר המוות היא היסוד של האמונה היהודית.

יצירתו של אדם מעיד על חיי הנצח של הנשמה. התורה אומרת, "וזה האל יצר את האדם עפר מן האדמה, הוא נשף אל תוך נחיריו נשמה של החיים" (בראשית 2:7). על פסוק זה, המדינות זוהר כי "אחד מי מכות, מכות מתוך עצמו," המעידה כי הנשמה היא למעשה חלק של המהות של אלוהים. מאז אלוהים היא מהות רוחנית לחלוטין ולא פיזית, זה בלתי אפשרי כי הנשמה צריכה למות. (הפרשן Chizkuni - "זה למה הפסוק מכנה אותו "נפש החיים".)

זה מה התכוון שלמה המלך כאשר כתב, "האבק תחזור הקרקע כפי שהיה, והרוח תשוב אל האלוהים אשר נתנה." קהלת 12:17

The afterlife is a fundamental of Jewish belief.

The creation of man testifies to the eternal life of the soul. The Torah says, “And the Almighty formed the man of dust from the ground, and He blew into his nostrils the SOUL of life” (Genesis 2:7). On this verse, the Zohar states that “one who blows, blows from within himself,” indicating that the soul is actually part of God’s essence. Since God’s essence is completely spiritual and non-physical, it is impossible that the soul should die. (The commentator Chizkuni says this why the verse calls it “soul of LIFE.”)

That’s what King Solomon meant when he wrote, “The dust will return to the ground as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.” (Ecclesiastes 12:17)

No matter what, I believe we all need to respect other religion and clients belief's.
They come for help, I deliver, my job is not to change any-ones mind, that is why in hypnosis the client is always in control....

Doreen Cohanim C.Ht
www.HypnoCruise.com

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Permalink Reply by Michael Haifleigh on November 26, 2009 at 4:42am

James,

Hypnosis and Christianity may have some interesting parallels. They both may be approached in at least two ways: experientially or intellectually.

Experiencing hypnosis is experiencing hypnosis. Much of hypnosis (eye catalepsy, hand levitation, etc.) may be viewed as “convincers”.

Experiencing Christ in one’s life is, experiencing Christ in one’s life. Much of what is written in the Bible may be viewed as “convincers”

Experiencing PLR…

Some people believe that having the experience of Christ in one’s life is the very essence of Christianity. Some would not be without the Word to occupy they intellect.

Experience is experience, the intellect is used in an attempt to understand and communicate/share it.


On the issue of morals: my “line” could be imagined as the following metaphor:

I “walk” with the client.

I don’t “mess” with the client’s Faith or lack of it.


I hold a person’s relationship with their Creator as personal and sacred.

Michael

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Permalink Reply by Chris Witherspoon on November 26, 2009 at 4:57am

I have never used Past Life Regression unless specifically asked to go that direction. I personally sit on the fence about PLR. My upbringing tells me there is one death then judgment, but I have heard stories that make me want to believe. After reading Chropra I have an open mind.

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Permalink Reply by James Klingensmith on November 26, 2009 at 7:42am

Thank you all for your feedback, I realize now that "mess" was a poor choice of words and I apologize.

I think I understand now, We should ask the clients about their religions beliefs on past life and for us Christians (like my-self) it would be okay to explain why I don't do them (if they ask) and to refer them to a PL therapist.

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Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on November 26, 2009 at 7:59am

Hello James,

Obviously this thread could take some predictable turns and lead way off of the questions that you pose (I hope it will not).

That being said, pehaps you can find illumination by considering why you "just have got a lot of potential clients talking to me about past lives lately". Do these people feel safe in approaching you regarding this topic? Do they see PLR as a potential avenue to address their problems? Can your practice benefit from a wonderful tool without compromising your own belief system?

It is a moot point to me personally, like others here, whether PLR is "real" or not. What it is, is a powerful and at the very least, metaphorical tool for exploring and healing. I do not advertise or offer it to clients, but I do utilize it upon request and have seen wonderful results.

Like Roger, I had my own experience which influenced my acceptance of PLR as a therapeutic modality. I was receiving a sacral cranial therapy treatment from a friend when I spontaneously revivified a 2-second experience that was shattering and relieving at the same time: I was shuffling down a cold, dark corrider with many other people. I felt a great sense of sadness and doom. I looked down at my right arm, which was bare and skeletal. I came back to awareness of present and immediately began to cry, releasing what felt like years of pent-up emotional tension.

This tiny glimpse (was it a past life or merely my mind's creation?) suddenly explained some of my issues with food. I have had a great interest and compassion with the Holocaust most of my life: is this the source of my "vision"? The answer to that question really isn't important to me; where I go from here IS. My experience with PLR clients is that they often feel the same way.

Best wishes,

Kelley

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