Seems I found something that helps. Requesting some feedback

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Permalink Reply by Christopher Baboch on November 23, 2010 at 4:20am

Seems interesting. I think it works because the pain is a signal from the body that something is wrong. So if you manage to convince yourself that thereis nothing wrong, your body will get rid of pain and start repairing the damaged tissue.

Chris

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Permalink Reply by Keithanthony on November 23, 2010 at 5:10am

Most of pain is referred pain nothing to do with the original injury, and can be overcome by using visulalisation techiques to relax the surrounding area and also yoiur perception of the injury.

Similarly? I never think in terms of my illness, I think in terms of my recovery. This immediately boosts our immune system to aid recovery.

Namaste

Keithanthony

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Permalink Reply by Mentat on November 23, 2010 at 5:18am

Emphasizing what is wrong keeps you locked into the condition.
That seems to be what is happening.
And acting as if nothing is wrong loosens such a hold that an injury or condition of various kinds can have on us.
Seems to be the case.








Christopher Baboch said:

Seems interesting. I think it works because the pain is a signal from the body that something is wrong. So if you manage to convince yourself that thereis nothing wrong, your body will get rid of pain and start repairing the damaged tissue.

Chris

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Permalink Reply by Mentat on November 23, 2010 at 5:25am

I don't think most pain is really referred pain or has nothing to do with an original injury.
Might want to question this notion.




Keithanthony said:

Most of pain is referred pain nothing to do with the original injury, and can be overcome by using visulalisation techiques to relax the surrounding area and also yoiur perception of the injury.

Similarly? I never think in terms of my illness, I think in terms of my recovery. This immediately boosts our immune system to aid recovery.

Namaste

Keithanthony

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Permalink Reply by Mentat on November 23, 2010 at 6:47am

I hope I didn't come across the wrong way.
Sorry if I did.
I just don't agree.



Keithanthony said:

Most of pain is referred pain nothing to do with the original injury, and can be overcome by using visulalisation techiques to relax the surrounding area and also yoiur perception of the injury.

Similarly? I never think in terms of my illness, I think in terms of my recovery. This immediately boosts our immune system to aid recovery.

Namaste

Keithanthony

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Permalink Reply by Adrian Tannock on November 23, 2010 at 6:50am

There was a documentary here in the UK about three years ago, following two doctors on their travels as they investigated aspects of comp. medicine. So, for example they went to a rain forest and spent time with a shaman, gauging how he chose / dispensed medicinal plants to sick tribesmen, etc...

In one episode they explored pain relief, and showed a scene where a tough-as-old-boots Himalayan lady had a mercury filling with no anesthetic; hot metal carefully poured into a dental cavity. There was no hypnosis or voodoo (or whatever the himalayan equivalent might be). She explained afterwards that it hurt, but she just didn't let the hurt bother her too much.

Sadly, I can't remember the name of the documentary (I think it was on BBC or Channel 4 here in the UK; you might be able to find it on YouTube) but their conclusion regarding pain was that people do have the capacity to change their experience of it if without the aid of others (including hypnotically), just that we (in the west) tend to be really afraid of pain / don't realise we can change the experience of pain.

Thanks,

Adrian

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Permalink Reply by Keithanthony on November 23, 2010 at 7:01am

Do not worry Mentat, we are here to find the truth not to be agreeable.

I base the majority of my original statements on the way my own back pain was reduced in hours to only estimated 10% of the original pain after it suddenly occured to me to question how my entire back hurt for so many years when my original injury was only one disk in my lower back that must by now be healed?

The pain had been so bad it affected my legs and arms after walking fairly short distances.

So I begun imagining my back relaxing, and bathing the area in imaginary infra red heat. Although I am not a fan of Startrek I also imagined "Bones" waving his magic instant high tech healing wand to penetrate the area. That was great since although the technology isn't yet with us, my unconscious isn't aware of that.

Namaste

Keithanthony



Mentat said:

I hope I didn't come across the wrong way.
Sorry if I did.
I just don't agree.



Keithanthony said:

Most of pain is referred pain nothing to do with the original injury, and can be overcome by using visulalisation techiques to relax the surrounding area and also yoiur perception of the injury.

Similarly? I never think in terms of my illness, I think in terms of my recovery. This immediately boosts our immune system to aid recovery.

Namaste

Keithanthony

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Permalink Reply by Mentat on November 23, 2010 at 7:07am

Thank you for wanting to get at truth. Most people aren't that way.

I've had multiple experiences where the pain was specific and related to specific events that occurred. It wasn't referred at all. I think the back is different. It's a complex thing. It can be referred in the case of the back probably more so than other parts of the body. But also specific pain can cause reffered pain to other areas and tension to a whole region or the whole body really as you've said. But in my case the pain was specific.



Keithanthony said:

Do not worry Mentat, we are here to find the truth not to be agreeable.

I base the majority of my original statements on the way my own back pain was reduced in hours to only estimated 10% of the original pain after it suddenly occured to me to question how my entire back hurt for so many years when my original injury was only one disk in my lower back that must by now be healed?

The pain had been so bad it affected my legs and arms after walking fairly short distances.
After that I imagined my back relaxing bathing the area in imaginary infra red heat. Although I am not a fan of Startrek I also imagined "Bones" waving his magic instant high tech healing wand to penetrate the area. That was great since although the technology isn't yet with us, my unconscious isn't aware of that.

Namaste

Keithanthony



Mentat said:

I hope I didn't come across the wrong way.
Sorry if I did.
I just don't agree.



Keithanthony said:

Most of pain is referred pain nothing to do with the original injury, and can be overcome by using visulalisation techiques to relax the surrounding area and also yoiur perception of the injury.

Similarly? I never think in terms of my illness, I think in terms of my recovery. This immediately boosts our immune system to aid recovery.

Namaste

Keithanthony

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Permalink Reply by Mentat on November 23, 2010 at 7:08am

Thanks for sharing.




Adrian Tannock said:

There was a documentary here in the UK about three years ago, following two doctors on their travels as they investigated aspects of comp. medicine. So, for example they went to a rain forest and spent time with a shaman, gauging how he chose / dispensed medicinal plants to sick tribesmen, etc...

In one episode they explored pain relief, and showed a scene where a tough-as-old-boots Himalayan lady had a mercury filling with no anesthetic; hot metal carefully poured into a dental cavity. There was no hypnosis or voodoo (or whatever the himalayan equivalent might be). She explained afterwards that it hurt, but she just didn't let the hurt bother her too much.

Sadly, I can't remember the name of the documentary (I think it was on BBC or Channel 4 here in the UK; you might be able to find it on YouTube) but their conclusion regarding pain was that people do have the capacity to change their experience of it if without the aid of others (including hypnotically), just that we (in the west) tend to be really afraid of pain / don't realise we can change the experience of pain.

Thanks,

Adrian

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Permalink Reply by Keithanthony on November 23, 2010 at 7:44am

Thanks Mentat

I thought I'd find out a technical definition of referred pain rather than rely on the World according to Keithanthony although splendid chap he is, only my opinion of course! LOL

Definition: Referred pain is the phenomenon of pain being felt in an area away from the actual source of the pain.

A common example of referred pain is the shoulder pain that often happens when a person is having a gallbladder attack. Even though the gallbladder is located in the abdomen, patients may actually feel the pain in their shoulder, typically the right shoulder.

Another example of referred pain that people are familiar with is left arm pain during a heart attack.

Modern medicine hasn't entirely explained the reasons behind referred pain, however, the most common theory is that strong pain messages running along nerves either "leap" or "overwhelm" adjacent nerves, causing pain to be felt where that series of nerves originates.

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Permalink Reply by CindyLou on November 23, 2010 at 7:48am

I think it has to do with expectations and beliefs. Beliefs are limited thoughts that beg to be proven right. An expectation normally is that which has its base in a belief. However, sometimes an expectation can "make" a belief. If you are on the fence about X, and decide to just expect it to happen. It generally will. If your core belief goes against this belief/expectation, then it may not work, or only be temporary change.

Let me explain by giving an example:

I wrenched my back recently. I do self-healing, but this back pain just didn't want to budge. After a few days of barely walking, it got somewhat better. But there still was that general aching and a specific spot that hurt when I moved a certain way. A day or so of that, and I got tired of dealing with it. I decided it was time the problem went away. Since it had healed somewhat, I knew I could heal the rest, and expected it to do so. It did.

Explanation:

The belief in question entered at the onset. I've had this back pain happen before I learned self-healing, and the result was chiropractors, and an ultimate of changing of careers due to this pain. So this time I had that worry (edging towards a belief) that something was so wrong I couldn't heal it. (I'm getting older now, and ppl say that's what happens.) I got the phone number for a chiropractor just in case, and kept trying to heal it myself. But I wasn't able to (belief proven).

Since I have had various back pains that I have healed, I knew that in time it would correct itself. And for the most part, it did (belief proven).

Then there was the lingering occasional irritation of pain while getting up from sitting. There was this defining moment where I knew I could keep feeling the pain or make it go away. There was subconscious thoughts going on making this decision: do I stay a victim to the pain and continue with all the attention I was getting from my back pain, or just get rid of it and get back to normal? Consciously, I decided to get rid of it, and just expected it to be gone. And for the most part, it has left.

Now, the core belief --the belief that supersedes all of this--is an internal struggle between the common belief that getting older creates more pains, body deterioration, and physical ailments vs. this is JUST a belief and not a truth. Peer pressure is very powerful, and I hate to admit that the former belief is a little bit more prevalent. I struggle with that now.

I wish the world would believe in self-healing, but they don't seem to. Sometimes it feels like I'm out here alone, rejected when I tell someone I do self-healing and/or suggest that they, too, can heal themselves. They don't want to hear about it, they are stuck in their belief, trying to prove it. *Sigh*

Cindy

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Permalink Reply by Keithanthony on November 23, 2010 at 8:09am

@Cindy

You are of course right, when I had arthritis set in many years ago my doctor told me to accept it, incurable. I told him I had suffered illness enough throughout my life, and that I would cure the Arthritis myself using only mind. He laughed at me.

I however cured the arthritis, assuming that it really was arthritis, and I have learned to take what my GP's say with a pinch of salt.

What I did was so easy. I decided that curing my arthritis was my latest all consuming hobby. Then I visualised that every time I felt any indicator of the condition in a joint that a little person inside the join made a call to brain so it was something like this, "Middle finger knuckle to brain come in please?" "Yes this is brain report please?" finger responds, "Well brain need your attention, in the region of middle finger knuckle maintenance is required!" Brain replies, "Help has arrived, stand by and please continue to monitor for immediate results!"

I made a point of doing top ups even when there was no pain. After a time I became aware that this was continuing without my conscious effort and I believe I have engaged now my bodies natural ability to repair although it seems my hairline is in disagreement!

When we practice long enough we experience at first unconscious incompetence, then conscious incompetence, and then conscious competence, finally unconscious competence



Namaste

Keithanthony

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