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Rapid Trance Induction
My fellow Hypnotists,
I recently picked up Hypnosis as a hobby to just mess with my friends. I turned out loving it way more than expected. Ive become pretty good at progressive inductions and was wondering if anybody had any advice on rapid trance inductions. Im confused on what i need to do before and whether to follow immediatly by a deepener. Im also a little confused on how deep the trance is. With rapid trance inductions, which type is the easiest to begin with and where do i start?
Thank you so much!!!
Nick
I recently picked up Hypnosis as a hobby to just mess with my friends. I turned out loving it way more than expected. Ive become pretty good at progressive inductions and was wondering if anybody had any advice on rapid trance inductions. Im confused on what i need to do before and whether to follow immediatly by a deepener. Im also a little confused on how deep the trance is. With rapid trance inductions, which type is the easiest to begin with and where do i start?
Thank you so much!!!
Nick
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Permalink Reply by Brian David Phillips on -
Nick, like any induction you must follow immediately with your deepeners which are simply ways to maintain the trance. Instant or rapid techniques are of no value unless you give them utility. The "depth" of the trance is usually much "deeper" than a slower induction, IF YOU CREATE THE UTILITY and take immediate advantage of the state. I have a bias toward using speed inductions - I am one of the so-called speed hypnosis gurus and am teaching a creative walkabout trance event in August and sell a number of speed hypnosis DVD products on my webpages - however, given your previous experience and your hobby interest, you will find that speed techniques are a very valuable toolset, in many contexts such as what you described above they will be far more effective and appropriate inductions as well.
All the best,
Brian
http://www.briandavidphillips.com
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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on -
An induction is an induction. is an induction. I don't care what you call it. Prior to the induction you need a pretalk or .. a set up to set expectations and create rapport in your subject. After the induction ... You absolutely need one or more deepeners.and as Brian pointed out you need to create utility to accomplish your desired and targeted outcome. Without a deepner and ongoing utility, a subject will pop back out in seconds after even the best rapid induction,
Which rapid induction is best ??? That depends on which one YOU are most comfortable with. I personally would start with the basic arm tug or arm drop. Learn WHY it works and how it works. Get comfortable with it. Then go on and play with a lot of the "customized" stuff that is out there. You can't go wrong watching Brian's you tube stuff, God knows he has enough free quality stuff out there to teach any serious student. He only hits these shores once a year so I would give some serious thought to getting his basic DVD's and showing up at the walkabout in August.
There is also a lot of material around from Richard Nongard and John Cerbone. Great stuff for learning Speed trance variations. Richard and John do a lot of seminars and you can catch up with them about every other month or so. If you look directly to the side of the page you will see Richard's ad and Sean Micheal Andrewa ad. Both are really good ways to cross train in Rapid inductions. If you are in California keep an eye out for Richard Rumble. Richard does occassional traings and is highly recommended.
I know somebody is ticked off because I didn't recommend them, but honestly these are the people That I have trained with and had great experiences with. Final thought practice practice, practice.... Play , play , play.
Hugh Cole
Texas Tranceman.
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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on -
Hi Nick.
You mention rapid inductions, but I am wondering if you really meant instantaneous inductions. If not; while just about anything is faster than a progressive relaxation induction, if you are interested, here is a rapid induction technique you may be able to use that takes less than a minute. It also has a link to the discussion of how and why it works.
http://www.hypnothoughts.com/forum/topics/how-to-hypnotize-people
I hope that helps you
John.
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Permalink Reply by Joshua Houghton on -
I was about to type up a long and quality comment but I noticed your post and said why bother. You took the words right out of my mouth Hugh! I couldn't have said it better. It's all about the set up. Once an instant/rapid induction is set up correctly technically anything can be an induction. Heck, even dropping a pencil!
Many new students focus on performing the induction correctly when in reality it's the other way around. If you have the right set up which includes a pre-talk, which can vary depending on your location. For instance, an office pre-talk will vary from a stage or street hypnosis pre-talk. Then all you need to do is build expectations, which can actually be combined within the pre-talk. Permission is a nice bonus as well, but you can get away with just implied consent. Still, I always like to get verbal permission, but that is just me.
I love the way Brian put it, YOU HAVE TO CREATE THE UTILITY. If you don't then your rapid or instant induction is worthless. It's like going to tie your shoe when you don't have a shoe ;) As far as inductions I have to agree with Hugh. It's completely up to you and your style. If your new to hypnosis it may take you some time to find your style, but believe us you will find it. I personally like the two handed arm drop, but honestly they are all easy and can be made up once everything is set up.
The two handed arm drop is very similar to a basic arm drop induction. Only having a client push down on both of my hands at the same time and once they put a little pressure I remove my hands and use the standard Sleep suggestion. One of my personal favs!
My friend John who posted in this thread has a cool induction based of Expectation which you should try out as well. Simple, yet effective. As Hugh mentioned Brian has a ton of great information available as well. Good luck with everything. Oh, please keep this in mind so you don't confused. You are going to run across many different explantations of Instant and Rapid Inductions and depending on the training that hypnotist received. This doesn't mean one is right and one is wrong. Each person just has their own take and adds their own style. So when learning these inductions or I should say learning the set up. Just remember to keep an open mind.
Josh Houghton
http://www.whatsonmybrain.com
Hugh Cole said:An induction is an induction. is an induction. I don't care what you call it. Prior to the induction you need a pretalk or .. a set up to set expectations and create rapport in your subject. After the induction ... You absolutely need one or more deepeners.and as Brian pointed out you need to create utility to accomplish your desired and targeted outcome. Without a deepner and ongoing utility, a subject will pop back out in seconds after even the best rapid induction,
Which rapid induction is best ??? That depends on which one YOU are most comfortable with. I personally would start with the basic arm tug or arm drop. Learn WHY it works and how it works. Get comfortable with it. Then go on and play with a lot of the "customized" stuff that is out there. You can't go wrong watching Brian's you tube stuff, God knows he has enough free quality stuff out there to teach any serious student. He only hits these shores once a year so I would give some serious thought to getting his basic DVD's and showing up at the walkabout in August. There is also a lot of material around from Richard Nongard and John Cerbone. Great stuff for learning Speed trance variations. Richard and John do a lot of seminars and you can catch up with them about every other month or so. If you look directly to the side of the page you will see Richard's ad and Sean Micheal Andrewa ad. Both are really good ways to cross train in Rapid inductions. If you are in California keep an eye out for Richard Rumble. Richard does occassional traings and is highly recommended. I know somebody is ticked off because I didn't recommend them, but honestly these are the people That I have trained with and had great experiences with. Final thought practice practice, practice.... Play , play , play.
Hugh Cole
Texas Tranceman.
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Permalink Reply by Aino / Akpolarmom on -
Nick, I am at the point in my "hypnocation" (hypnosis education lol) that I am also looking at some of the more rapid / instant inductions. I think, what I have learned from all the wonderful folks that frequent this group, is that you have to go out and just do it. Though I feel very comfortable working with people, I have done most of my inductions/ therapy on SKYPE. So when I started working with a couple people in person, I decided it was time to trust my self and try something a bit more rapid than the 4 - 5 min inductions i normally use. I feared failure ...all the what if's... came out. What if they don't respond ... what if ... it doesn't work the way I want... or if they laughed at me... etc. Of course I was not about to do it in 'public' with any one looking. Now I do not remember how I got, or who gave me the idea on how to gain confidence in actually trying some of them... ( John Cerbone comes to mind... and my first try was his butterfly induction hehe) but I started practicing some of them as secondary induction with a previously installed post hypnotic suggestion for re-hypnosis. That way the client already knew how to enter trance, they were somewhat conditioned and all loved dropping back into trance. It worked as a fractionation and I could do as many I wanted to as it was just part of the deepening process, and an interesting process for the clients. ( they told me so, hehe). I got the practice I needed.
Now of course I need to take the next step. Use it as a first induction, and in public....
Have fun,
Aino
PS I second or third or what ever was said above. Utilize youtube and such to see how to do it . My friend Daniel Jones has also made available quite a large amount of videos, mp3's and discussion questions and answers on his profile/ group. http://www.hypnothoughts.com/profile/danjones
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Permalink Reply by Scott Sandland on -
Hey Nick-
I went to CDM high school a dozen years ago and learned hypnosis when I was about your age.
My office is by fashion island. Come by some time and I'll show you some rapid inductions in person. If you feel what it's like to have one done to you it may help you understand what the subject is experiencing. there are few tricks to make the inductions more successful I can show you that I had to learn the hard way.
You've got some great advice here, and I'm willing to bet you'll get more.
Brian has a weeked class just north of Long Beach in a few weeks that will have a variety of rapid inductions. Lots of the people showing up there will be very experienced teachers and trainers, so that would be a great place t learn too. Most of the people mentioned in this discusion wll be there.
Talk to ya later,
Scott Sandland
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Permalink Reply by Nick Leonard on -
Brian
Thank you so much for your reply. I had no idea how supportive this website really was. It really helped. Im still a little confused (as i am new at this) by what you mean by creating a Utility. Also will you be doing any classes or seminars in California anytime soon. Thanks.
Nick
Brian David Phillips said:Nick, like any induction you must follow immediately with your deepeners which are simply ways to maintain the trance. Instant or rapid techniques are of no value unless you give them utility. The "depth" of the trance is usually much "deeper" than a slower induction, IF YOU CREATE THE UTILITY and take immediate advantage of the state. I have a bias toward using speed inductions - I am one of the so-called speed hypnosis gurus and am teaching a creative walkabout trance event in August and sell a number of speed hypnosis DVD products on my webpages - however, given your previous experience and your hobby interest, you will find that speed techniques are a very valuable toolset, in many contexts such as what you described above they will be far more effective and appropriate inductions as well.
All the best,
Brian
http://www.briandavidphillips.com
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Permalink Reply by Nick Leonard on
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Aino,
Thanks for your reply. Its good to have somebody close to where i am in my "Hypnocation". How many tries did it take for you to be able to use this speed induction?
Nick Leonard
Aino / Akpolarmom said:Nick, I am at the point in my "hypnocation" (hypnosis education lol) that I am also looking at some of the more rapid / instant inductions. I think, what I have learned from all the wonderful folks that frequent this group, is that you have to go out and just do it. Though I feel very comfortable working with people, I have done most of my inductions/ therapy on SKYPE. So when I started working with a couple people in person, I decided it was time to trust my self and try something a bit more rapid than the 4 - 5 min inductions i normally use. I feared failure ...all the what if's... came out. What if they don't respond ... what if ... it doesn't work the way I want... or if they laughed at me... etc. Of course I was not about to do it in 'public' with any one looking. Now I do not remember how I got, or who gave me the idea on how to gain confidence in actually trying some of them... ( John Cerbone comes to mind... and my first try was his butterfly induction hehe) but I started practicing some of them as secondary induction with a previously installed post hypnotic suggestion for re-hypnosis. That way the client already knew how to enter trance, they were somewhat conditioned and all loved dropping back into trance. It worked as a fractionation and I could do as many I wanted to as it was just part of the deepening process, and an interesting process for the clients. ( they told me so, hehe). I got the practice I needed.
Now of course I need to take the next step. Use it as a first induction, and in public....
Have fun,
Aino
PS I second or third or what ever was said above. Utilize youtube and such to see how to do it . My friend Daniel Jones has also made available quite a large amount of videos, mp3's and discussion questions and answers on his profile/ group. http://www.hypnothoughts.com/profile/danjones
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Permalink Reply by Nick Leonard on
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Hugh and Josh,
Thanks for the advice. Im definatly going to have to go to some of those classes. I will definatly check out those people you mentioned Hugh and Josh thanks for recommending those beginner inductions.
Nick Leonard
Joshua Houghton said:I was about to type up a long and quality comment but I noticed your post and said why bother. You took the words right out of my mouth Hugh! I couldn't have said it better. It's all about the set up. Once an instant/rapid induction is set up correctly technically anything can be an induction. Heck, even dropping a pencil!
Many new students focus on performing the induction correctly when in reality it's the other way around. If you have the right set up which includes a pre-talk, which can vary depending on your location. For instance, an office pre-talk will vary from a stage or street hypnosis pre-talk. Then all you need to do is build expectations, which can actually be combined within the pre-talk. Permission is a nice bonus as well, but you can get away with just implied consent. Still, I always like to get verbal permission, but that is just me.
I love the way Brian put it, YOU HAVE TO CREATE THE UTILITY. If you don't then your rapid or instant induction is worthless. It's like going to tie your shoe when you don't have a shoe ;) As far as inductions I have to agree with Hugh. It's completely up to you and your style. If your new to hypnosis it may take you some time to find your style, but believe us you will find it. I personally like the two handed arm drop, but honestly they are all easy and can be made up once everything is set up.
The two handed arm drop is very similar to a basic arm drop induction. Only having a client push down on both of my hands at the same time and once they put a little pressure I remove my hands and use the standard Sleep suggestion. One of my personal favs!
My friend John who posted in this thread has a cool induction based of Expectation which you should try out as well. Simple, yet effective. As Hugh mentioned Brian has a ton of great information available as well. Good luck with everything. Oh, please keep this in mind so you don't confused. You are going to run across many different explantations of Instant and Rapid Inductions and depending on the training that hypnotist received. This doesn't mean one is right and one is wrong. Each person just has their own take and adds their own style. So when learning these inductions or I should say learning the set up. Just remember to keep an open mind.
Josh Houghton
http://www.whatsonmybrain.com
Hugh Cole said:An induction is an induction. is an induction. I don't care what you call it. Prior to the induction you need a pretalk or .. a set up to set expectations and create rapport in your subject. After the induction ... You absolutely need one or more deepeners.and as Brian pointed out you need to create utility to accomplish your desired and targeted outcome. Without a deepner and ongoing utility, a subject will pop back out in seconds after even the best rapid induction,
Which rapid induction is best ??? That depends on which one YOU are most comfortable with. I personally would start with the basic arm tug or arm drop. Learn WHY it works and how it works. Get comfortable with it. Then go on and play with a lot of the "customized" stuff that is out there. You can't go wrong watching Brian's you tube stuff, God knows he has enough free quality stuff out there to teach any serious student. He only hits these shores once a year so I would give some serious thought to getting his basic DVD's and showing up at the walkabout in August. There is also a lot of material around from Richard Nongard and John Cerbone. Great stuff for learning Speed trance variations. Richard and John do a lot of seminars and you can catch up with them about every other month or so. If you look directly to the side of the page you will see Richard's ad and Sean Micheal Andrewa ad. Both are really good ways to cross train in Rapid inductions. If you are in California keep an eye out for Richard Rumble. Richard does occassional traings and is highly recommended. I know somebody is ticked off because I didn't recommend them, but honestly these are the people That I have trained with and had great experiences with. Final thought practice practice, practice.... Play , play , play.
Hugh Cole
Texas Tranceman.
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Permalink Reply by Brian David Phillips on
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Nick Leonard said:Brian, Thank you so much for your reply. I had no idea how supportive this website really was. It really helped. Im still a little confused (as i am new at this) by what you mean by creating a Utility. Also will you be doing any classes or seminars in California anytime soon. Thanks. Nick
Nick, yes, I am teaching seminars in California very soon and the one Aug 15-16 is on the sort of material you have been asking about, WALKABOUT TRANCE BEACH RESORT GETAWAY (http://walkabouttrancebeachresortgetaway.blogspot.com) is a weekend course on creative improvisational speed hypnosis (instant and rapid hypnosis inductions). On Aug. 17, I am teaching a single day in EROTIC HYPNOSIS (http://ehbrg.blogspot.com - must be at least age 21 to attend the erotic event). Both events take place at Redondo Beach, California. Since I live in Asia, I don't get to the States much so these are special events. Folks who have registered for the Walkabout Trance event have a significant discount to attend the extra day Erotic Hypnosis event as the background is quite helpful (although they are independent events so you can attend one without the other).
You can always find my current list of upcoming courses on my webpages at http://www.briandavidphillips.com - since you are looking for hypnosis materials, I would suggest you read the blog there as well as I've a LOT of material there.
By utility, I mean you need to create a usefulness for the trance. If you just pop 'em into trance for the sake of trance without a context and no use or followup deepening or processes then the trance has no utility and they will pop right out of it. If you immediately manage the trance state (deepeners and intensifying their imaginative involvement through suggestions, compounding those suggestions and the trance state, and deepeners in a way that is useful to the trance partner, then you are less likely to have them disregard the state and emerge). As Hugh so eloquently noted, an induction is an induction is an induction . . . you treat everything the same way you would a standard formal induction just you do so much more quickly in a managed manner.
All the best,
Brian
http://www.briandavidphillips.com
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Permalink Reply by Pattie Freeman CH.t, MST on -
I have a few suggestions for you..research someone that you like their style ...and take a course/workshop and practice it till you feel comfortable.
I suggest that getting certified in Hypnosis first so you understand about the DOs and DONTs of Hypnosis and you can see
what it the details are...Once the Hypnosis bug bites you ..you are addicted to learning more....Good Luck..
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Permalink Reply by Sean Michael Andrews on -
Nick:
One common misconception about instant inductions is that the subject does not go as deep into trance as she/he goes with a slower induction. This is not true. Many people will go instantly into somnambulism. In spite of this, I always deepen the subject immediately after triggering the induction.
If you do a "hand drop" or "arm pull" shock induction, always make sure that the subject does not have any neck, shoulder or arm injuries first. I always ask even though that part usually gets edited out of my youtube videos.
-Sean Michael Andrews
www.WorldsFastestHypnotist.com
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