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Should Hypnosis Professionals claim Energy Healing as an unrecognized and/or unacknowledged form of hypnotic practice?
I am posting this as a talking point --
FYI - Reiki and Therapeutic Touch are under attack for the exact same reason Animal Magnetism was debunked all those years ago. Please understand that no one is questioning whether Reiki or TT is helpful - they are. The attacks are on the underlying theory of why Reiki and Therapeutic Touch help. Effectiveness is ignored when the theory can be debunked.
The two items below are frontal attacks on TT and Reiki based on the theory of why they work. Those who know me have often heard me share that I find the failure of most certified hypnotists to recognize the parallels between modern Energy Healing Modalities and Animal Magnetism mind-blowing! I do not believe that there is any magic in Reiki, Therapeutic Touch, Healing Touch or EFT in the same way I do not believe that there is any magic in any of the hypnotic techniques that we use. The magic is in our clients' beliefs and excited imaginations....The magic is in moving out of chronic "fight or flight states" and into "rest and digest states" simply because a body is unable to heal itself when in stress states.
In terms of science, there is no proof that energy is being transfered from healer to the patient/client. On the other hand, I am aware that most licensed drugs sold to the public do not work for most of the people taking them most of the time. What we have here is a classic case of people in Conventional Medical Glass Houses throwing rocks at people in Non-Conventional Medical Glass Houses.
I believe the attacks are greed and authority based. Reiki, Therapeutic Touch, Healing Touch and EFT are gaining acceptance and the powers-that-be don't like it! One reason they are gaining acceptance now is not being discussed - that is how the public has been socially conditioned for years to put more trust in external influences than in their own amazing inner-resources. How sad!
I wonder how many readers will understand that the amendment to the Health Care bill being discussed below is for protecting licensed health care professionals who practice Alternative Medicine. Even licensed MDs, DOs and RNs are currently at risk for censure, fines and delicensing for practicing Alternative Medicine, depending on where they practice.
Snip: "Now senators Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), and Barbara Mikulski (D-Maryland), along with support from the ranking member on the Senate health committee Senator Mike Enzi (R-Wyoming), are sponsoring an amendment to the health care reform bill which would support funding for alternative medicine, and also require all insurance companies to cover state-licensed alternative medicine providers, under the guise of prohibiting "discrimination" against such providers." Unsnip
What do you think?
Michael E.
PRESS RELEASE
For Immediate Release
September 28, 2009
Contact: Nathan Bupp
Phone: (716) 636-4869 x 218
E-mail: nbupp@centerforinquiry.net
Think Tank Objects to Taxpayer Funding for Therapeutic
Touch, other Alternative Medicine Therapies
Health-care reform should prohibit the use of taxpayer dollars
to cover non-evidence-based medicine, says CFI report
(Washington, D.C.) --The Center for Inquiry’s
Office of Public Policy (OPP), a group that lobbies for sound science in government policy, today released a report titled A Fracture in our Health Care: Paying for Non-Evidence Based Medicine. The report is highly critical of an effort underway to amend current health care reform legislation with provisions
allowing taxpayer dollars to support unsubstantiated “alternative”
medical treatments.
Americans are increasingly turning to various forms of
alternative medicine.The Washington Post has reported that
38% of adults in the United States have turned to acupuncturists, holistic chiropractors, herbal and homeopathic healers, and various other forms of non-standard treatments. Now
senators Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), and Barbara Mikulski
(D-Maryland), along with support from the ranking member on
the Senate health committee Senator Mike Enzi (R-Wyoming),
are sponsoring an amendment to the health care
reform bill which would support funding for alternative medicine,
and also require all insurance companies to cover
state-licensed alternative medicine providers, under the guise
of prohibiting "discrimination" against such providers.
“Our report seeks to sound some alarm bells: we are coming
dangerously close to having lawmakers legitimize quackery by
putting the government stamp of approval on these unproven
treatments,” said Ronald A. Lindsay, President and CEO of the
Center for Inquiry. “We call upon the legislative branch to follow
President Obama’s lead and insist that public policy be informed
by sound scientific evidence.”
The CFI report focuses specifically on the lack of evidence for
therapeutic touch (TT), an example of the kind of
non-evidence-based medicine that would be covered under the
Harkin amendment. During therapeutic touch, practitioners
purport to massage the patient's "biomagnetic field" with their
hands. The report exposes this as nonsense, revealing that the
purported magnetic field is far too weak to affect any biochemical processes, and is billions of times less energetic than the energy our eye receives when viewing even the brightest star
in the night sky. The report points out that a study published
in The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA)
found that “Twenty-one experienced TT practitioners were
unable to detect the investigators ‘energy field’. Their failure to
substantiate TT’s most fundamental claim is unrefuted evidence
that the claims of TT are groundless and that further professional use is unjustified.”
“CFI strongly opposes the wasting of taxpayer dollars on this and other non-evidence based medicine,” said Dr. Lindsay.
Dr. Wallace Sampson, a well-known critic of alternative medicine
and a fellow of the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry, an affiliate of
CFI, said “Therapeutic Touch, an example of ‘Distant Healing,’ is
a scientific absurdity. This is bold foolishness, elected
representatives legislating into policy their own personal delusions. This is abuse of public office; and reason enough for recall or being voted out of office.” The Center for Inquiry’s
specific policy recommendations contained in the report are
as follows:
Government should spend no taxpayer dollars in support of
any alleged medical treatments or healing protocols, such
as Therapeutic Touch, that have no grounding in experiment or in our understanding of basic scientific fact.
Any health care reform bill Congress passes should prohibit the use of taxpayer dollars to cover non-evidence-based medicine.
Congress should greatly reduce or eliminate funding for the
NIH National Center for Complementary and Alternative
Medicine (NCCAM), as a decade of study has shown that
most alternative cures work no better than placebos.
“The United States can ill afford to continue wasting precious
resources on unproven – and often disproven – medical
techniques. (In the process of) reining in the ballooning cost of
medical care, every dollar of health care funding is needed to
provide tested, proven medical treatment to those who require it. It is inexcusable to squander scarce resources by funding unsubstantiated, non-evidence-based medical techniques that
have no basis in theory or experiment,” states the report.
A Fracture in our Health Care: Paying for Non-Evidence Based
Medicine was authored by Eugenie V. Mielczarek, emeritus
professor of physics at George Mason University in Fairfax,
VA., with assistance from Derek C. Araujo, general counsel of
the Center for Inquiry; Adam Magazine, a volunteer attorney
for CFI in New York City; and Lori Sommerfelt, a sociology major
at American University in Washington, DC.
A downloadable PDF copy of the full report is available
online atwww.centerforinquiry.net/touch.
The Center for Inquiry (CFI) is a nonprofit, educational,
advocacy, and scientific-research think tank based in Amherst,
New York committed to fostering a secular society based on
science, reason, freedom of inquiry, and humanist values.
The Center’s Web site iswww.centerforinquiry.net . CFI’s Office
of Public Policy (OPP) is the Washington D.C .lobbying arm of
the Center for Inquiry. The OPP’s mandate is to lobby Congress
and the Administration on issues related to science and
secularism. Their Web site can be found
at www.centerforinquiry.net/opp
###
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Reiki banned at U.S. Catholic hospitals
Posted on: Tuesday, 22 September 2009, 23:07 CDT
The Catholic Church has banned promotion of reiki from its U.S. hospitals, with bishops saying it has no scientific or religious backing.
Debbie Griseuk learned about the Japanese healing technique at St. Joseph's Hospital in Manchester, N.H. She had to close her volunteer clinic there after the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops made its decision in the spring.
The hospital says patients who request reiki will get it but there will be no more classes.
“The bishops did not do their research,'' Griseuk told the Boston Globe.”Reiki is not a belief system, not a cult, not a weirdo thing.''
Reiki practitioners place their hands just above “energy points” on patients' bodies to transfer positive energy. The practice, developed by a Japanese doctor about a century ago, is supposed to stimulate the immune system.
Researchers who have done studies of reiki suggest its benefits come from the placebo effect.
“Without justification either from Christian faith or natural science, a Catholic who puts his or her trust in reiki would be operating in the realm of superstition, the no-man's-land that is neither faith nor science,'' the bishops said in guidelines. ”Superstition corrupts one's worship of God by turning one's religious feeling and practice in a false direction.''
Source: United Press International
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FYI - Reiki and Therapeutic Touch are under attack for the exact same reason Animal Magnetism was debunked all those years ago. Please understand that no one is questioning whether Reiki or TT is helpful - they are. The attacks are on the underlying theory of why Reiki and Therapeutic Touch help. Effectiveness is ignored when the theory can be debunked.
The two items below are frontal attacks on TT and Reiki based on the theory of why they work. Those who know me have often heard me share that I find the failure of most certified hypnotists to recognize the parallels between modern Energy Healing Modalities and Animal Magnetism mind-blowing! I do not believe that there is any magic in Reiki, Therapeutic Touch, Healing Touch or EFT in the same way I do not believe that there is any magic in any of the hypnotic techniques that we use. The magic is in our clients' beliefs and excited imaginations....The magic is in moving out of chronic "fight or flight states" and into "rest and digest states" simply because a body is unable to heal itself when in stress states.
In terms of science, there is no proof that energy is being transfered from healer to the patient/client. On the other hand, I am aware that most licensed drugs sold to the public do not work for most of the people taking them most of the time. What we have here is a classic case of people in Conventional Medical Glass Houses throwing rocks at people in Non-Conventional Medical Glass Houses.
I believe the attacks are greed and authority based. Reiki, Therapeutic Touch, Healing Touch and EFT are gaining acceptance and the powers-that-be don't like it! One reason they are gaining acceptance now is not being discussed - that is how the public has been socially conditioned for years to put more trust in external influences than in their own amazing inner-resources. How sad!
I wonder how many readers will understand that the amendment to the Health Care bill being discussed below is for protecting licensed health care professionals who practice Alternative Medicine. Even licensed MDs, DOs and RNs are currently at risk for censure, fines and delicensing for practicing Alternative Medicine, depending on where they practice.
Snip: "Now senators Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), and Barbara Mikulski (D-Maryland), along with support from the ranking member on the Senate health committee Senator Mike Enzi (R-Wyoming), are sponsoring an amendment to the health care reform bill which would support funding for alternative medicine, and also require all insurance companies to cover state-licensed alternative medicine providers, under the guise of prohibiting "discrimination" against such providers." Unsnip
What do you think?
Michael E.
PRESS RELEASE
For Immediate Release
September 28, 2009
Contact: Nathan Bupp
Phone: (716) 636-4869 x 218
E-mail: nbupp@centerforinquiry.net
Think Tank Objects to Taxpayer Funding for Therapeutic
Touch, other Alternative Medicine Therapies
Health-care reform should prohibit the use of taxpayer dollars
to cover non-evidence-based medicine, says CFI report
(Washington, D.C.) --The Center for Inquiry’s
Office of Public Policy (OPP), a group that lobbies for sound science in government policy, today released a report titled A Fracture in our Health Care: Paying for Non-Evidence Based Medicine. The report is highly critical of an effort underway to amend current health care reform legislation with provisions
allowing taxpayer dollars to support unsubstantiated “alternative”
medical treatments.
Americans are increasingly turning to various forms of
alternative medicine.The Washington Post has reported that
38% of adults in the United States have turned to acupuncturists, holistic chiropractors, herbal and homeopathic healers, and various other forms of non-standard treatments. Now
senators Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), and Barbara Mikulski
(D-Maryland), along with support from the ranking member on
the Senate health committee Senator Mike Enzi (R-Wyoming),
are sponsoring an amendment to the health care
reform bill which would support funding for alternative medicine,
and also require all insurance companies to cover
state-licensed alternative medicine providers, under the guise
of prohibiting "discrimination" against such providers.
“Our report seeks to sound some alarm bells: we are coming
dangerously close to having lawmakers legitimize quackery by
putting the government stamp of approval on these unproven
treatments,” said Ronald A. Lindsay, President and CEO of the
Center for Inquiry. “We call upon the legislative branch to follow
President Obama’s lead and insist that public policy be informed
by sound scientific evidence.”
The CFI report focuses specifically on the lack of evidence for
therapeutic touch (TT), an example of the kind of
non-evidence-based medicine that would be covered under the
Harkin amendment. During therapeutic touch, practitioners
purport to massage the patient's "biomagnetic field" with their
hands. The report exposes this as nonsense, revealing that the
purported magnetic field is far too weak to affect any biochemical processes, and is billions of times less energetic than the energy our eye receives when viewing even the brightest star
in the night sky. The report points out that a study published
in The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA)
found that “Twenty-one experienced TT practitioners were
unable to detect the investigators ‘energy field’. Their failure to
substantiate TT’s most fundamental claim is unrefuted evidence
that the claims of TT are groundless and that further professional use is unjustified.”
“CFI strongly opposes the wasting of taxpayer dollars on this and other non-evidence based medicine,” said Dr. Lindsay.
Dr. Wallace Sampson, a well-known critic of alternative medicine
and a fellow of the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry, an affiliate of
CFI, said “Therapeutic Touch, an example of ‘Distant Healing,’ is
a scientific absurdity. This is bold foolishness, elected
representatives legislating into policy their own personal delusions. This is abuse of public office; and reason enough for recall or being voted out of office.” The Center for Inquiry’s
specific policy recommendations contained in the report are
as follows:
Government should spend no taxpayer dollars in support of
any alleged medical treatments or healing protocols, such
as Therapeutic Touch, that have no grounding in experiment or in our understanding of basic scientific fact.
Any health care reform bill Congress passes should prohibit the use of taxpayer dollars to cover non-evidence-based medicine.
Congress should greatly reduce or eliminate funding for the
NIH National Center for Complementary and Alternative
Medicine (NCCAM), as a decade of study has shown that
most alternative cures work no better than placebos.
“The United States can ill afford to continue wasting precious
resources on unproven – and often disproven – medical
techniques. (In the process of) reining in the ballooning cost of
medical care, every dollar of health care funding is needed to
provide tested, proven medical treatment to those who require it. It is inexcusable to squander scarce resources by funding unsubstantiated, non-evidence-based medical techniques that
have no basis in theory or experiment,” states the report.
A Fracture in our Health Care: Paying for Non-Evidence Based
Medicine was authored by Eugenie V. Mielczarek, emeritus
professor of physics at George Mason University in Fairfax,
VA., with assistance from Derek C. Araujo, general counsel of
the Center for Inquiry; Adam Magazine, a volunteer attorney
for CFI in New York City; and Lori Sommerfelt, a sociology major
at American University in Washington, DC.
A downloadable PDF copy of the full report is available
online atwww.centerforinquiry.net/touch.
The Center for Inquiry (CFI) is a nonprofit, educational,
advocacy, and scientific-research think tank based in Amherst,
New York committed to fostering a secular society based on
science, reason, freedom of inquiry, and humanist values.
The Center’s Web site iswww.centerforinquiry.net . CFI’s Office
of Public Policy (OPP) is the Washington D.C .lobbying arm of
the Center for Inquiry. The OPP’s mandate is to lobby Congress
and the Administration on issues related to science and
secularism. Their Web site can be found
at www.centerforinquiry.net/opp
###
-----
Reiki banned at U.S. Catholic hospitals
Posted on: Tuesday, 22 September 2009, 23:07 CDT
The Catholic Church has banned promotion of reiki from its U.S. hospitals, with bishops saying it has no scientific or religious backing.
Debbie Griseuk learned about the Japanese healing technique at St. Joseph's Hospital in Manchester, N.H. She had to close her volunteer clinic there after the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops made its decision in the spring.
The hospital says patients who request reiki will get it but there will be no more classes.
“The bishops did not do their research,'' Griseuk told the Boston Globe.”Reiki is not a belief system, not a cult, not a weirdo thing.''
Reiki practitioners place their hands just above “energy points” on patients' bodies to transfer positive energy. The practice, developed by a Japanese doctor about a century ago, is supposed to stimulate the immune system.
Researchers who have done studies of reiki suggest its benefits come from the placebo effect.
“Without justification either from Christian faith or natural science, a Catholic who puts his or her trust in reiki would be operating in the realm of superstition, the no-man's-land that is neither faith nor science,'' the bishops said in guidelines. ”Superstition corrupts one's worship of God by turning one's religious feeling and practice in a false direction.''
Source: United Press International
=^..^=
In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment for non-profit research and educational purposes only.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on -
Hmmm Pot calling the kettle black, or think tank Quacks looking for something Quackier ??? Reminds me a bit of lunch conversation with my friend David Snyder (energy worker and hypnotist par excellance) " Is all energy work Hypnosis... or is all Hypnosis Energy work?" Who cares as long as one gets the desired result! and what about the lab coat and stethoscope induction.,, extremely effective when accompanied by the magical mystical clipboard. How much of allopathic medicine is Pure Hypnosis ? and whats so alternative about techniques effectively used in other cultures for centuries. This could be a really interesting Topic Micheal
Hugh "energy work is hypnosis" Cole
Texas Tranceman
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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on -
If the world made sense -- You hit the nail on the head -- If it is effective who cares -- But these folks are able to ignore the effectives by focusing on the weakness of their theory of why it works.
Instead of letting them getting away with thrashing these valuable tools, I suggest that we consider entering the fray and claim Energy healing as highly effective form of hypnosis.
Michael E.
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Permalink Reply by Rob Pickett on -
Thanks, Michael. After re-reading your excerpt, a few things came to mind.
This paper was written by a physicist, two attorneys, and a college student, none of who have a medical background. So, that means, no matter what their source materials, this is all their collective opinion and is based solely on reports they have read. (Whew! For a minute, I thought I was going to attack their credibility.)
And everyone knows how much the AMA is looking out after the public's best interest. I personally know a couple of people that have had to go to Europe for surgeries that were disallowed in the US due to AMA involvement. If it wasn't for that, they would both be dead.
Apparently, no one asks why Americans are turning to alternative care in such apparently alarming numbers . (Everybody grab their cheeks in the "scream" pose!) Could it be that this has to do with a general failure of "evidence-based" medicine and doctors who charge more and more for therapies with fewer and fewer positive results? Assuming the patient can afford treatment in the first place. I don't think it has anything to do with religious superstitions or ignorance. I think it has to do with desperation.
Lastly, by replacing a few words in CFI's statement you come up with a much more meaningful topic, in my opinion:
"“The United States can ill afford to continue wasting precious
resources on unproven – and often disproven – MILITARY SPENDING. (In the process of) reining in the ballooning cost of
MILITARY SPENDING, every dollar of MILITARY SPENDING is needed to
provide tested, proven EDUCATION/JOBS/HEALTHCARE/INFRASTRUCTURE/ETC.ETC.ETC. to those who require it. It is inexcusable to squander scarce resources by funding unsubstantiated, non-evidence-based MILITARY AGRESSION that
have no basis in theory or experiment," (Caps mine.)
Regards,
Rob
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Permalink Reply by Leshem Yosef on -
What is energy and how to define it?
Most of people think energy is a kind of power or a force but still natural and doesn't have to be divine.
The ability to produce power, healing power, mind power, word power, influence power, the power of love and on.
As a healer that works also with energy ,I have seen so many treatments that got healed without even know they are getting the treatments, many baby's that can't know by logic and got healed. So, for me it's almost imposable not to believe.
But it's not about believe, believe its when you deal with g-d ,this is about the nature of the human that for ever had energy power and not always it was about suggestions as Darren brown is claiming.
Like hypnosis that it's all about experience also energy it's about experience.
In the work of Ormond McGill many time you can see him passing is hand on the subject that is eyes are closed and still he will fill numbness in his body just try on yours or yours friend hand and fill it its working
Good luck
Leshem Yosef
Hugh Cole said:Hmmm Pot calling the kettle black, or think tank Quacks looking for something Quackier ??? Reminds me a bit of lunch conversation with my friend David Snyder (energy worker and hypnotist par excellance) " Is all energy work Hypnosis... or is all Hypnosis Energy work?" Who cares as long as one gets the desired result! and what about the lab coat and stethoscope induction.,, extremely effective when accompanied by the magical mystical clipboard. How much of allopathic medicine is Pure Hypnosis ? and whats so alternative about techniques effectively used in other cultures for centuries. This could be a really interesting Topic Micheal
Hugh "energy work is hypnosis" Cole
Texas Tranceman
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Permalink Reply by Pattie Freeman CH.t, MST on -
Hypnosis should be that and any type of healing might be part of it but presenting this to your client might chase him away instead of having a open mind.
Hypnosis sometimes gives doubt to clients so why jeopardize the practice by claiming healing-reiki also.
I would say unless it is specified before the session then it's your call...all the extra help you can give a client could only
help not hurt..
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Permalink Reply by Mark Okopny on -
I'll defer my judgement to those with more knowledge and experience of this subject. Although, I would like to hear more about how all energy work is hypnosis. Are you saying that no "real" energy work is actually conducted, only what is created by the client's mind/body from the "perception" of energy work? How would that apply to the "long distance" work that is done sometimes without the receivers knowledge? Or, is that different? I have watched some clips of Ormond McGill's Mesmer type hand pass - energy hypnosis. Hypnosis or energy work? Fascinating stuff! Even more grey than Reiki and the other dozens of "energy - healing work" I think. Does anyone currently teach it? Ron Silver maybe? Anyone know? I would like to learn more. My day job, I split atoms to make electricity, with hypnosis it's just a different form of energy work I guess!
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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on
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Hi Mark,
Keeping in mind- Dr. Braid saved mesmeric practice by renaming Animal Magnetism with the misnomer hypnosis. I started this discussion to see if others believed that it would be a good idea to consider salvaging these modalities by adding them to hypnotic practice. I was/am interested in what other hypnosis practitioners think about this.
For the record, I am not saying that I believe the debunkers - I am saying based on the scientific evidence available at this time - scientists can challenge the basic beliefs about Energy Healing. Just because we can't measure something doesn't mean it is not "real." I was sharing that underlying theories of Energy Healing are under attack and wondered if there were benefits and advantages in claiming them as hypnotic modalities.
FYI- Ormond McGill wrote that he viewed Reiki as an unrecognized form of hypnosis in a column that the wrote for the NGH Journal many years ago and he told me that he viewed Mesmeric passes as an effective induction.
Best,
Michael E.
Mark Okopny said:I'll defer my judgement to those with more knowledge and experience of this subject. Although, I would like to hear more about how all energy work is hypnosis. Are you saying that no "real" energy work is actually conducted, only what is created by the client's mind/body from the "perception" of energy work? How would that apply to the "long distance" work that is done sometimes without the receivers knowledge? Or, is that different? I have watched some clips of Ormond McGill's Mesmer type hand pass - energy hypnosis. Hypnosis or energy work? Fascinating stuff! Even more grey than Reiki and the other dozens of "energy - healing work" I think. Does anyone currently teach it? Ron Silver maybe? Anyone know? I would like to learn more. My day job, I split atoms to make electricity, with hypnosis it's just a different form of energy work I guess!
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Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on -
Hi Michael,
Hypnosis and other complementary/alternative treatments DO have a common power. We just refer to it by different names: belief, neuro and cellular response through suggestion, energy manipulation, etc. Whether it is produced by language, sound, imagery or touch, psychological and physiological changes occur.
Now, in the first sentence above, replace "hypnosis and other complementary/alternative treatments" with "western medicine and religion"...
Perhaps we are fortunate to live in a time where true freedom to heal oneself will be realized. Like Rome, the legal drug cartels and their pushers will one day topple, or at least, stagger as western society continues to become "dehypnotized" and that 38% increases. I'll keep my fingers crossed (oops, that's superstitious!)
Regards, Kelley
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Permalink Reply by Mark Okopny on
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Michael, If I'm not taking it out of context, you said: "I do not believe that there is any magic in Reiki, Therapeutic Touch, Healing Touch or EFT in the same way I do not believe that there is any magic in any of the hypnotic techniques that we use. The magic is in our clients' beliefs and excited imaginations...."
I don't know anything about energy work (yet), but are you saying that it is not "energy work" as much as it is "clients beliefs and excited imagination"? So that if you were unaware of the energy work, or did not believe it could be effective, it would not be effective? I'm not challenging you, just seeking to understand. And by the way, have a safe trip. Mark
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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on
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Thoughts are energetic Mark--
I am a Certified Reiki Master and have studied a wide range of Energy Healing -- I believe the energy that heals in these cases is the massive energy generated by an excited imagination-- rather than a transfer of energy from practitioner to client.
I am open to the research that suggests distance healing -- but the studies were low quality and really proved nothing. As of now, I consider the energy that heals in these instances is part of the healing power of INTENT --
I'm off to South Africa.
Mark Okopny said:Michael, If I'm not taking it out of context, you said: "I do not believe that there is any magic in Reiki, Therapeutic Touch, Healing Touch or EFT in the same way I do not believe that there is any magic in any of the hypnotic techniques that we use. The magic is in our clients' beliefs and excited imaginations...."
I don't know anything about energy work (yet), but are you saying that it is not "energy work" as much as it is "clients beliefs and excited imagination"? So that if you were unaware of the energy work, or did not believe it could be effective, it would not be effective? I'm not challenging you, just seeking to understand. And by the way, have a safe trip. Mark
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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on
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Hi Graham --
Thanks for the feedback and the link to Cal's article -- I hadn't read it--
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