Past Life Reggression V.S. The Bible

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on November 29, 2009 at 4:29pm

Lol lee, you really bring out the good and fun energy in me, you were able to make me smile and now I am curious, what do you think is my style?

Doreen Cohanim C.Ht

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on November 29, 2009 at 4:44pm

Lee Pelletier,

I find Saducees.com fascinating, great stories, beautiful Inspiring stories, but I believe that every one of us can come up with this fascinating story’s, some being truthful and some being creative, using their own beliefs and creation, such as imaginations to heal, still If you really investigate between spirituality and all religion, you will find similar Inspirational stories, that healed one other soul.

Just my opinion I guess.
Doreen Cohanim C.Ht

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Permalink Reply by Michael Haifleigh on November 29, 2009 at 5:48pm

Lee,

I agree with you on this point. Would you care to begin an inquiry?

Michael


Lee Pelletier said:

Hi Doreen:

Belief is a fascinating arena and honestly well worth our undrestanding as hypnotists.

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on November 29, 2009 at 6:16pm

Hi Michael Haifleigh,

I think it is a great Idea to begin an inquiry about belief and our undrestanding as hypnotists.
maybe even a new discussion?

Doreen Cohanim C.Ht

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Permalink Reply by James Klingensmith on November 29, 2009 at 7:21pm

Great view points thanks Lee you answered the questions better than I.

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Permalink Reply by Pete Aiton on November 29, 2009 at 9:36pm

I think that James Klingensmith deserves a great deal of credit for having the courage and the foresight to raise the issue and for having the conviction to respond in such an honest and impassioned manner. In my view it’s been the most thought provoking thread on this forum so far... Also James on another subject I really enjoyed looking through your website, my son is designing mine at present and he has taken some inspiration from yours... I hope we can chat again; I am very keen to swap ideas with you on among other things CBT etc.
GOD bless.
Pete

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Permalink Reply by James Szeles on November 30, 2009 at 8:26am

Hi Lee,
Thank you for your reply.
James

Lee Pelletier said:

Greetings James Szeles:

One of the more fascinating facets of Christianity is the diversity of belief among those who call themselves by the name "Christian." You are quite right about there being variations in both translations and books considered canonical in different denominations. Add to that the reality that there are groups that portray themselves as "Christian" but mainstream Christianity classifies them as "cults". Even the term "cult" is interesting because if you were to look the word up on www.dictionary.com you would find the sense in which I am using the word as number 6 on the list: "a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader. In history and sociology books the term "cult" fits the first definition: "a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies." So if I refer to a group by the descriptor "cult" followers of that system of thought would tell me that Christianity itself is a "cult" and in the sense of the strict primary definition of the word, they would be correct. In the same sense--all religious systems are cults.

Within "mainstream" Christianity there are variations of focus that define particular denominations. There are different groups that go by the descriptor "Orthodox" to which you might add one of the prefixes "Greek, Russian, Eastern, etc." Then you have Roman Catholicism. Among Protestants you have a wide variety of sets of theology. Episcopal thought closely approximates Roman Catholocism. Presbyterians, Reformed, and some baptist groups follow the systematic theology of John Calvin (you may have heard the term "Calvinist"). There are holiness oriented groups such as the Church of the Nazarene, Methodists (older iterations), and Assemblies of God. Then there are the Charismatic oriented groups like the Assemblies of God, Elam Fellowship and many others. There are independent churches and Southern Baptists, Conservative Baptists and American Baptists. There are primarily black denominations such as the African Methodist Episcopal Church and the National Baptists. There are many reasons why groups form. Sometimes it is similarity in worship style, choice of translation of the scriptures or specific theological questions.

As it relates to Scripture most Protestant groups or denominations reject the Apocrypha and Pseudopigrapha. There is a continuum from conservative to liberal on many questions. More conservative folks will believe in the inerrancy of the scriptures as originally given, while more liberal will have a more flexible view. The way the more conservative folks are most often identified is by the words "conservative or evangelical." Generally speaking someone is likely to be conservative or evangelical if they hold to these foundational doctrines or sets of ideas. 1. Belief in One God. This one God is understood and experienced in three ways, Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Trinity). 2. Jesus is the second person of the trinity, the son of God, and born of the virgin Mary. 3. All humans sinful and on the basis of their own works they could never deserve heaven. 4. That because all men are sinful and could not deserve heaven on their own merits, Atonement is necessary and Jesus provides that atonement by his sinless life, substitutionary death and resurrection. 5. That all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is inerrant as originally given. They see the Bible as containing the Old and the New Testaments, 66 books in all. In determining if a writing met the qualities required to be considered scripture the generally agreed upon critera are:

1. Apostolic Origin — attributed to and based upon the preaching/teaching of the first-generation apostles (or their close companions).

2. Universal Acceptance — acknowledged by all major Christian communities in the ancient world (by the end of the fourth century).

3. Liturgical Use — read publicly when early Christian communities gathered for the Lord's Supper (their weekly worship services).

4. Consistent Message — containing a theological outlook similar to or complementary to other accepted Christian writings. (wikipedia)

It is rather interesting to those who have studied the process to see the accusations that certain ideas were "changed" to close out ideas like reincarnation. The consistent message question is the primary reason such a set of ideas might be rejected. Reincarnation runs contrary to salvation by grace, a very important doctrine to conservative and evangelical Christians.

In the USA, while in different denominations, about 30-35% hold to these core beliefs. That matters to us as hypnotists because it is useful to keep the door open to about 1/3 of the potential marketplace.

I can tell you that if you explain the Miracles of Jesus, the Apostles and the Prophets as early applications of hypnotism you will not win friends in those communities.

You will occasionally find a clergyperson who is interested in exploring ideas outside the mainstream of his or her belief system. That does not mean that Biblical Christian theology allows for it. It means they are interested in experimenting outside of the belief system. If they want to explore there is nothing ethically questionable about helping them do so. It is, however, ethically dubious to guide a person in that direction without their overt indication that they wish to go in that direction.


James Szeles said:

"among Christians there is not a universal agreement on the canon of Scripture either. Protestants believe that the deutrocanonical books ("apocrypha") are not part of sacred Scripture, while most Orthodox churches and the Roman Catholic Church believe they are. Yet still, several Orthodox churches hold books to be inspired which are not recognized by the Roman Catholic church"~from answers.com

Pete Aiton said:

The bible is 100% true and accurate and you are right to be concerned over PLR... The new age BS artists here will waffle on with their ignorance of biblical truth with the usual arrogance of those blinded by humanistic and demonic influence. To claim they know the bible has been edited and changed is simply egotistical lies, where on earth are the facts of this? Hypnosis is a phenomenon, but it is entirely natural and not at all conflicting with Christianity unless it is twisted and intertwined with new age BS like some try to do here. They speak with such conviction over matters to which they have no authority what so ever and wonder why truly spiritual ppl take offense to their blasphemy! Get you own house in order before you give others advise on how to achieve salvation you charlatans... There is but one GOD and one way to reach heaven and that is through CHRIST, there is no reincarnation nor is there righteousness in false doctrines, it is this arrogance which caused the fall and which still separates man from GOD...

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Permalink Reply by Leshem Yosef on November 30, 2009 at 11:21am

Hi James
Don’t get me wrong I don’t want to argue about religion o no
Just a philosophic question
You as religious don’t believe in reincarnation
Or you do believe in reincarnation but don’t believe that it's allow to mess with it


James Klingensmith said:

Great view points thanks Lee you answered the questions better than I.

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Permalink Reply by Nic Castle on November 30, 2009 at 11:53am

Peter, your comments are wholly unacceptable, no matter what your religious beliefs it is about time you showed a bit of respect for other peoples views. Using terms like "The new age BS artists" is offensive and people would complain if people used terms like "Christian BS artists" using language like that brings you down to the level of people around the world who cause problems around the world.

You may have certain religious conviction and from you comments feel you are right and every one else is wrong. That is arrogance.

Pete Aiton said:

You need to remove the plank from your own eye mate. Perhaps you’re not as clever as your arrogance suggests. Read the bible and pray more and chat a bit less opinion as if it were fact.. As for Catholicism; my reply to that would open such a massive debate that there would be no more room on the site for hypnosis discussion, needless to say if you had half a notion of what true Christians believe you would know my thoughts on the church of Rome... good night and GOD bless. sshhh
James Szeles said:

"among Christians there is not a universal agreement on the canon of Scripture either. Protestants believe that the deutrocanonical books ("apocrypha") are not part of sacred Scripture, while most Orthodox churches and the Roman Catholic Church believe they are. Yet still, several Orthodox churches hold books to be inspired which are not recognized by the Roman Catholic church"~from answers.com

Pete Aiton said:

The bible is 100% true and accurate and you are right to be concerned over PLR... The new age BS artists here will waffle on with their ignorance of biblical truth with the usual arrogance of those blinded by humanistic and demonic influence. To claim they know the bible has been edited and changed is simply egotistical lies, where on earth are the facts of this? Hypnosis is a phenomenon, but it is entirely natural and not at all conflicting with Christianity unless it is twisted and intertwined with new age BS like some try to do here. They speak with such conviction over matters to which they have no authority what so ever and wonder why truly spiritual ppl take offense to their blasphemy! Get you own house in order before you give others advise on how to achieve salvation you charlatans... There is but one GOD and one way to reach heaven and that is through CHRIST, there is no reincarnation nor is there righteousness in false doctrines, it is this arrogance which caused the fall and which still separates man from GOD...

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Permalink Reply by James Klingensmith on November 30, 2009 at 7:47pm

Leshem Yosef said:

Hi James
Don’t get me wrong I don’t want to argue about religion o no Just a philosophic question You as religious don’t believe in reincarnation Or you do believe in reincarnation but don’t believe that it's allow to mess with it


Awesome Question:
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WARNING BELOW IS ONLY PERSONAL OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope I don't get buzzed and no one get's mad at me if I answer this question honestly, Please don't read if you get offended easily I am only answering a question.
I believe the idea of reincarnation is insulting, this would mean that God screwed up, or He is playing a game with our lives and are lives are equivalent to Mario Bro's., or we have no soul and we are nothing more than atoms, or this is hell and we can never escape like Bill Murry's Groundhogs Day where we have to live it over and over and over again.
There would be no reason to say your sorry, try to live a good life, fall in love, believe in love, do the right thing, or to grow older than 30, because you would be trapped in a never ending cycle.
I see clients for pain and people down on their luck if I entertained this idea with my clients even a little and they believed this idea that one could just restart. Truthfully if they had an ounce of intelligence they would drink the kool-aid. Why not just kill yourself when thing go bad you have another life waiting for you anyway?
Personally It would make me upset to believe I have no control where I go when I die and this would make life pointless.
I have a choice to believe the Bible is true and reincarnation is false. Here is the cool part if I am wrong I will be reborn after I die and maybe I could get it right next time. If I am right I go to heaven. This is the only win-win situation possible.

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Permalink Reply by James Klingensmith on November 30, 2009 at 7:51pm

Please keep the discussion about the discussion and don't belittle someone about their beliefs.

Nic Castle said:

Peter, your comments are wholly unacceptable, no matter what your religious beliefs it is about time you showed a bit of respect for other peoples views. Using terms like "The new age BS artists" is offensive and people would complain if people used terms like "Christian BS artists" using language like that brings you down to the level of people around the world who cause problems around the world.

You may have certain religious conviction and from you comments feel you are right and every one else is wrong. That is arrogance.

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Permalink Reply by James Hazlerig on November 30, 2009 at 8:57pm

It's fascinating to me that some people here feel free to refer to others as "new age BS artists"--yet when someone points out that the arrogance of such a comment, the second poster is told not to belittle someone's beliefs.

Peter--No one here is objecting to you being Christian. They're objecting to you being obnoxious. Curiously, some here have referred to that as simply being Christian.

Lee--Your posts have been very eloquent and reasonable, and you sound respectful of other religions. I have a question for you, and it is meant to test the boundaries of that respect: You mentioned a survey and asked if we would direct clergy and religious leaders to it. I know a number of Wiccan high priests and priestesses, and I can easily track down leaders within the Druidic, Asatru, and Voudon communities. Are they the kind of people you are seeking to survey? Or are they "new-age BS artists"?

If they're not the kind of people you want, perhaps you could be respectful enough to say that you want the opinions of Christian clergy and religious leaders.

I never push my religion on a client, or anyone else for that matter, in part because it's against my religion to do so. :-)

However, I would like to clarify to Klingensmith that my religion does not say you are damned to Hell for not agreeing with us--because our view of a loving Divinity is not congruent with the idea of a damning god.

Blessed be,

James

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