Rapid inductions on non-somnabulists

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Permalink Reply by Alfredo Velasquez CHt. on August 22, 2010 at 8:47pm

I think you don't need a sonambulist to perform a quick or shock induction. If you do the proper pre-talk there is not problem shocking them; you may not get the same physical result as with a sonambulist, but they will be under.
Lately I have been using more quick inductions, because I have noticed that people (perhaps is my tought) kind of go deeper when shocking them versus using normal induction.
Sucess,

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Permalink Reply by Timothy Greer on August 26, 2010 at 9:51am

Thanks, Alfredo!
Tim

Alfredo Velasquez CHt. said:

I think you don't need a sonambulist to perform a quick or shock induction. If you do the proper pre-talk there is not problem shocking them; you may not get the same physical result as with a sonambulist, but they will be under.
Lately I have been using more quick inductions, because I have noticed that people (perhaps is my tought) kind of go deeper when shocking them versus using normal induction.
Sucess,

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Permalink Reply by Henxy on August 26, 2010 at 10:35am

Spot on.

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Permalink Reply by Kevin Cole-NLPTrainingQuest.com on August 26, 2010 at 11:22am

In addition to what Alfredo shared, it's all in the Follow Up...

Meaning what I find some people do wrong is they do an instant induction by essentially "shocking the client" and then they don't know what to do next.

If you're going to use "shock" inductions (which by the way, I seldom to never recommend in a clinical setting... and there are more elegant ways to induce trance extremely rapidly **See Richard Nongard below), you want to feel comfortable following it up with appropriate suggestions and deepening techniques...

As for more elegant yet rapid approaches, this is one of the best examples I know of, by Richard Nongard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e93mZMaixqw

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Permalink Reply by Richard Nongard - NLPBoard.com on August 26, 2010 at 4:39pm

Thanks for the props Kevin....

Being a somnambulist has little to do with the success of rapid inductions.
In making this assumption one also makes the assumption that trance depth is meaningful (or measurable), which is another common error.
What is most important is:
1.) The client must understand what hypnosis will be like for them
2.) The client must be led through expectancy...

So here is a sample script:

"So have you ever experienced hypnosis before?"
yes
"great! Then you know what it feels like to enter trance...."
or No...
"Great, I like to work with people who are learning something new. Hypnosis is a totally natural state, a state of increased ability to be aware or to concentrate. In this state we can be our most creative"
(See how that defines hypnosis for them - not in "depth" but in exprerience"
I might then do this...
"Go ahead and close your eyes and listen to me count to 5. 1-2-3-4-5"
"Now open your eyes"
"What did that feel like to you? They will usually jest be a bit confused and i will answer for them "It felt a like you were sitting there and sime guy was talking to you, didn't it?
yes
"That is what hypnosis feels like, it is not a magical or mystical experience but rather one where you are listening to me, and can use my words to guide you into that place of creativity we call hypnosis"
(Now I have agreement and definition)
Then I go on to create expectency. I rarely ever do a rapid induction without telling them what will happen.
"I want you to sit back in the chair, and let that hand hand loose to the side. I am going to hold this other hand and let it just be loose and limp. Let yourself feel relaxed. I am then going to hold my hand here (cerbone butterfly) and you are going to follow it with your eyes and with your head. Wherever my hand goes, you follow it. When I say sleep, you will drop instantly into a deep trance, that state of creativity and concentration..."
Then I do the induction

Now, deep or light trance is irrelevant... I have complance, and if they follow that suggestion "drop instantly into a deep trance, that state of creativity and concentration" they will follow my next suggestion no matter how silly or serious it is (clinical or stage hypnosis).

Like kevin, there is a place for rapid induction in clinical hypnosis, but rarely do I use it in the office.
I NEVER do an armpull.
Shock is a way to induce trance, but a method I almost never utilize. Expectency is far more effective.

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Permalink Reply by Sean Michael Andrews on August 26, 2010 at 5:48pm

Hi Tim!
When I am working with a new client, I usually use a Dave Elman induction which is slow and takes at least three minutes. :-)

If for some reason the client does not go into hypnosis, I will use an "hand drop" shock induction. If THAT doesn't work, I will have the client stand up and I will do an "arm pull" induction. If THAT doesn't work I will send him/her home. I almost NEVER have to send anybody home.

And then there is the "practice induction" which is very sneaky, but very effective.

In my opinion, almost everyone can achieve hypnosis, so being a somnambulist (although wonderful) is not something you need!

Best Wishes,

Sean Michael Andrews

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Permalink Reply by Richard Nongard - NLPBoard.com on August 26, 2010 at 6:23pm

Couldtn't agree with Sean more.... on the issue of being a somnambulist being important.

However, when I have a new client, I almost always use a PMR or Autogenic induction (probaly a hybrid) and take ten minutes, becsue I believe it teaches skills. if I sense they are not going into deep trance I use an elman count as a deepener (but never as induction) and perhaps some elements of paradoxical induction. I have never sent anyone home, beacsue i have never had someone NOT go into trance... I frame induction as a skillset I am teaching them, they all go into trance.
There is very little resistance in hypnosis when someone made an appointment with a hypnotist. In many cases I think if there is resistance the hypnotist created it.

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on August 26, 2010 at 11:24pm

Being suggestible isn't a willful compliance thing. Everyone is suggestible. We all work the same generic way. Those with earnest desire but poor results may need some additional learning, but that's all it normally is.

We can be hypnotized because we have a survival need need to use our natural automatic reaction ability (that I call trance) We all go into and out of trance all the time, everyday, so don't worry about it.

The surprise/confusion technique for an instant induction doesn't need to be a physical shock. It can be anything that makes the subject's focus go internal, which is what appears to happen when we are surprised. Asking a question like "What year did you learn to ride a bicycle?" where they have to look internally for the answer will work just as good as doing a physical shock technique.

(Here is an example for you:)
Get permission: I am going to be hypnotizing you, is that okay?
Set it up with an expectancy: I am going to say a hypnotic word that is so powerful, that when I say it you will instantly go into a very deep trance. Your body will go completely and totally limp and it will feel wonderful.
Is that okay?
Are you ready?
First I would like to test how fast your brain works, okay?
"what year did you first learn to ride a bicycle?"
Then...In the one to two seconds when you see them looking for the answer..."uhhh...lets see"...(even if you have to interrupt them)... Say, do not yell...Sleep! (snap fingers)
Watch their look of amazement as they just look at you, and with eyes fluttering closed slump into a trance.
Then just deepen.

John

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Permalink Reply by Leo Gopal on August 26, 2010 at 11:39pm

Hi Timothy,

I use very similar thinking a methodology as Richard, Kevin and Sean Suggested, all of which a superb and works great, all you have to do is believe their words and practice it and it WILL work for you and your clients.

Also @Sean, in the video training of you I remember you doing an Elman Induction Demonstration in just about 60 seconds (not three minutes) which was superb and i use the Elman a lot in the same timing. ;)

Sean Michael Andrews C.H. C.I. - WorldsFastestHypnotist.com said:

Hi Tim!
When I am working with a new client, I usually use a Dave Elman induction which is slow and takes at least three minutes. :-)

If for some reason the client does not go into hypnosis, I will use an "hand drop" shock induction. If THAT doesn't work, I will have the client stand up and I will do an "arm pull" induction. If THAT doesn't work I will send him/her home. I almost NEVER have to send anybody home.

And then there is the "practice induction" which is very sneaky, but very effective.

In my opinion, almost everyone can achieve hypnosis, so being a somnambulist (although wonderful) is not something you need!

Best Wishes,

Sean Michael Andrews

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Permalink Reply by Timothy Greer on August 29, 2010 at 9:33am

Thanks, everybody! I have a lot to work with now! :) It seems to me that everyone can be hypnotized, but certain people respond much differently to different things. I'll keep in mind the tips and theories of the mind in this discussion and try to utilize them as best I can.
Thanks again!
Tim

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