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Permalink Reply by Henxy on August 10, 2010 at 9:39am

Hi Matt.
The arm is a distracter/shock technique and means nothing special. It, and any other rapid technique means whatever you say it does.

The word 'sleep' is just a monosyllabic word (which everyone has some idea about).
So these are 2 red herrings.

What I think is happening is you lacking belief in yourself and passing this to your 'someone'.
So act as if you believe all you tell the 'client', blag it, and then they, and you will believe it. And wonderful things will happen...

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Permalink Reply by Dennis Atkinson on August 10, 2010 at 9:56am

Matt since you are starting out, I would suggest you learn a more progressive type of induction first, use this technique for a while, experience what it is like to work with someone in different stages of hypnosis, building your confidence as you go, then journey into the area of the rapid inductions.

Some of the progressive inductions can be quite fast, but they allow more room for error and allow you to work at a slower pace until you master your technique and build your confidence.

I would also suggest some formal training before venturing out ... mainly so you are better trained at handling things that can come up during hypnosis, such as encountering an abreaction.

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Permalink Reply by James Hazlerig - HypnosisAustin on August 10, 2010 at 10:20am

You understand that not every trance involves blanking out, right? When I first started, that was a misconception that shut me down for quite a while. "Sleep" is just an expression. :-)

Go with Dennis's advice if possible. His suggestions are sound.

James

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Permalink Reply by Kevin Cole-NLPTrainingQuest.com on August 10, 2010 at 10:27am

Definitely agree with Dennis here, on all counts...

That said, I'll add that the classic "Elman induction" is a rapid induction (just not an instant/shock induction, which sounds like what you're currently working with) and is extremely fast and effective when you know what you're doing with it.

Not sure if you've had any formal training, but again as Dennis mentioned, I would strongly suggest live training. I know good training isn't cheap, but you can often times work out a payment plan, especially being a teen and even more so if you really show them you're serious about learning...

At a bare minimum, if I were you, I would check out http://www.meetup.com and see if there's any good Hypnosis/NLP groups in your area. You can often gain a lot of hands on practice with skilled practitioners, that will possibly even mentor you in your growth. I run one here in San Diego, so if you're ever in the area, let me know. I normally charge a nominal fee but just give me a heads up and I'll RSVP you for free.

There should most likely be at least one in your area though. I'd definitely check it out if I were you...

Kevin



Dennis Atkinson said:

Matt since you are starting out, I would suggest you learn a more progressive type of induction first, use this technique for a while, experience what it is like to work with someone in different stages of hypnosis, building your confidence as you go, then journey into the area of the rapid inductions.

Some of the progressive inductions can be quite fast, but they allow more room for error and allow you to work at a slower pace until you master your technique and build your confidence.

I would also suggest some formal training before venturing out ... mainly so you are better trained at handling things that can come up during hypnosis, such as encountering an abreaction.

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on August 10, 2010 at 10:53am

Mathieu,
It might be because you are trying it on friends or family who don't know you as a hypnotist, but just as your parents kid, or the guy they go to school with, and/or you don't understand how the process works (you are not alone here).

Hypnosis is all about getting people to automatically react, without their conscious mind being involved.

As humans, we have a natural ability to automatically react to outside input, this is because its how we compensate for only being able to consciously focus on one thing at a time (you can test this limitation by trying to read one paragraph while writing another).

In trance, we will automatically respond to input:
1. as long as we know how to react.
2. and as long as there is no reason not to.

Instant inductions require the instigation of a momentary trance state, then an understandable suggestion to react to.

The momentary trance state is usually done via a surprise/confusion (these are really the same term) event that results in the conscious mind going internal to figure out "what just happened".

The "Sleep" suggestion is one that is universally understood (we just did so less than 12 hours ago) and there is no question on how to react to it. Unlike real sleep, it is just the body emulating what it does when it sleeps, the mind is still present and active.

It is important to remember that "trance effects" such as this (aka..reactions to suggestions) are "automatic" in nature, and not just willful compliance. The "mental reflex" equivalent to the doctor hitting your knee with the little hammer and watching your leg jump.

So if you are successful in getting the conscious mind to focus internally (focus works, but focus internally works better) then all you have to do is suggest. There are several other things you can do to stack the odds in your favor, but there is not room for them all here.

Some hypnotists try to increase the odds by yelling the sleep command (in case the arm-jerk isn't enough of a surprise), or jerking the arm violently several times. Neither of these is necessary if your surprise/confusion technique is adequate.

You can use a simpler method of causing the internal focus of the conscious mind by simply asking a question that they will have to go search memory for the answer to. i.e. " What year did you graduate primary school?" or depending on the country, "what year did you attend the 4th grade?", "what color was the rug in the last house you lived in?" etc.

Then when you see them go internal to find the answer, give the sleep command. No yelling, or arm-yanking required.

If interested in learning more about how and why it all works, I have a book for download on my website you may be interested in, called "The Nature of Trance".

I hope this helps you
John

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Permalink Reply by Jess Marion on August 10, 2010 at 11:25am

I agree with everyone's advice here. If you are going to do instant inductions with people be sure to set the proper frame as well as doing some compliance testing (little things like moving them around just to make sure they'll follow your lead) And as with all things, remember rapport, it will only help you. :)

Good luck and have fun!

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Permalink Reply by Richard Nongard - NLPBoard.com on August 10, 2010 at 11:34am

Arm pull - Forget it.
The ONLY reason to do an arm "pull" is to actually assess for compliance, and then "flop" or "toss" it (similar to Elman's drop)
A lot of people think a pull is nescessary, it is not.
In any video of me doing this it is a "flop" rather than a "pull" or a "guiding" rather than a pulling...

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Permalink Reply by Mathieu Brendel on August 10, 2010 at 1:12pm

Thank you all for your input. It is greatly appreciated. And with each bit of information given i go to do my research on a different and new perspective so i am truly thankful.
does anybody happen to know of any hypnosis groups in the west los angeles area?

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Permalink Reply by Kevin Cole-NLPTrainingQuest.com on August 10, 2010 at 1:28pm

Join this group and post that you're looking for practice partners. The group has been idle for well over a year now, but I'm certain there's still members looking to get something going...

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LA-Hypnosis-Network

and there's at least a couple or Meetup groups if you go to www.meetup.com



Mathieu Brendel said:

Thank you all for your input. It is greatly appreciated. And with each bit of information given i go to do my research on a different and new perspective so i am truly thankful.
does anybody happen to know of any hypnosis groups in the west los angeles area?

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