Speed of Induction v Quality of Therapy

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Permalink Reply by Scott Sandland on March 16, 2011 at 6:37pm

I think they are independent of each other.  In some cases a client who is impressed by a dramatic rapid induction might fare better, others it might put off.  Some people, especially in an initial session, might prefer the patience and ease of a progressive.

 

I don't think there is a great case to be made for "rapids are always better" or "always do a PMR" etc. but I think it's good for hypnos to use what feels comfortable to them in the moment.

 

I think the interaction before, during, and after the induction, and after the hypnosis when walking towards the door, are all equal parts of the process.  The helpful ritual doesn't only exist while the eyes are closed, in my opinion.

 

fun question,

Scott

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Permalink Reply by Richard Nongard - NLPBoard.com on March 16, 2011 at 7:04pm

And a third catagory - no induction.   I do that just as often as I do the instant or traditional

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on March 16, 2011 at 7:18pm

I agree with Scott, in that the inductions and therapy can be independent of each other, and as he said, that it is not necessarily the way it has to be. A flow can be generated from the initial interview right on into the induction. It really does depend on the individual by case.

 

John

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Permalink Reply by Christopher Baboch on March 16, 2011 at 7:53pm

I agree with Scott and John. I always do an instant induction and a 3 to 1 deepener. Then I do a simple hypnotic phenomenon as a convincer and start the changework process.

If you want a fast but calmer induction (not the kind of shock inductions) I recommend the elman eye closure (especially Jonathan Chase's version, you can see it on YouTube)

Chris

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Permalink Reply by Kathleen Hanover on March 16, 2011 at 10:22pm

Speaking as a client, I think "shock"instant inductions are creepy and off-putting to watch, and when I experienced one, I also found it creepy. And show-bizzy. They don't appear consensual. And, if I remember correctly, the "shock" induction creeped me out sufficiently that it didn't work, and thus acted as an "un-convincer." Probably because it involved someone grabbing me and touching me. Not the vibe I would go for in a therapeutic setting.

 

I most often do something gradual like PMR, though I have developed the ability to use an instant induction. I don't have much of a preference one way or the other, unless I'm in a hurry.

 

In terms of quality...hard to say. I'm apparently a beautiful natural somnambulist, yet it is very rare for me to feel hypnotized at all. Depth of trance doesn't seem to have much relationship to effectiveness for me.

 

My 2¢...

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Permalink Reply by Jess Marion on March 17, 2011 at 4:18am

I agree with Scott, they are independent of each other.  Instant inductions can be quite good in a therapy setting but on the flip side so is an induction that takes two or three minutes.  Either way works.  

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on March 17, 2011 at 4:55am

Hi John,

I agree with Scott and Richard.  In my opinion, skilled hypnotist must be able to effectively use rapid, conventional and non-conventional inductions to help their clients. Mastery is using the best approach for the client that you are assisting.

FYI - I am not a therapist and my medical, dental and goal oriented clients do not require therapy - I use hypnosis to help people in crisis function at optimal levels and help other clients reach their goals--

Over the years I have come in contact with 100s of newly and seasoned certified hypnotists who were taught to believe that one induction or hypnotic modality is better than another -- I think it's bull -- The state of the art is inside the hypnotist and not in the inductions or techniques that they use. 

Best,

 

Michael E. @ http://www.nycanxietyhypnosis.com

 

 

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Kathleen Hanover on March 17, 2011 at 10:42am

I like what Scott Sandland has to say about training...he recommends that hypnotherapists train with a huge variety of teachers, preferably teachers whose approaches are entirely different. "Train with people who hate each others' guts," I think, is how he phrased it. I tell beginners the same thing when I'm teaching them to dance.

Michael Ellner said:

Hi John,

I agree with Scott and Richard.  In my opinion, skilled hypnotist must be able to effectively use rapid, conventional and non-conventional inductions to help their clients. Mastery is using the best approach for the client that you are assisting.

FYI - I am not a therapist and my medical, dental and goal oriented clients do not require therapy - I use hypnosis to help people in crisis function at optimal levels and help other clients reach their goals--

Over the years I have come in contact with 100s of newly and seasoned certified hypnotists who were taught to believe that one induction or hypnotic modality is better than another -- I think it's bull -- The state of the art is inside the hypnotist and not in the inductions or techniques that they use. 

Best,

 

Michael E. @ http://www.nycanxietyhypnosis.com

 

 

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Kevin Cole-NLPTrainingQuest.com on March 17, 2011 at 12:11pm

Responding to Kathleen's quote below: This is precisely why I think using instant inductions in a clinical setting is almost always not a good idea.

I think every hypnotherapist should know how to use them for two reasons...

1. Sometimes clients will actually request them. If so, they are appropriate.

2. If you ever plan on doing any radio or television shows, they want things done fast and they want it to be a little "showy". Again, this is very appropriate.

Other than that, there are plenty of rapid inductions you can use in your office that won't freak out your clients. If you are only going to be doing traditional hypnosis (as opposed to something such as NLP), the Elman induction only take 3-4 minutes- even faster once your client has been there before. No need to freak out your clients in order to guide them into a rapid state of hypnosis...

Best,

-Kevin

Kathleen Hanover said:

Speaking as a client, I think "shock"instant inductions are creepy and off-putting to watch, and when I experienced one, I also found it creepy. And show-bizzy. They don't appear consensual. And, if I remember correctly, the "shock" induction creeped me out sufficiently that it didn't work, and thus acted as an "un-convincer." Probably because it involved someone grabbing me and touching me. Not the vibe I would go for in a therapeutic setting.

 

I most often do something gradual like PMR, though I have developed the ability to use an instant induction. I don't have much of a preference one way or the other, unless I'm in a hurry.

 

In terms of quality...hard to say. I'm apparently a beautiful natural somnambulist, yet it is very rare for me to feel hypnotized at all. Depth of trance doesn't seem to have much relationship to effectiveness for me.

 

My 2¢...

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Permalink Reply by Pete & Lorraine on March 17, 2011 at 12:38pm

I use both quick and PMR. Depending on my client. I use quick inductions on a second session onwards as there is more trust and rapport. Again depending on my client some prefer the gentle unwinding, some like the the shock and sudden change. Either way I get the same results with my clients. So I believe it's how you work with them  As Michael said

"The state of the art is inside the hypnotist and not in the inductions or techniques that they use."

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Permalink Reply by Roger Moore on March 17, 2011 at 2:00pm

The only time that I use rapid inductions is with kids - and then often it is simply "close your eyes". I think Richard, Scott and Kathleen have summed it all up.

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Permalink Reply by Bruce Taylor on March 18, 2011 at 5:05am

I think the induction takes what it takes. It is very dependant on the client and some rapid works very well. Others may need some time. Rapid usually works well on clients for the second appointment on especially if you give a post suggestion to re-enter trance. I think it depends on the client and I take it client by client basis.

 

Bruce Taylor

www.hypnotistbrucetaylor.com

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