Self hypnosis

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Permalink Reply by Pete & Lorraine on June 23, 2010 at 2:14am

At the end of the day it is an altered state of mind where there is easier access to the subconscious mind to help make changes in behaviour, emotions, beliefs, habits. This state of mind has been called Hypnosis, it is a recognised descriptive word for a state of consciousness, I think by disecting words that people have an understanding or have an idea of what it means causes confusion for many. Relaxation techniques are used to get to a hypnotic state, an altered state of mind, which can open your subconscious to suggestion either by yourself or by another. I would say being hypntised by another is more effective as they are working from outside of you. They dont have your limitations on how you see your world, though they can help you change how you see it or clarify your perspective, using psychotherpy techniques, letting go of negative emotional ties to a situation, letting go of negative behaviours and habits. Or just doing direct suggestion, which is effectively what you are doing with selfhypnosis, which many find successful.

Pete

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on June 23, 2010 at 7:02am

Being that I define hypnosis as simply the purposeful induction and deepening of a trance state, by any means that is successful....If you do it to yourself, it is self hypnosis.

A trance state is simply a naturally occurring mental state with which we automatically react to outside input. Hypnosis takes advantage of this by realizing that the outside input we automatically react to, can be in the form of a suggestion.

I hope that is understandable the way that I said it
John

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Permalink Reply by Keith Hall on June 23, 2010 at 9:46pm

Yes, self hypnosis does exist and works well. I have had excellent successful experience using self hypnosis for pain reduction/elimination such as for major dental extractions and other surgery or medical situations where there is to be invasive procedures used to repair some problem. It is very enjoyable to not have to experience pain after these procedures without drugs.
I also use it for personal self improvement. Major work I prefer to work with another hypnotist and define what is to be worked on and the basic direction that might be beneficial. This is in agreement with Peter and Lorraiine above.

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Permalink Reply by Jan Krüger on June 24, 2010 at 10:53am

All hypnosis is not self-hypnosis (we've had that discussion in the past, by the way), but self-hypnosis definitely is more than relaxation techniques. I don't actually do any relaxing most of the time when I do self-hypnosis, but I can easily create several phenomena such as proprioceptive illusions (which, by the way, are quite interesting).

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Permalink Reply by docregal.com on June 24, 2010 at 12:28pm

Does self hypnosis exist? Yes, for many people. Is it just another label? For some people, it is. Also, being hypnotised by someone else is this "proper" hypnosis? It is, "proper" when conducted by a professional. Is this way faster and more effective than doing "self hypnosis? For new initiates to hypnosis, being hypnotized by another is oftentimes faster and more effective. I am beginining to agree with some mentors that all hypnosis is not self hypnosis and "hypnosis" can only occur when hypnotised by another. If you are using a restrictive definition on hypnosis, then you might say something like "Hypnosis is monoideism, the fixation upon a single idea." In the strictest sense, isolating this unattached notion is akin to saying meditation requires the attainment of enlightenment to be valid. Anything else is using some form of relaxation techniques. Does not meditation require "wisdom-being" as a Bodhisattva?

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Permalink Reply by Henxy on June 25, 2010 at 9:39am

I think that hetero hypnosis is hypnosis, and homo hypnosis isn't half as good, as I believe that the person needs an external influence, rather than themselves to aid the process. I think it was Freud who held the belief that the mind from which the problem arose cannot provide the solution.

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Permalink Reply by Keith Buckley on June 25, 2010 at 10:15am

I agree. I think hypnosis from "outside" is more powerful and effective than "doing it to oneself". I am fascinated by the effects stage hypnosis has on volunteers, the hypnotic suggestions appear to be so immediate and powerful, it would really be beneficial to clients in a clinical setting to recreate the rapid results achieved by stage hypnotism. I am travelling to Blackpool next month to attend Ken Webster's show as I hear he is one of the best stage hypnotists. I would love to incorporate "rapid techniques" from stage hypnosis into my clinical work.

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Permalink Reply by Jan Krüger on June 25, 2010 at 11:27am

Henxy said:

I think it was Freud who held the belief that the mind from which the problem arose cannot provide the solution.

Freud had lots of weird ideas. Not exactly my go-to guy for The Truth. Also, simply using hypnosis for hypnotic effects hardly involves a "problem" that "arose" in someone's mind.
I agree that problems have a tendency to be solved more quickly with outside influence, but if there's no problem, I don't see the problem.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Andrade on June 25, 2010 at 1:12pm

Hello Henxy,
Was it this quote?
Albert Einstein Quotes. No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it. Albert Einstein


Henxy said:

I think that hetero hypnosis is hypnosis, and homo hypnosis isn't half as good, as I believe that the person needs an external influence, rather than themselves to aid the process. I think it was Freud who held the belief that the mind from which the problem arose cannot provide the solution.

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Permalink Reply by Keith Hall on June 25, 2010 at 8:45pm

Steve's Einstein quote is very similar to the one I have seen: "You can not solve a problem with the same mind that created it" Einstein.
Now using different levels of consciousness is a different mind. Thanks Steve, this helped to expand my mind. This forum has great opportunity for growth and learning, thanks all.

Steve Andrade said:

Hello Henxy,
Was it this quote?
Albert Einstein Quotes. No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it. Albert Einstein


Henxy said:

I think that hetero hypnosis is hypnosis, and homo hypnosis isn't half as good, as I believe that the person needs an external influence, rather than themselves to aid the process. I think it was Freud who held the belief that the mind from which the problem arose cannot provide the solution.

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Permalink Reply by Henxy on June 28, 2010 at 12:20am

Keith, that's the quote I read before.
Steve, thanks, and missing you! X

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Permalink Reply by Steve Andrade on June 28, 2010 at 4:42am

Keith Hall said:

Steve's Einstein quote is very similar to the one I have seen: "You can not solve a problem with the same mind that created it" Einstein.
Now using different levels of consciousness is a different mind. Thanks Steve, this helped to expand my mind. This forum has great opportunity for growth and learning, thanks all. Steve Andrade said:

Hello Henxy,
Was it this quote?
Albert Einstein Quotes. No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it. Albert Einstein

Keith,
I had always heard it this way too, "You can not solve a problem with the same mind that created it." Which helped me to find solutions outside of my, at the time, my own present thinking. I am grateful I heard it in its simplified form first. I understand the original much better now but it probably wouldn't have had the wonderful effect on me had I heard it the original way first. One never knows, and again, one always knows.

Henxy,
Me too.

Enjoy,
Steve

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