So called Professional Organisations

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on February 19, 2011 at 3:55pm

A fool and his money are easilly parted.

Don't part with yours unless you really want to.

I have not heard of hypnotherapists in this country needing CRB checks.

I have one because I often work in schools and with other groups of children, (but not doing hypnosis).

If you are going to be working for an organisation, like the health service, or council, they may require one,

but they would offer to pay for it.

 

You certainly don't have to join any organisation to practice, although if you are not a member of an organisation, you will still want Public liability insurance to practise ethically.

 

Why would CNHC want money, Unless you particularly wanted to join them, I wonder?

 

Love and hugs,

 

Fable

 

 

 

Love and hugs,

 

Fable

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Permalink Reply by John Maclean on February 19, 2011 at 5:01pm

I to have a CRB certificate but only because I work with cancer patients. As for the CNHC, I have registered with them and it cost £30. It doesn't make me any better but as things were going it seemed sensible,,,,,until today when the UK government annouced they had abandoned any statutory regulation!

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Permalink Reply by Graham Old on February 19, 2011 at 5:17pm

'until today when the UK government annouced they had abandoned any statutory regulation!'

John, can you give any further info on that? I couldn't find anything on the BBC News site.

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Permalink Reply by James Faulkner on February 20, 2011 at 10:18am

John, 

Could you point me in the right direction,

'until today when the UK government annouced they had abandoned any statutory regulation!'

Would be interested to see this.

James Faulkner

 

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Permalink Reply by John Maclean on February 20, 2011 at 3:07pm

http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publicationsandstatistics/Publications/Publ...

 

There ya go. A command paper is the goverments way of announcing a change in policy.

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Permalink Reply by James Faulkner on February 21, 2011 at 12:41pm

Thank you John i will have a good look at this.

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Permalink Reply by Henxy on February 23, 2011 at 1:51am

The CNHC is supposed to be 'the' accepted register, trying to be more like true professions (i.e. ones whose titles are protected by law: nurse, doctor etc).

 

As we all know, in the UK, you can call yourself a hypnotherapist without a minute of training, supervision or experience. Then we wonder why it's so difficult to gain credibility as a hypnotherapist.

 

There are so many 'registers' of hypnotherapists run as a private business, rather than a regulator (like the GMC, NMC, HPC). With a single regulator, there would be no need to be paying the CNHC and the GHR or whoever, you'd just pay your one regulatory membership... But it would mean something! Having said that, we've all had many discussions about the pros and cons of statutory regulation.

 

Sadly, the CNHC seems to be just another register with little credibility (but of course they'll take your cash!).

 

CRB checks aren't merely for those in therapeutic occupations. They're required for anyone who is in a position to care for (look after, treat...) a vulnerable adult or a child.

 

Every member of staff in the public sector who meets members of the public has to have a CRB check. From receptionists who would have fleeting access to confidential notes, and to the information that patients give them, to the surgeon who operates in, and examines, the most private areas of a person.

 

A CRB check is only as good as the convictions a person has for the crimes they commited.

 

I guess it's a quality standard they're wishing to implement, but without any jurice diction.

 

And for what it's worth, I've never had a patient or client who's remotely interested in what register I pay my fees to. They just want to know I can deliver what they need, and that I am a caring, ethical practitioner.

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Permalink Reply by James Faulkner on February 23, 2011 at 4:50am

Thank you for your reply Henxy,

I did telephone my professional association regards the matter of joining the CNHC. And they are good supporters of the CNHC and are encouraging their members to join. Apparently This stems from the UKCHO supporting getting some form of registration. I feel sad and ripped off by joining the CNHC, it was a simple phone call and handing my credit card details over.

I wouldn't feel so bad if I was rich, or had lots of work, but due to the recession members of the public seem to be holding on to their money. And like you say most members of the public really don't give a monkeys what so called professional organisations we belong to.

I still work in the NHS as a Support Time & Recovery Worker on the psychiatric wards, and am familiar with lots of rules and regulations. I also see a lot of what I call jumped up psychologist, counsellors, and psychiatrist, who don't even seem to have a clue on what they are doing or seem to even listen to the patient. Patients know that I am a qualified hypnotherapist and patients have asked me, can I treat them, because my psychiatrist is not listening to me. Patients also feel that these people all full, of self importance with lots of qualifications coming out of their ears are people to be wary off, be care full what you say to them. I have also noticed that these people also look down on people like myself as those we are not good enough for them. I really do hope things change in our profession and we can get proper jobs with having our qualifications.

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Permalink Reply by Henxy on February 23, 2011 at 6:02am

Hi James.

 

A whole bunch of hypnotherapy 'registers' worked together on this, and of course want you to continue paying their dues. The GHR got its members a direct link discount, so I presume all involved parties got the same. Was there a financial incentive? Who knows or cares? It's just unfair for people like you who paid up and now seem to regret it.

 

I would exercise caution in your 'judgements' of your colleagues. I am sure that there are plenty of counsellors/psychotherapists/psyches who are less than amenable to their patients, but as someone who is not qualified to do what they do, I have to respect their approach. Most psychiatrists (etc) are NOT flavour of the month with their patients, due to the nature of the work. Particularly when the psych has the 'powers' of medication and section; they become judge, jury and executioner in the patient's eyes.

 

Do these people really look down on you, or is it your sense of inferiority? Is it perhaps your disrespect for what your colleagues do that they pick up on? Just asking... All are possibilities. There is nothing like good team work to help the patient get through their illness. So if where you're working is nothing like teamwork,  it's perhaps time to move on to a place where your skills and your role are respected and appreciated.

 

I am currently studying the IAPT high intensity CBT course. It's currently incredibly hard to keep quiet in lectures, because I feel what is being taught (other than CONSTANTLY bitching about adult health staff and treatment- they call it 'general'), is abusive and agressive.

 

I am not kicking off at this, because I don't know enough about what they do to make an informed judgement. Anything I do at the moment is gut reaction; uninformed. My instincts are usually spot on, but I could be wrong about this... The CBT approach is incredibly structured and prescriptive (could be perceived as not listening to the patient). Mine is a lot more gentle, guided by what's important to the patient right here, right now (could be perceived as pandering to the patient, wasting time just 'talking', not developing or learning or moving forward).

 

Have you asked for your money back from the CNHC? You could argue about 'fit for purpose' or had a 'cooling off' period.

 

Whilst £30 is too much for most people to waste at the moment, your health and happiness are worth more than that. Look after you, and perhaps chalk this one down to experience.

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