Past Life Reggression V.S. The Bible

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Permalink Reply by Pete Atan on November 28, 2009 at 12:50pm

Inspired words, beautiful oratory and eloquently written. Bless you. P
Lee Pelletier said:

Scott:

You ask 3 very important questions. There are words that have a multiplicity of meanings. There are concepts that can become easily misunderstood by the way they are used by a given speaker. Even though you asked James the question, let me answer as well.

1. What is a "Christian"? While there can be some interpretation of this term, simply put, a Christian is one who follows the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. (American Heritage Dictionary Online). For the sake of clarity, I added the "of Nazareth." Then comes a natural question. What does it mean to say one follows the teachings of Jesus. You wll find a variety of understandings as to what that means. Those for whom the Bible provides "The Divine and only rule for faith and conduct" will hold that to follow the teachings of Jesus means to have his atoning death on the cross applied to one's sin by willingly accepting Jesus as Savior. By the way, with the statement "Divine and Only Rule for Faith and Conduct" one is reference to teachings of the Bible regarding how to live. Naturally, even in the ancient world, as technological advances came about, there came a place of application of biblical principles to new realities. It was Jesus who said "If you love me, keep my commandments." Jesus said of Himself "I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE, no man comes to the father except through me (John 14:6). Something that gets lost in all the debating about Christianity is that throughout history, and certainly from the Bible, it is about the grace of God overcoming the sins of men. All of human good works are compared to filthy rags when held against the grace of God. It is from this that Christians develop the exclusive mode of thinking that says you cannot be saved or have salvation apart from Jesus, no matter how good a life you lead. In sum, then, a Christian is one who has accepted Jesus Christ as Savior.

2. "Is it possible that powerful church leaders use bibles and other propaganda to get people to follow them instead of following others? I'm here, flipping the channels and Jimmy Swaggart is preaching his type of Chri. . . " I am not sure of your point here, but most who bring up the issues you are bringing up refer to the manipulations and misuse of trust by people like Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Baker and some of the other discredited preachers. Another preacher said something very well, which bears listening to by all preachers, and all hypnotists as well. "The best of men are, at best, men." Very simply put, though people may or may not start out from a good place, they can fall into sinful traps and go against the very thing they deem most important. Like we as hypnotists are embarrassed by the Svengalis of the world but do not wish to be painted by their brush, so faithful Christians abhor the phoniness of those who like Simon Magus in the book of Acts would use the Gospel for personal profit.

3. Is it ethical to use fear to deter citizens from going to a Hypnotherapist? I ask this as I have felt, heard some of the garbage that is taught, twisted and used to manipulate large groups of religion. Of course this is not really a question of ethics but motivation. Why is a preacher trying to deter people from going to a hypnotist? It is simple, really. They try to deter because of fear of the consequences to that individual. They misuse the same fear to try and get people to abstain from drunkenness, adultery, gluttony and smoking. Fear works as a protector for a portion of the population and so it is dished out in large doses to the population at large. I do not support the use of fear, unless I am the one using it. For example, I think nothing of using fear to motivate a smoker to quit. Unfortunately, because our PR for hypnosis is in need of such improvement, the fear that many church leaders have seems reasonable to them. The book of James tells us that not many should teach, because they will be judged by a stricter standard. That is one that should give the charlatans pause, but it won't because they often see faith as a vehicle for getting what they want, so don't mind misusing it.

So that you understand the impact of words, when you conclude by citing your fondness for Depak Chopra, you will lose most Bible believing Christians who read what you are saying because he is presenting a faith system contrary to Christianity. He does so brilliantly and often states that he has nothing against Christianity or other organized religions. To conservative and evangelical Christians he is a famous individual preaching a different path to salvation.

You mentioned "messengers" in your post. There are people (by the way, the messengers you mention would not be considered Christian by those who follow biblical Christianity), who believe that it is so important to make converts that they spend every bit of their free time in order to do so. I have spent many an hour in people's homes helping them through one crisis or another through my years in ministry. Often life had not turned out as they felt they had a right to expect. Other times they were caught in inescapable pain. There are many reasons that people have spiritual needs.

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on November 28, 2009 at 1:17pm

James Please... don't insult my intelligence, you have asked for an honest legit questions and I honestly answered yours, and when people come with information that they think they are right, then that makes me wonder?

As to my Hebrew response, It was based on what I know, like In regards to PLR and the Hebrews, and again at no time I said to anyone that their religion was better then mine or not, I responded only to something that was said that I didn't herd about and instead I shared what I knew to be different from the message posted here and it was to the best of my knowledge In regards to PLR and the Hebrews, and I also recall that I have responded respectfully, therefore I have never said anything about my religion being better then others or that any one will go to heal or haven for that matter.

So I am cool and In this case, I don't think I need to learn to cool my jet's, Mr. James, and again I am not the one who is disrespectful, or do I think that anyone is to get me, so please... don't worry about my profession. I work with all religions and I respect my clients and they respect me, so my suggestions to you with all respect is, that you may want to use your wonderful advice and learn from it, I have shared my knowledge and I think it is wise for me to step back from this discussion.

Before I do that, NO ONE EVER TOLLED ME TO GO TO HELL, and I am not surprised at all, that you will be shocked knowing that I have never heard that before, and It is nothing to do with my bible or your bible, plus I am disappointed that some people confuse religion and sadly mix their perception of religion into this kind of discussion, where we are using an alternative modality where we concentrate on educating people to let go of their emotional pain, fear and guilt, such as letting go of their negative old behavior, patterns, fear of being punished, such as going to hell, living with the poison of guilt and shame for just being human...

I rest my case, respectfully, Doreen Cohanim C.Ht
www.HypnoCruise.com

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Permalink Reply by Lee Pelletier on November 28, 2009 at 2:14pm

This is a fascinating example of something my father taught me. More than once in the 18 years of my life that he was there before cigarettes shortened his life, he would say to me "Son, I know you understand what you think I said, but what you heard was not what I really meant." Those words have come to be very important to me in my work in both ministry and hypnosis. The basic problem arises because people speak from their own place of language, experience, ideas, values and knowledge. It is often hard to realize that what we say is not taken as we meant it because the person hearing it is interpreting the information based on their own place of language, experience, ideas, values and knowledge. While this happens in issues of religion and politics in ways that made all of our grandmothers tell us never to discuss either because it leads to unpleasantness, it also creates unpleasantness in a lot of other areas as well. When we bring differing religious understandings or political preferences to the table, when someone else suggests different ideas, it is easy to hear their words as carrying the meaning "YOU ARE WRONG!" That often leads people--good professional people with solid educations--into strongly worded self-defensive responses. I am very thankful for the people I have met in the Hypnosis Community (particularly the NGH) who have asked me why I hold to this or that idea. They have become friends as we learned to disagree agreeably.

Doreen, I have to tell you that one of the hardest sets of lessons I have learned is to not create the impression that I think some person or other is destined to eternal damnation because they disagree with my understanding of revealed truth. While on the one side, Christianity is all about grace freely dispensed, on the other we can convey that understanding in incredibly ungracious ways. Ungraciousness breeds ungraciousness. Sometimes expressed, sometimes felt without expression. While you have been gracious in your response, I can appreciate how frustrating some expressions are for you to read. My own experience in the hypnosis community has been very revelatory for me in this regard. I feel compelled to say that I agree strongly with you that guilt and shame are poisons for humans (the only creatures that experience those emotions). Guilt and shame seem more often to promote rather than diminish the behavior generating the guilt. In hypnosis we call that the "law of reversed effect."

Religion is, and ought to be important to people. Religion gives meaning, purpose and texture to our lives. More importantly from my point of view, while other issues may effect us somewhat in our life on earth, only religion prepares us for the rest of eternity. Doreen, there were sects of Judaism that did not or do not believe in an afterlife at all. At some point, if you have time look into the Saducees. They believed that there was no life after death.

Sometimes I think people become so intense when discussing religion and politics because they are the only issues that really matter enough to bring about intensity. Reading your post made me feel sad in another way. As I tried to read your Hebrew text I found that I had lost all that I spent so many hours over 4 semesters learning in seminary. Please do provide the translation and the reference so I can read it in English.

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on November 28, 2009 at 6:44pm

Hello Lee,

Your father is a wise man, and my answer to James was based on his Insulting post:

Please learn to cool your jet's Doreen, and don't be so disrespectful no one is out to get you, hopefully this advice will help in your profession to listen to people with out exploding.
So he said you will go to hell, I would be shocked if you have never heard that before. Yes in our bible we believe you will go to hell if you don't believe that Jesus rose from the dead and confess it from our lips.

Have a great day, Doreen Cohanim C.Ht

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Permalink Reply by Scott Cooper on November 29, 2009 at 6:46am

Good Morning Lee,

What a great reply,, very informative. I respect your knowledge and enjoy your writing this to all of us and the blogs from everyone else, just mentioning Lee as he replyed so well to my hurried reply to James. Very imformative for me, thank you again Lee.

I value all of your opinions enough to share this with my 10 year old son. I feel it will further help him grow, can read other people's ways and hopefully continue to develop patients, tolerence and compassion for ridgid and flexible life styles, beliefs,, ect..

And his only comment is below..


"Dad,, it feels like everyone is trying to out power each other,, that is how I feel about reading this"

Hmm,,,, from the mouth of babes I believe there is honesty.

I've been on Hypnothoughts.com for a couple of years now and enjoy it so much because we can have this discussion. We are free to blog,, rant,, rave,, talk, ect.. again,, world wide..

Let's all acknowledge how fortunate we are to have this ability, technology and opportunity to make it world wide including everyone.

So I'll return to Hypnothought.com, a free Hyposis community and am leaving what my son is pointing to,, that is hung in my office,, written by one of my favorite guitar players, via the U.S.,, London and than around the world

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace" Jimi Hendrix

May you all have the best day of your life, where ever on earth you happen to be

Peace

Scott





Lee Pelletier said:

Scott:

You ask 3 very important questions. There are words that have a multiplicity of meanings. There are concepts that can become easily misunderstood by the way they are used by a given speaker. Even though you asked James the question, let me answer as well.

1. What is a "Christian"? While there can be some interpretation of this term, simply put, a Christian is one who follows the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. (American Heritage Dictionary Online). For the sake of clarity, I added the "of Nazareth." Then comes a natural question. What does it mean to say one follows the teachings of Jesus. You wll find a variety of understandings as to what that means. Those for whom the Bible provides "The Divine and only rule for faith and conduct" will hold that to follow the teachings of Jesus means to have his atoning death on the cross applied to one's sin by willingly accepting Jesus as Savior. By the way, with the statement "Divine and Only Rule for Faith and Conduct" one is reference to teachings of the Bible regarding how to live. Naturally, even in the ancient world, as technological advances came about, there came a place of application of biblical principles to new realities. It was Jesus who said "If you love me, keep my commandments." Jesus said of Himself "I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE, no man comes to the father except through me (John 14:6). Something that gets lost in all the debating about Christianity is that throughout history, and certainly from the Bible, it is about the grace of God overcoming the sins of men. All of human good works are compared to filthy rags when held against the grace of God. It is from this that Christians develop the exclusive mode of thinking that says you cannot be saved or have salvation apart from Jesus, no matter how good a life you lead. In sum, then, a Christian is one who has accepted Jesus Christ as Savior.

2. "Is it possible that powerful church leaders use bibles and other propaganda to get people to follow them instead of following others? I'm here, flipping the channels and Jimmy Swaggart is preaching his type of Chri. . . " I am not sure of your point here, but most who bring up the issues you are bringing up refer to the manipulations and misuse of trust by people like Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Baker and some of the other discredited preachers. Another preacher said something very well, which bears listening to by all preachers, and all hypnotists as well. "The best of men are, at best, men." Very simply put, though people may or may not start out from a good place, they can fall into sinful traps and go against the very thing they deem most important. Like we as hypnotists are embarrassed by the Svengalis of the world but do not wish to be painted by their brush, so faithful Christians abhor the phoniness of those who like Simon Magus in the book of Acts would use the Gospel for personal profit.

3. Is it ethical to use fear to deter citizens from going to a Hypnotherapist? I ask this as I have felt, heard some of the garbage that is taught, twisted and used to manipulate large groups of religion. Of course this is not really a question of ethics but motivation. Why is a preacher trying to deter people from going to a hypnotist? It is simple, really. They try to deter because of fear of the consequences to that individual. They misuse the same fear to try and get people to abstain from drunkenness, adultery, gluttony and smoking. Fear works as a protector for a portion of the population and so it is dished out in large doses to the population at large. I do not support the use of fear, unless I am the one using it. For example, I think nothing of using fear to motivate a smoker to quit. Unfortunately, because our PR for hypnosis is in need of such improvement, the fear that many church leaders have seems reasonable to them. The book of James tells us that not many should teach, because they will be judged by a stricter standard. That is one that should give the charlatans pause, but it won't because they often see faith as a vehicle for getting what they want, so don't mind misusing it.

So that you understand the impact of words, when you conclude by citing your fondness for Depak Chopra, you will lose most Bible believing Christians who read what you are saying because he is presenting a faith system contrary to Christianity. He does so brilliantly and often states that he has nothing against Christianity or other organized religions. To conservative and evangelical Christians he is a famous individual preaching a different path to salvation.

You mentioned "messengers" in your post. There are people (by the way, the messengers you mention would not be considered Christian by those who follow biblical Christianity), who believe that it is so important to make converts that they spend every bit of their free time in order to do so. I have spent many an hour in people's homes helping them through one crisis or another through my years in ministry. Often life had not turned out as they felt they had a right to expect. Other times they were caught in inescapable pain. There are many reasons that people have spiritual needs.

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Permalink Reply by Nic Castle on November 29, 2009 at 8:37am

Hi James I think that is a very sensible approach. We need to be aware of our clients beliefs, what ever their religion and work within those boundaries, at the same taime we must respect our own beliefs.

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Permalink Reply by Pete Atan on November 29, 2009 at 2:34pm

You need to remove the plank from your own eye mate. Perhaps you’re not as clever as your arrogance suggests. Read the bible and pray more and chat a bit less opinion as if it were fact.. As for Catholicism; my reply to that would open such a massive debate that there would be no more room on the site for hypnosis discussion, needless to say if you had half a notion of what true Christians believe you would know my thoughts on the church of Rome... good night and GOD bless. sshhh

James Szeles said:

"among Christians there is not a universal agreement on the canon of Scripture either. Protestants believe that the deutrocanonical books ("apocrypha") are not part of sacred Scripture, while most Orthodox churches and the Roman Catholic Church believe they are. Yet still, several Orthodox churches hold books to be inspired which are not recognized by the Roman Catholic church"~from answers.com

Pete Aiton said:

The bible is 100% true and accurate and you are right to be concerned over PLR... The new age BS artists here will waffle on with their ignorance of biblical truth with the usual arrogance of those blinded by humanistic and demonic influence. To claim they know the bible has been edited and changed is simply egotistical lies, where on earth are the facts of this? Hypnosis is a phenomenon, but it is entirely natural and not at all conflicting with Christianity unless it is twisted and intertwined with new age BS like some try to do here. They speak with such conviction over matters to which they have no authority what so ever and wonder why truly spiritual ppl take offense to their blasphemy! Get you own house in order before you give others advise on how to achieve salvation you charlatans... There is but one GOD and one way to reach heaven and that is through CHRIST, there is no reincarnation nor is there righteousness in false doctrines, it is this arrogance which caused the fall and which still separates man from GOD...

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on November 29, 2009 at 3:22pm

Hi Lee Pelletier,

You said, Doreen, there were sects of Judaism that did not or do not believe in an afterlife at all. At some point, if you have time look into the Saducees. They believed that there was no life after death.

Mr. Lee, I agree with what you said, I only shared what I know, and what I know is not solid concreed, it is what I learned from some clients, who were orthodox that came to me with the belief that there is after life and some other orthodox came to me with the belief that there is no after life, and what I posted was from the one who belief in after life... the point I was trying to make is that not everyone have the same belief, one says yes and the other says no… and from reading, I do know that different religion from the same background have different beliefs, like the Jewish religion have orthodox, reform, conservator, kabalistic, and all have different explanation and beliefs, same like Christianity, Catholics, or others, and perhaps I didn't use all this different beliefs which I should have, and I didn't, and to be honest, so far religion is not my cup of coffee, I respect human, therefore I respect what they want to believe, as long it gives them hope, love, and happiness and that they do respect others the same way, without condemning them if they don’t agree with what they chose to believe, then they are not good people or whatever… In my opinion this kind of belief is all about gaining control over others free will.

I think from now on I will just read what others have to add and stay out of this discussion, because I don't have anymore to add, and I am afraid some people will get the wrong idea, but it is fascinating how religion and politics gets so much attention until it turns into a big not useful argument.

I also like to add, that everyone here had contributed lots of great insight and this is what I am going to keep in mind, I still love and respect everyone equally regardless to their opinion.

Respectfully, Doreen Cohanim

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Permalink Reply by Lee Pelletier on November 29, 2009 at 4:06pm

Greetings James Szeles:

One of the more fascinating facets of Christianity is the diversity of belief among those who call themselves by the name "Christian." You are quite right about there being variations in both translations and books considered canonical in different denominations. Add to that the reality that there are groups that portray themselves as "Christian" but mainstream Christianity classifies them as "cults". Even the term "cult" is interesting because if you were to look the word up on www.dictionary.com you would find the sense in which I am using the word as number 6 on the list: "a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader. In history and sociology books the term "cult" fits the first definition: "a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies." So if I refer to a group by the descriptor "cult" followers of that system of thought would tell me that Christianity itself is a "cult" and in the sense of the strict primary definition of the word, they would be correct. In the same sense--all religious systems are cults.

Within "mainstream" Christianity there are variations of focus that define particular denominations. There are different groups that go by the descriptor "Orthodox" to which you might add one of the prefixes "Greek, Russian, Eastern, etc." Then you have Roman Catholicism. Among Protestants you have a wide variety of sets of theology. Episcopal thought closely approximates Roman Catholocism. Presbyterians, Reformed, and some baptist groups follow the systematic theology of John Calvin (you may have heard the term "Calvinist"). There are holiness oriented groups such as the Church of the Nazarene, Methodists (older iterations), and Assemblies of God. Then there are the Charismatic oriented groups like the Assemblies of God, Elam Fellowship and many others. There are independent churches and Southern Baptists, Conservative Baptists and American Baptists. There are primarily black denominations such as the African Methodist Episcopal Church and the National Baptists. There are many reasons why groups form. Sometimes it is similarity in worship style, choice of translation of the scriptures or specific theological questions.

As it relates to Scripture most Protestant groups or denominations reject the Apocrypha and Pseudopigrapha. There is a continuum from conservative to liberal on many questions. More conservative folks will believe in the inerrancy of the scriptures as originally given, while more liberal will have a more flexible view. The way the more conservative folks are most often identified is by the words "conservative or evangelical." Generally speaking someone is likely to be conservative or evangelical if they hold to these foundational doctrines or sets of ideas. 1. Belief in One God. This one God is understood and experienced in three ways, Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Trinity). 2. Jesus is the second person of the trinity, the son of God, and born of the virgin Mary. 3. All humans sinful and on the basis of their own works they could never deserve heaven. 4. That because all men are sinful and could not deserve heaven on their own merits, Atonement is necessary and Jesus provides that atonement by his sinless life, substitutionary death and resurrection. 5. That all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is inerrant as originally given. They see the Bible as containing the Old and the New Testaments, 66 books in all. In determining if a writing met the qualities required to be considered scripture the generally agreed upon critera are:

1. Apostolic Origin — attributed to and based upon the preaching/teaching of the first-generation apostles (or their close companions).

2. Universal Acceptance — acknowledged by all major Christian communities in the ancient world (by the end of the fourth century).

3. Liturgical Use — read publicly when early Christian communities gathered for the Lord's Supper (their weekly worship services).

4. Consistent Message — containing a theological outlook similar to or complementary to other accepted Christian writings. (wikipedia)

It is rather interesting to those who have studied the process to see the accusations that certain ideas were "changed" to close out ideas like reincarnation. The consistent message question is the primary reason such a set of ideas might be rejected. Reincarnation runs contrary to salvation by grace, a very important doctrine to conservative and evangelical Christians.

In the USA, while in different denominations, about 30-35% hold to these core beliefs. That matters to us as hypnotists because it is useful to keep the door open to about 1/3 of the potential marketplace.

I can tell you that if you explain the Miracles of Jesus, the Apostles and the Prophets as early applications of hypnotism you will not win friends in those communities.

You will occasionally find a clergyperson who is interested in exploring ideas outside the mainstream of his or her belief system. That does not mean that Biblical Christian theology allows for it. It means they are interested in experimenting outside of the belief system. If they want to explore there is nothing ethically questionable about helping them do so. It is, however, ethically dubious to guide a person in that direction without their overt indication that they wish to go in that direction.


James Szeles said:

"among Christians there is not a universal agreement on the canon of Scripture either. Protestants believe that the deutrocanonical books ("apocrypha") are not part of sacred Scripture, while most Orthodox churches and the Roman Catholic Church believe they are. Yet still, several Orthodox churches hold books to be inspired which are not recognized by the Roman Catholic church"~from answers.com

Pete Aiton said:

The bible is 100% true and accurate and you are right to be concerned over PLR... The new age BS artists here will waffle on with their ignorance of biblical truth with the usual arrogance of those blinded by humanistic and demonic influence. To claim they know the bible has been edited and changed is simply egotistical lies, where on earth are the facts of this? Hypnosis is a phenomenon, but it is entirely natural and not at all conflicting with Christianity unless it is twisted and intertwined with new age BS like some try to do here. They speak with such conviction over matters to which they have no authority what so ever and wonder why truly spiritual ppl take offense to their blasphemy! Get you own house in order before you give others advise on how to achieve salvation you charlatans... There is but one GOD and one way to reach heaven and that is through CHRIST, there is no reincarnation nor is there righteousness in false doctrines, it is this arrogance which caused the fall and which still separates man from GOD...

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Permalink Reply by Lee Pelletier on November 29, 2009 at 4:22pm

Hi Doreen:

Belief is a fascinating arena and honestly well worth our undrestanding as hypnotists. Please do add your thoughts. I was hoping you would find the Saducees interesting to learn more about, just for curiousity's sake. We all have much to add. Religion becomes an emotional issue because it essentially calls forth the core of who we are. It is from our religious beliefs that many of us receive our defining purpose in life.

In another discussion the issues became very heated and had nothing to do with religion. The issues surrounded induction techniques. The more we need to be "right" the more emotion becomes involved. That is valuable for us as hypnotists because emotions are tools for us to use in helping our clients. The heat of the discussion, then, flows from the importance individuals attach to the issue. Politics and Religion are, to the general public, very important. To we who practice hypnosis, induction techniques, deepeners, parts resolution, direct and indirect suggestions can all become disproportionately important.

One of the great values of this forum is the ability to put ideas out for others to see, and then to take in the comments that come up. If there are worthwhile comments that add to our understanding, good. If not, at least we saw different points of view on the topic about which we shared.

I find it fascinating to read the different writing styles of those who share. I like trying to figure out if they are Visual, Auditory, Kinestetic, or Olfactory/Gustatory. As a DISC Consultant, I like guessing what a person's style is from how they write and adjust my communication with them to their style.

One of the most valuable lessons I have learned in my study of hypnosis and NLP is that "There is no failure, only feedback". That helps me a lot when I propose ideas and don't get the kind of response I am looking for.

You sound like a thoughtful, caring, and very intelligent person, Doreen. Please keep sharing wherever you have insight. That you have an insight to share means that there is another who will find it valuable, whether or not they choose to comment.

Doreen Cohanim C.Ht said:

Hi Lee Pelletier,

You said, Doreen, there were sects of Judaism that did not or do not believe in an afterlife at all. At some point, if you have time look into the Saducees. They believed that there was no life after death.

Mr. Lee, I agree with what you said, I only shared what I know, and what I know is not solid concreed, it is what I learned from some clients, who were orthodox that came to me with the belief that there is after life and some other orthodox came to me with the belief that there is no after life, and what I posted was from the one who belief in after life... the point I was trying to make is that not everyone have the same belief, one says yes and the other says no… and from reading, I do know that different religion from the same background have different beliefs, like the Jewish religion have orthodox, reform, conservator, kabalistic, and all have different explanation and beliefs, same like Christianity, Catholics, or others, and perhaps I didn't use all this different beliefs which I should have, and I didn't, and to be honest, so far religion is not my cup of coffee, I respect human, therefore I respect what they want to believe, as long it gives them hope, love, and happiness and that they do respect others the same way, without condemning them if they don’t agree with what they chose to believe, then they are not good people or whatever… In my opinion this kind of belief is all about gaining control over others free will.

I think from now on I will just read what others have to add and stay out of this discussion, because I don't have anymore to add, and I am afraid some people will get the wrong idea, but it is fascinating how religion and politics gets so much attention until it turns into a big not useful argument.

I also like to add, that everyone here had contributed lots of great insight and this is what I am going to keep in mind, I still love and respect everyone equally regardless to their opinion.

Respectfully, Doreen Cohanim

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on November 29, 2009 at 4:29pm

Lol lee, you really bring out the good and fun energy in me, you were able to make me smile and now I am curious, what do you think is my style?

Doreen Cohanim C.Ht

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on November 29, 2009 at 4:44pm

Lee Pelletier,

I find Saducees.com fascinating, great stories, beautiful Inspiring stories, but I believe that every one of us can come up with this fascinating story’s, some being truthful and some being creative, using their own beliefs and creation, such as imaginations to heal, still If you really investigate between spirituality and all religion, you will find similar Inspirational stories, that healed one other soul.

Just my opinion I guess.
Doreen Cohanim C.Ht

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