Real Hypnosis

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on April 7, 2011 at 3:26am

I tend to dissagree. 

 

I do not consider myself as the hypnotist to be 'in control', And I do not want the client to imagine that either.

I want my clients to feel empowered, and in charge, I merely take the role of a skilled navigator.  I know from experience various routes to help the client achieve what they want. But they I want them in the pilot's seat, and in charge of their experience. If they decide they do not want to follow the course I have plotted for them, that is their perogative.

 

LOve and hugs,

 

Fable

 

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Permalink Reply by Jonathan Chase on April 7, 2011 at 3:48am

Then whatever it is you are doing it is not the same thing that James Braid did when he coined the term Hypnotising which of course gave us Hypnosis and Hypnotist.

 

I have no doubt a pilot can drive a car, ride  bike and even ski, but when he is flying a plane he is a pilot.

 

If as the navigator You plot the course and do nothing, absolutely nothing else, then you are not in control. But if you tell the client to do anything at all and they do it then you are. Not  to recognise that seems strange to me.

 

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on April 7, 2011 at 7:06am

Yes, you are right Jon,

 

Perhaps I am strange.

as I have a different

understanding

from you.

 

But as the years go by, and with expanded experience, less and less things strike me as strange.

Certainly your understanding does not seem strange to me, and I have come across it

many times before. although I must admit, less and less as the years go by. 

Certainly less and less from professionals in the field.

 

My lack of need to feel 'in control' enables the client to feel like an equal in the process,

and most people with an understanding of how therpay works, would agree that is

ultimately a good thing for all concerned.

 

I do work soley with clients who are seeking help to overcome issues/problems etc,

(thus I unashamedly and correctly use the term therapy).

 

Rest assured that we are using hypnosis, but it does not have to conform to your understanding of the power dynamic.

I am in charge of my role as the hypnotist/hypnotherapist, and the client is in charge of their role as a client.

Two people both in charge, working together as a team,

to find a way of utilising hypnosis that

works for the end goal that

they have chosen to

work on.

 

I am happy with my understanding.

 

Thanks for inviting us to discuss.

 

Love and hugs,

 

Fable

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Permalink Reply by Saul Rosenfeld on April 7, 2011 at 7:49am

Fable,

 

I couldn't have said it any better myself...!!

Sincerely,

 

Saul

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Permalink Reply by Bill Kennedy on April 7, 2011 at 8:25am

Jonathon, 

 

This conversation may be intended to be a light discussion, with good natured arguments going back and forth, but this is a heavy subject for me.  I have known people who lived in the paradigm of the hypnotist being in control, in fact they craved it.  The results were not happy or positive and, in the end, they had to face the fact that the hypnotist was not in control, and that they had to take responsibility for themselves.

 

Delegatus non potest delegare

 

It is as true in life as it is in law.  You cannot give away the free will you have been given.

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on April 7, 2011 at 9:14am

here here!

 Delegatus non potest delegare

Love and hugs,

 

Fable

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Permalink Reply by Graham Old on April 7, 2011 at 1:02pm

Jon,

Isn't it possible that James Braid didn't fully understand what he was doing? After all, Mesmer was pretty far off the point!

I can't think of any other art/technology/industry that argues that we should see things exactly as we did in the 1800s.

Jonathan Chase said:

Then whatever it is you are doing it is not the same thing that James Braid did when he coined the term Hypnotising which of course gave us Hypnosis and Hypnotist.

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Permalink Reply by Saul Rosenfeld on April 7, 2011 at 1:15pm

"I can't think of any other art/technology/industry that argues that we should see things exactly as we did in the 1800s."

 

I can think of ONE, Graham:   practitioners of black magic/witchcraft/satanism.

LOL

 

Saul

 

 

 

 

 

 

Graham Old said:

Jon,

Isn't it possible that James Braid didn't fully understand what he was doing? After all, Mesmer was pretty far off the point!

I can't think of any other art/technology/industry that argues that we should see things exactly as we did in the 1800s.

Jonathan Chase said:

Then whatever it is you are doing it is not the same thing that James Braid did when he coined the term Hypnotising which of course gave us Hypnosis and Hypnotist.

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Permalink Reply by docregal.com on April 7, 2011 at 1:59pm

Jonathan, although I understand and somewhat agree with your perspective, I think on this point we must exercise a bit more care in the wording. How do you feel about this rewrite? "Upon successfully redirecting ones focus and attention with effective measures, the skilled hypnotist can readily seize control of whatever enters the mind of the eager participant by 'properly' utilizing direct suggestions."

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Permalink Reply by Jonathan Chase on April 7, 2011 at 2:48pm

No Doc, I am happy with the word control. Induce means to create not to build a partnership. I have no Need to control but that is what happens. 

 

I agree that psychotherapy performed in a relaxed state can be and useually is a partnership. But that isn't what the word hypnosis was coined to discribe.

 

I also have no problem with words such  as shaman, Mesmerist or even snake oil salesman. Ido however have a slight worry about people not accepting responsibility. :-)

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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on April 7, 2011 at 3:02pm

Dr Briad went on record saying that he didn't know what the hell he was talking about when he coined the term "hypnosis" 

Graham

Graham Old said:

Jon,

Isn't it possible that James Braid didn't fully understand what he was doing? After all, Mesmer was pretty far off the point!

I can't think of any other art/technology/industry that argues that we should see things exactly as we did in the 1800s.

Jonathan Chase said:

Then whatever it is you are doing it is not the same thing that James Braid did when he coined the term Hypnotising which of course gave us Hypnosis and Hypnotist.

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Permalink Reply by bruce on April 7, 2011 at 3:08pm

People want to give up control. That's why they (in part) come to hypnotists. Hypnotists --especially coaches and hypnotherapists-- tend not to like the idea of control because it places more responsibility on them, and admits that clients may be vulnerable. How much control hypnotists have is debatable, but it's silly to deny the fact that we do have some; after all, what is a hypnotic convincer but a demonstration of contol?  Saying something isn't there won't make it go away.

 

 

 

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