Should We Be Concerned?

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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on July 7, 2010 at 11:14am

I think Jon Chase and Joe K said it best. Training and education do not guarantee competence. There is an abundance of how to harm instructional media out there and we might as well take advantage of any teachable moments that present themselves and I understand Doreen's concerns--

Personally, I believe one's aptitude for understanding and utilizing hypnosis is far more meaningful than their age or the number of hours of training that they have had.... Examples, I would refer clients to young Nathan Thomas without hesitation as I would refer clients to Antoine without hesitation, even though he is self-trained and "ordained". Mastery is Mastery...

I can't say that about all of the adult and certified members of our community.

I also believe that all of us have a responsibility to let posters of all ages know that mal-intent is not welcome or tolerated in this community. James recently demonstrated how to respectfully defend our professional image whilst encouraging a young hypnophile to think. Well done James!
http://www.hypnothoughts.com/profiles/blogs/my-hypno-success

If you do not think that a poster is acting in his or her trance-partners, volunteers or clients best interests - Speak Up!

I will...

Jonathan Chase said:

I wonder.
When and how did you go from amateur to professional? And does being a professional or 'qualified' actually ensure competency?
Surely if they are going to do it anyway then the best thing we can do is show them how to do it safely and well?

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Permalink Reply by James on July 7, 2010 at 11:16am

My 2 cents,

I let my kids hypnotize their friends and even me.
I personalty think Encouragement is the best way I know to inspire and grow.

Hypnosis is not dangerous I believe a person will never do anything against their beliefs in hypnosis.
People everyday talk to people when they are in a venerable state it does not mean they are therapist it only means they want to help. If a kid wants to try to help some one stop smoking or feel better about their lives I say DO IT. The worst that can happen is the person does not get hypnotized.
Real therapy is performed from a person like yourself who trained. What teen's do is NOT therapy it is experimentation and I would rather them experiment with hypnosis then drugs any day. Also this website lets them talk to people who understand them and with out judging will help them get to the next level in not only their lives but their ability as a hypnotist.

One more note if one live is saved because a teenager found this site it was worth every post.

I might be wrong I don't do therapy I manly only do hypnosis for "cold calling" and networking so Maybe I don't have a leg to stand on that is just how I see it.

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Permalink Reply by Rob Pickett on July 7, 2010 at 1:33pm

I had to re-write this post three times to eliminate the overly-ascerbic tone contained within it.

As a former teenager, myself, I have a feeling that they are more interested in making their friends bark like dogs or - at WORST - pee their pants, than trying to delve into their friend's psyche and help solve any marital problems or IBS. "Therapy", performed by teens, is a huge non-issue in my book. (Ooo, an oxymoron?)

I say let them read all the books and see all the videos about hypnosis they can get. And good for them.

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on July 7, 2010 at 1:54pm

Dear James, You are right, but I am nmot only talking about teenagers, we are also talking about none hypnotist adults, and I am not talking about general hypnosis, stop smoking or self esteem boos, what I am talking about is deeper then that.

All the best, Doreen Cohanim C.Ht

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Permalink Reply by Antonio on July 7, 2010 at 2:11pm

This is one thing I've never heard of. Are you saying that post hypnotic suggestions fade after 10 days?
Susan French said:

Also, remember, even properly induced hypnosis wears off in approximately 10 days, so I'm just not sure how much actual danger there is.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Andrade on July 7, 2010 at 3:18pm

Hello People,

When you hand out condoms, you are not encouraging sex, you are hopefully encouraging the safe practice of sex.

As some have pointed out already, all information is already out there, all the way from destructive things to grandma’s recipe for apple pie.

As a member of hypnothoughts and of the human race, I like to think that the majority of the advice given on hypnothoughts includes a high level of responsibility and thinking about our client’s well being.

A fifteen year old person can be researching anything from xyz to grandma’s recipe for apple pie on the internet. There’s a good chance we are not going to stop anyone who is not asking for help to stop, to stop searching for xyz on the internet, so I say, keep it in mind when we speak and delve out advice or information, that our client’s well being is important and doing no harm is important and learning and sharing well guided information is important.

Mika, good for you to have a healthy interest and to be here and not getting in trouble somewhere else. And though you may not be old enough to fully understand responsibility, and you might be, I don’t know, I hope one day soon, you not only talk the talk, (everyone responsible for their own actions), but are able to walk the walk by being responsible in the first place. Why do I think you are already on the road to being a very responsible person, I don’t know, great insight maybe? I don’t know, do you?

Doreen,
Concern, yes, it’s healthy to have concern, great ideas come from healthy concern. But it’s not healthy to worry about something that is already happening, and I know you didn’t say you were worried, I just threw that in for anyone who likes to worry.

What can we do?
Well we can be good role models.

We can discuss it as we are doing now, and who knows, maybe we will stumble on some good ideas.

How amazing if Mika or someone else in their teens right now turns out to be the next Milton Erickson. Life has so many good things to offer, being part of that, projects more of the same.

Great post.

Just another unlimited being,
Steve

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Permalink Reply by Antoine Pruyssers on July 7, 2010 at 4:28pm

Great Discussion Doreen, and a valid point to bring up.
On the other hand, one could consider the other channels out there, with info all over the internet.
If we don't talk, they will find it if they want to, but who better to guide them then someone willing to ask that exact question?
I think your topic tells us, that this is a safe place to learn what they want to learn anyhow.
With the guidance of one such as yourself.

And thank you for the vote of confidence Michael!

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Permalink Reply by Aino / Akpolarmom on July 7, 2010 at 4:52pm

Recently we had a discussion in the skypenosis practice group. What ended up happening was that some youngsters were excluded because some adults wanted to be "safe and above the law" and not allow the youngsters under 18 to be hypnotized, when we did training calls. They were asked to get parental permission, which most likely are not going to happen. So what we in reality did by excluding them (pending that voice call from mommy or daddy giving permission) was leaving them to the for mentioned Youtube and black ops stuff. Leaving them to watch videos, pushing the perception that they are shortly going to be very good hypnotists and they can do anything. That group of teens who could have had a great role model group of adults ( many from HypnoThoughts) Adults and professionals, who now are not allowed to make their own judgment how far they want to be involved in the mentor-ship of those youngsters, because the youngsters are not 'allowed ' in.

I seem to spend more time in the IATH room lately, most times in private chat with the youngsters, as I find it important to pay back some of all the time people have given to me mentoring me as a "young" hypnotist. I don't think excluding anyone from the information is a good way to further our profession. I for one find myself willing to teach 'young' hypnotists of all ages what I have learned, and though I still have tons to learn by teaching others we learn more ourselves. And as was mentioned I above I have no problem letting them practice on me, being able to give feedback in a safe and secure group is great for building confidence.

In reply to the idea about them taking courses and such at a 'school near them" that can be a hard thing to do, specially for the younger new hypnotists. And for some of us that are not near any schools, internet is invaluable. I have learned everything I have learned from the internet, and yes I give credit to a lot of great mentors over the last few years, wonderful online courses and groups and events like the summit, for making me what I am today.... So maybe I am just a bit sensitive, maybe I see another attempt of regulating things.... I for one welcome all the untrained and seekers that I may have a hand in training them and molding them into responsible hypnotists in the future.
And with that I remind you about the old saying 'Keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer." If you have a way of positively influencing the seekers, wouldn't we all be better off in the long run?

Aino

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Permalink Reply by James on July 7, 2010 at 5:20pm

Steve, Great input I agreed with most of what you said.

You brought up a great point, You said:



When you hand out condoms, you are not encouraging sex, you are hopefully encouraging the safe practice of sex.


I really like this point and it could be a suggestion in itself to some it might be more pressure to go have sex, and to others it could be taken only as an encouragement the safe practice of sex. I don't think kids hypnosis to misinterpret a suggestion and make it good or bad.

Doreen,you said:
Dear James, You are right, but I am nmot only talking about teenagers, we are also talking about none hypnotist adults, and I am not talking about general hypnosis, stop smoking or self esteem boos, what I am talking about is deeper then that.

This is a new one for me I've never heard of "a certain depth of hypnosis used only for therapy."

The Bill of Rights 1st Amendment "Freedom of Speech" since for the most part we are doing a lot of listing and "speaking" It might be unpatriotic and against everything your Union is fighting so hard to protect if we start censoring we might become like your example "Israel" and in my opinion that would just be sad and as an entrepreneur censorship effects my paycheck and lifestyle.

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Permalink Reply by Antonio on July 7, 2010 at 5:57pm

Aino, the main reason for not allowing minors into the group is for their safety.

1) None of us that participate in any of the calls truly know each other. For all we know, there could be a pedophile among us, and I'm not willing to put any child at risk. If I get permission from the childs parent then its different. When I talked to the last parent on skype, I basically went over what we do on the trance calls, etc. I also told him that I wanted to know what his son was doing and who he was talking to, etc. He was very pleased with the basic rules that we have setup for the skype group.

2) Also since there will invariably be times when adult things are talked about (s#$t happens and you can't stop everything) its best to keep the kids out, thats unless their parents don't mind them being in there.

3) Another thing, these kids should not be stuck on a computer for very long extended times, they should be out living their lives. Children need a good balance, and since kids at times are not all that rational they may tend to do things that put themselves at risk (hanging with the wrong crowd, doing drugs/drinking, being promiscuous, etc).

4) There is also the chance that one of these kids may have some serious mental issues, and may have a spontaneous abreaction while partaking in one of our trance calls. This is something that I personally don't want to have happen.

5) A relationship between a parent and their child should always be respected in my opinion. If a parent doesn't want their child doing something, then thats that.




Aino / Akpolarmom said:

Recently we had a discussion in the skypenosis practice group. What ended up happening was that some youngsters were excluded because some adults wanted to be "safe and above the law" and not allow the youngsters under 18 to be hypnotized, when we did training calls. They were asked to get parental permission, which most likely are not going to happen. So what we in reality did by excluding them (pending that voice call from mommy or daddy giving permission) was leaving them to the for mentioned Youtube and black ops stuff. Leaving them to watch videos, pushing the perception that they are shortly going to be very good hypnotists and they can do anything. That group of teens who could have had a great role model group of adults ( many from HypnoThoughts) Adults and professionals, who now are not allowed to make their own judgment how far they want to be involved in the mentor-ship of those youngsters, because the youngsters are not 'allowed ' in.

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Permalink Reply by AJ on July 7, 2010 at 6:08pm

Ethics and morals are not consistently shared by all. Our enemies like to lie and corroborate with corruption. The challenge for all is to trust truthfulness and honor honesty. Let light lead. Live. Learn. Love. Laugh.

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Permalink Reply by Aino / Akpolarmom on July 7, 2010 at 6:57pm

There is absolutely nothing stopping any of those youngsters from profiling themselves as 18 and joining... And as with recent additions that are 18, but act like 12 year olds, one may wonder if that is the case already. I still say that all the points mute, as the kids are on the net, and can apparently be 'trusted' by their parents to surf unsupervised. Or is that another "boys will be boys" scenario. I would always say that we, as a group, are much better as models than the random Youtube pick up they may be subject to... but then what am I to say, we don't have to have them in the group to help them out now do we?
It is a CYA so typical of the society we live in today, next comes the regulation of "good Samaritans"

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