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Severe Anxiety
I wonder if any of you bright sparks might help me with a client who is very anxious and is unable to make a decision. I have tried all the usual things, done age regression (didn't go well, she got sick feeling in stomach, which she has most days anyway) but enjoyed simple direct suggestions of "I am calm and relaxed etc". She is on medication and her illness runs in the family. Her father has Alzheimers disease, mother is an anxious mess. I have tried various scripts for anxiety, but she keeps asking me the same question, such as "do you think because I had too much sugar yesterday (the perceived reason can be anything and everything) is the reason I am this way?" Do you think I should go back to my job? (She had to leave because she drove everyone nuts with her constant uncertainty and questions)...do you think...what do you think...I just don't know what to do...I can't decide what to do..." And so on. She is 56 and has been well until recently but has gradually got worse and worse (according to local woman who knows her well).
She feels much better for one day after seeing me but then relapses to same old same old.
I guess I should give up and leave her to the medical profession as obviously she is quite mentally ill, though still functioning in many ways. What else could I try? Any ideas?
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Permalink Reply by Janice Vivienne Shaw on -
I live in a rural area of NZ. There are no other hypnotherapists here. I am the best around. I saw my client today and she says she has had a really good week and is much better. I'm not done with her yet but I'm getting there.
Jonathan Chase said:I think you should give up also. But send her to a hypnotist who uses direct methods. Her anxiety needs to be controlled and you won't do that with scripts.... ye gods.
She needs to be banged under and told quite simply that she can stop asking the questions now. If she gets the question she gets the answer at the same time and her answers re soooo much better than anyone elses.
Then do some simple symbolism with her to restructure her patterning.
I know you are not trained in these techniques otherwise you would have seen a result, so please. Pas her on to someone who can do the job.
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Permalink Reply by Janice Vivienne Shaw on
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Donna Rodolph said:
Thank you so much, a great help. I don't get alot of clients here, such a small area and the people are not very used to wierd stuff like hypnosis, but they tolerate me well.Janice,
My thoughts as they occur:
- I haven't noticed anyone mention desensitization - which I have found very useful with people who have anxiety/panic. One more area for you to research.
- Also, you need to believe you can help her. Your body language is telling its own story, if YOU don't believe you can help her... it doesn't bode well. Your last sentence indicates your frustration.
- I have suffered with anxiety (of which you speak) and I am a changed woman because of hypnosis - it does work and you can do it! (you can research the threads here - because anxiety is talked about many times on hypnothoughts and there are many people who offer some great advice).
- You should listen to her...if she indicates by saying "Do you think I had too much sugar yesterday" this is a clue that YES she had too much sugar yesterday. People who suffer from anxiety need to avoid processed sugar and throw in some good protein throughout the day to find out if a drop in blood sugar is one of the root causes of their issue. One way to see if blood sugar is an issue is, when she feels anxious...eat some raw almonds (or some other healthy protein) and if she feels a bit better (to a huge amount better) about 15 minutes later...blood sugar could be a huge problem for her. Or better yet, eat a bit of protein every hour or two...just for good measure...and see how she feels after a few days of doing this.
- You indicated her illness runs in the family. Sounds like she has bought into the idea that she has an illness. (did you buy into it also?) Would it be a good idea to find a way to have her buy into the thought that anxiety is a behavior... and just like any learned behavior, she can learn a new behavior? (the explanation of how neurons that fire together wire together would be a great example of how behavior can change).
Yes that should work with her, she works very hard at it and is basically a positive person - and has a good sense of humour. And yes, we have done some work on "learning a new behaviour".
Very interesting, your comments about sugar and diet. Yes, I will try that with her. She recently lost 15 kilos she tells me, I can see she has been overweight.
The combination of...desensitizing & learning a new behavior with making sure her blood sugar is balanced - these are three areas I would look at - for sure.
- A person can't be happy and laughing and feeling fear and anxiety at the same time. An anchor of happy laughing - sounds like it could be in order.
- Also, if using a script is what works for you - do it. It is interesting...br /> Yes I use scripts, but they give me the ideas and I change them to suit the client, obviously. Some of them are excellent and I do learn alot from them. I don't have the "gift of the gab" to just spin along without some help. I admire people who can and maybe one day I will be able to, who knows. BR>you see...
I am... extremely smart (~grin) and I started out on scripts. I find it interesting some of the people who say they never use scripts? What? Whatever... good for them.
It has taken a good year or so for me to feel like I know the ropes, I know what is needed, to make scripts of my own, to go off on random metaphors when needed for a specific client. A good year. Now...3 years into it, I still get ideas from scripts, research...research...research.
I love reading other peoples scripts, taking what I need...leaving what I don't. They are a great learning tool and sometimes it really helps to get your thoughts in order. Yes, exactly.
It may be indicated by some people that if you want a script - you might be beneath them... it's hogwash. ~yeppa~
I started out by learning scripts, I'm becoming a damn fine hypnotist, and... I have no issue saying... "I've used 'em and I'll use 'em again if I want to."
Those are my thoughts for now.
Best of luck to you,
~D.
"sharing, growing, learning"
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Permalink Reply by Janice Vivienne Shaw on
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My reply seems to have disappeared. Thank you very much, I will discuss her diet and the sugar, there could be something there and all the other suggestions you mentioned. Much appreciated.
Donna Rodolph said:Janice,
My thoughts as they occur:
- I haven't noticed anyone mention desensitization - which I have found very useful with people who have anxiety/panic. One more area for you to research.
- Also, you need to believe you can help her. Your body language is telling its own story, if YOU don't believe you can help her... it doesn't bode well. Your last sentence indicates your frustration.
- I have suffered with anxiety (of which you speak) and I am a changed woman because of hypnosis - it does work and you can do it! (you can research the threads here - because anxiety is talked about many times on hypnothoughts and there are many people who offer some great advice).
- You should listen to her...if she indicates by saying "Do you think I had too much sugar yesterday" this is a clue that YES she had too much sugar yesterday. People who suffer from anxiety need to avoid processed sugar and throw in some good protein throughout the day to find out if a drop in blood sugar is one of the root causes of their issue. One way to see if blood sugar is an issue is, when she feels anxious...eat some raw almonds (or some other healthy protein) and if she feels a bit better (to a huge amount better) about 15 minutes later...blood sugar could be a huge problem for her. Or better yet, eat a bit of protein every hour or two...just for good measure...and see how she feels after a few days of doing this.
- You indicated her illness runs in the family. Sounds like she has bought into the idea that she has an illness. (did you buy into it also?) Would it be a good idea to find a way to have her buy into the thought that anxiety is a behavior... and just like any learned behavior, she can learn a new behavior? (the explanation of how neurons that fire together wire together would be a great example of how behavior can change).
The combination of...desensitizing & learning a new behavior with making sure her blood sugar is balanced - these are three areas I would look at - for sure.
- A person can't be happy and laughing and feeling fear and anxiety at the same time. An anchor of happy laughing - sounds like it could be in order.
- Also, if using a script is what works for you - do it. It is interesting...
you see...
I am... extremely smart (~grin) and I started out on scripts. I find it interesting some of the people who say they never use scripts? What? Whatever... good for them.
It has taken a good year or so for me to feel like I know the ropes, I know what is needed, to make scripts of my own, to go off on random metaphors when needed for a specific client. A good year. Now...3 years into it, I still get ideas from scripts, research...research...research.
I love reading other peoples scripts, taking what I need...leaving what I don't. They are a great learning tool and sometimes it really helps to get your thoughts in order. It may be indicated by some people that if you want a script - you might be beneath them... it's hogwash. ~yeppa~
I started out by learning scripts, I'm becoming a damn fine hypnotist, and... I have no issue saying... "I've used 'em and I'll use 'em again if I want to."
Those are my thoughts for now.
Best of luck to you,
~D.
"sharing, growing, learning"
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Permalink Reply by Jonathan Chase on -
Good for you.
Just change her mind. DO NOT REGRESS! What is buried is best left. There is no evidence to show regression works and loads to show it can be detrimental. Even if you do regress you will still have to change the patterns she is running now - which is nothing more than habitual behavioural response - for a more productive one in the future.
Smiles
JonChase
http://jonathanchase.com
Janice Vivienne Shaw said:I live in a rural area of NZ. There are no other hypnotherapists here. I am the best around. I saw my client today and she says she has had a really good week and is much better. I'm not done with her yet but I'm getting there.
Jonathan Chase said:I think you should give up also. But send her to a hypnotist who uses direct methods. Her anxiety needs to be controlled and you won't do that with scripts.... ye gods.
She needs to be banged under and told quite simply that she can stop asking the questions now. If she gets the question she gets the answer at the same time and her answers re soooo much better than anyone elses.
Then do some simple symbolism with her to restructure her patterning.
I know you are not trained in these techniques otherwise you would have seen a result, so please. Pas her on to someone who can do the job.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on -
Hello Janice,
Glad to hear that your client is improving -- You Go "Girl"
JonC gave you excellent advice: "Just change her mind." because when you help a client change their mind, it changes their brains and physiology and primes their brains for learning new behaviors--
Keeping in mind it is we who empower the techniques that we use and understanding there is no magic in any technique... I offer you a technique - Market the belief that going through this process will help her off-load and decondition any lingering anxiety and a deep felt sense of well-being and confidence will take its place... Blah, blah, blah...
You could induce a trance and pick up the technique at the end of the link below or you can use the technique without conventional entrancement as the process is an induction--
The Ellner/Barsky "Do-it-Yourself" Emotional Detox
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7xp-hacrwo
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Permalink Reply by Paul Dennehy (Paul Dee) on -
Hi Janice. Are you on Skype? I'd like to chat about your client.
Regards,
Paul
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Permalink Reply by Paul Dennehy (Paul Dee) on
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Hi Jonathon,
Wow! You speak volumes in such few words! Can you point me in any direction as to where ths evidence is/isn't published please?
Paul
Jonathan Chase said:Good for you.
Just change her mind. DO NOT REGRESS! What is buried is best left. There is no evidence to show regression works and loads to show it can be detrimental. Even if you do regress you will still have to change the patterns she is running now - which is nothing more than habitual behavioural response - for a more productive one in the future.
Smiles
JonChase
http://jonathanchase.com
Janice Vivienne Shaw said:I live in a rural area of NZ. There are no other hypnotherapists here. I am the best around. I saw my client today and she says she has had a really good week and is much better. I'm not done with her yet but I'm getting there.
Jonathan Chase said:I think you should give up also. But send her to a hypnotist who uses direct methods. Her anxiety needs to be controlled and you won't do that with scripts.... ye gods.
She needs to be banged under and told quite simply that she can stop asking the questions now. If she gets the question she gets the answer at the same time and her answers re soooo much better than anyone elses.
Then do some simple symbolism with her to restructure her patterning.
I know you are not trained in these techniques otherwise you would have seen a result, so please. Pas her on to someone who can do the job.
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Permalink Reply by AJ on -
With respect to addressing your client's weak sense of self-confidence in decision making, it may be helpful to do the following, because unresolved anxiety issues are often a result of low self-esteem.
1. Have client revivify her negative experiences that undermined her self-confidence via regression.
2. Assist client in forgiving the perpetrator via gestalt techniques.
3. Redirect client with positive suggestions for ego strengthening via direct suggestion.
If other negative factors are involved, then energy release work may also be incorporated.
Doc Regal
regalhypnosis.com
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Permalink Reply by Janice Vivienne Shaw on
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Sorry no, not on skype. I am amazed at all of the wonderful advice I've been getting and makes the whole process quite exciting for me - as well as feeling supported (if told off at times). I am suspecious of any improvement in my client (which is happening by the way) until I can be sure it is due to what I do with her and not the medication. I think our meds all have different names to yours anyway so not much point in reporting what they are. I have thought about skype, but I'm quite busy as I have my own pizza bar here and might take on the catering at the local golf club as well.
Paul Dennehy (Paul Dee) said:Hi Janice. Are you on Skype? I'd like to chat about your client.
Regards,
Paul
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Permalink Reply by Craig Homonnay on -
Regress or not to regress ??
Many roads lead to Rome ( or as Matt Sison says "All roads lead to Rome").....I personally prefer to do regression for these types of issues (particularly in the style that Randy advocates ) but I do not believe that there is only one way to do anything ...
The more tools you have at your disposal the better ....:-)
Craig
Jonathan Chase said:Good for you.
Just change her mind. DO NOT REGRESS! What is buried is best left. There is no evidence to show regression works and loads to show it can be detrimental. Even if you do regress you will still have to change the patterns she is running now - which is nothing more than habitual behavioural response - for a more productive one in the future.
Smiles
JonChase
http://jonathanchase.com
Janice Vivienne Shaw said:I live in a rural area of NZ. There are no other hypnotherapists here. I am the best around. I saw my client today and she says she has had a really good week and is much better. I'm not done with her yet but I'm getting there.
Jonathan Chase said:I think you should give up also. But send her to a hypnotist who uses direct methods. Her anxiety needs to be controlled and you won't do that with scripts.... ye gods.
She needs to be banged under and told quite simply that she can stop asking the questions now. If she gets the question she gets the answer at the same time and her answers re soooo much better than anyone elses.
Then do some simple symbolism with her to restructure her patterning.
I know you are not trained in these techniques otherwise you would have seen a result, so please. Pas her on to someone who can do the job.
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Permalink Reply by Randy Shaw on
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Janice and Craig,
Hang in there, you just found one short coming of posting: you'll get so many "answers" that it becomes confusing.
Don't worry about the fear you'll hear about regression, it always comes from those who are afraid of it and understand it the least. Just stick with your heart and training to help folks get healing. Janice, again, just slow down and follow your intuition, and the methods you can provide that will help will come to your awareness. It is up to you to decide. Slow down and access your own wisdom. Trust your own "still small voice".
Breathe, and relax,
Randy
Craig Homonnay said:Regress or not to regress ??
Many roads lead to Rome ( or as Matt Sison says "All roads lead to Rome").....I personally prefer to do regression for these types of issues (particularly in the style that Randy advocates ) but I do not believe that there is only one way to do anything ...
The more tools you have at your disposal the better ....:-)
Craig
Jonathan Chase said:Good for you.
Just change her mind. DO NOT REGRESS! What is buried is best left. There is no evidence to show regression works and loads to show it can be detrimental. Even if you do regress you will still have to change the patterns she is running now - which is nothing more than habitual behavioural response - for a more productive one in the future.
Smiles
JonChase
http://jonathanchase.com
Janice Vivienne Shaw said:I live in a rural area of NZ. There are no other hypnotherapists here. I am the best around. I saw my client today and she says she has had a really good week and is much better. I'm not done with her yet but I'm getting there.
Jonathan Chase said:I think you should give up also. But send her to a hypnotist who uses direct methods. Her anxiety needs to be controlled and you won't do that with scripts.... ye gods.
She needs to be banged under and told quite simply that she can stop asking the questions now. If she gets the question she gets the answer at the same time and her answers re soooo much better than anyone elses.
Then do some simple symbolism with her to restructure her patterning.
I know you are not trained in these techniques otherwise you would have seen a result, so please. Pas her on to someone who can do the job.
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Permalink Reply by Pattie Freeman CH.t, MST on -
Anxiety is one of the hardest for all of us I think..because it can be something that is deep seeded a imprint ot anything can trigger it. Usually when I work with people with anxiety/stress I use Parts Tnerapy its a sure thing that helps with everything.
Just a thought..
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