Speed trance is it really worth it?

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Permalink Reply by Aaron Little on August 13, 2010 at 12:30pm

Great analogy! For me the induction would have been the plane ride on the way to island. A tool, if you will, to get me to where I needed/wanted to go. I have had enjoyable flights but they have never been the reason for my trip. Sometimes a long ride is needed but as a science fiction fan I long for the day of the transporter.

Aaron

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Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on August 13, 2010 at 12:44pm

I took that trip, too, Tony...riding around the Big Island, practically non-stop, on the back of a Harley...without a bitch pad! By the time we made it back to our condo, I was so tired and aching that I nearly forgot the whole wonderful experience. There's definitely something to be said for relaxing along the way, sipping a cool drink and enjoying the views.

The trip ain't fun if it hurts that much, and pacing makes all of the difference in such a case.

Swearing off bikers, I promise! maybe

Kelley

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Permalink Reply by John A. Tamiazzo on August 13, 2010 at 1:57pm

What's the rush? I like teaching clients and students to slow down, to savor life, to enjoy, to take notice, to pay attention, to relish experiences. jt

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Permalink Reply by Richard Nongard - NLPBoard.com on August 13, 2010 at 5:47pm

I will be in kona in three weeks plan to take it slow. That being said the metaphor doesn't work. Speed trance is a tool. Like any other tool there is a time and purpose. Speedtrance is useful in crisis response, public demonstrations, stage work, in overcoming resistance, in managing anxious clients in clinical hypnosis, in providing a forum to "feel"hypnosis and at other times. Speedtrance never is intended to be all things all the time- buy when you need it you will be very glad you have it.....

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Permalink Reply by tony cott on August 13, 2010 at 6:10pm

That was my point! That there are times where Speed trance is needed and wanted, it is just way too often it is used for the benefit of the Practitioner and not for the client. By the way it was not a metaphor; it was a really something that happened haha. Do enjoy the islands they are a great place to be.

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Permalink Reply by John A. Tamiazzo on August 13, 2010 at 6:40pm

Your examples of speed trance uses in crisis intervention, overcoming resistance, managing anxiety, etc. really have nothing to do with any particular tools. It has more to do with what we bring to a crisis situation. I worked in intensive psychiatric facilities for over 25 years and what you are calling speed trance is simply a manner of calming someone down in a matter of seconds when it appears they are going over the edge. Again, I wouldn't regard these interventions as having tools but rather quickly establishing rapport and that comes from the ability to create safety on the spot in a matter of seconds. Call them tools if you wish but they are ways of making contact. jt

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Permalink Reply by Richard Nongard - NLPBoard.com on August 14, 2010 at 11:02am

What I am calling speedtrance is what speedtrance is, as defined and demonstrated by me and John Cerbone in our 2007 video (google it). I am a licensed therpist who also has worked impatient for many years. Speedtrance is clearly much different. View the you tube video clips

John A. Tamiazzo said:

Your examples of speed trance uses in crisis intervention, overcoming resistance, managing anxiety, etc. really have nothing to do with any particular tools. It has more to do with what we bring to a crisis situation. I worked in intensive psychiatric facilities for over 25 years and what you are calling speed trance is simply a manner of calming someone down in a matter of seconds when it appears they are going over the edge. Again, I wouldn't regard these interventions as having tools but rather quickly establishing rapport and that comes from the ability to create safety on the spot in a matter of seconds. Call them tools if you wish but they are ways of making contact. jt

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Permalink Reply by Aino / Akpolarmom on August 14, 2010 at 11:03pm

I think there is a place for both. In therapy a client may expect all the relaxation and slow arrival, but that would not stop one from using a speed trance induction. One only needs to create the right expectancy. Once client is in a deep and quick trance, suggestions to the relaxation and such can still be made, if needed. I would venture that entering into trance in a speedy way is an experience of its own. My first experience with a physical hand drop induction was quite interesting. That instant drop from being fully conscious to wondering about what just happened (despite the fact I knew what was coming lol) was intriguing to me. (Thanks to Taylor Sherman for that experience!)
I also just got finished volunteering several times at our fair for the stage show. The hypnotist used a slower progressive relaxation induction, and later explained he picked the PMR because comments he hears about speed inductions appear to be 'fake' . Now both inductions had me nicely tranced, but personally I trance just as well from a PHS / trigger word, as I would a PMR. My personal preference is the shorter the better, as most PMR's bore me to death. ( I guess it is the fate of a trance junkie) Now, that doesn't mean I don't enjoy a little imagery or even a longer deepening venture, but it is not necessary.
As for therapy sessions... if one spends too much time getting into trance, one would not be doing the client a fair deal. One would either have to have extra sessions for getting the change work done, or have longer sessions. The is going to cost the client money, or cost you time that could have been spent with other clients.
Just my personal thoughts,
Aino

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Permalink Reply by Graham Old on August 15, 2010 at 12:14am

Hi Aino,

As I read your words below, I was surprised by how strongly I disagreed with them. So, thanks for this insight that you've provoked in me! ;-)

I think your comment would only be correct if hypnotherapy literally worked according to the common presumption: Induction, Deepener, Changework, Awakening. Personally, I find that changework, as well as trance, is scattered throughout the session.

However, I think that the real reason I reacted so strongly was because I tend to think of the induction itself as a therapeutic element. So, if someone's come in for a stress-related problem, I may take a longer and more relaxation-based approach. Or, if someone comes in with little sense of their own resources, I may do a levitation induction, or similar. Contrary to what you wrote, this does not leave less time for chagework because that began the moment they walked in. The induction is simply one of the elements of the chagework.

I don't know if that's a common view, or if I'm in a minority, but it's something that seems to work for me and actually takes a lot of emphasis off of the induction itself.

Aino / Akpolarmom said:

As for therapy sessions... if one spends too much time getting into trance, one would not be doing the client a fair deal. One would either have to have extra sessions for getting the change work done, or have longer sessions. The is going to cost the client money, or cost you time that could have been spent with other clients.
Just my personal thoughts,
Aino

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Permalink Reply by Chris Witherspoon on August 15, 2010 at 4:25am

Thanks Graham, I never looked at the induction in that way.

Graham Old said:

Hi Aino,

As I read your words below, I was surprised by how strongly I disagreed with them. So, thanks for this insight that you've provoked in me! ;-)

I think your comment would only be correct if hypnotherapy literally worked according to the common presumption: Induction, Deepener, Changework, Awakening. Personally, I find that changework, as well as trance, is scattered throughout the session.

However, I think that the real reason I reacted so strongly was because I tend to think of the induction itself as a therapeutic element. So, if someone's come in for a stress-related problem, I may take a longer and more relaxation-based approach. Or, if someone comes in with little sense of their own resources, I may do a levitation induction, or similar. Contrary to what you wrote, this does not leave less time for chagework because that began the moment they walked in. The induction is simply one of the elements of the chagework.

I don't know if that's a common view, or if I'm in a minority, but it's something that seems to work for me and actually takes a lot of emphasis off of the induction itself.

Aino / Akpolarmom said:

As for therapy sessions... if one spends too much time getting into trance, one would not be doing the client a fair deal. One would either have to have extra sessions for getting the change work done, or have longer sessions. The is going to cost the client money, or cost you time that could have been spent with other clients.
Just my personal thoughts,
Aino

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Permalink Reply by tony cott on August 15, 2010 at 7:20am

Graham:
You and I have disagreed on a few things in the past, but you did exactly what I was hoping for by your reaction, you not only understood my point better that anyone, but also showed that if we are in fact a minority in this way of thinking, at least there are two of us who think that the journey (induction) is an important therapeutic element in the whole process.
One of the reasons I posted this to begin with is in a meeting with others in our Profession I found many with the same views of Aino, which I also strongly disagree.
Thanks Graham and I hope we can find more things that we can agree on and less that we disagree on. Ha ha
Good day across the pond
Tony
Graham Old said:

Hi Aino,

As I read your words below, I was surprised by how strongly I disagreed with them. So, thanks for this insight that you've provoked in me! ;-)

I think your comment would only be correct if hypnotherapy literally worked according to the common presumption: Induction, Deepener, Changework, Awakening. Personally, I find that changework, as well as trance, is scattered throughout the session.

However, I think that the real reason I reacted so strongly was because I tend to think of the induction itself as a therapeutic element. So, if someone's come in for a stress-related problem, I may take a longer and more relaxation-based approach. Or, if someone comes in with little sense of their own resources, I may do a levitation induction, or similar. Contrary to what you wrote, this does not leave less time for chagework because that began the moment they walked in. The induction is simply one of the elements of the chagework.

I don't know if that's a common view, or if I'm in a minority, but it's something that seems to work for me and actually takes a lot of emphasis off of the induction itself.

Aino / Akpolarmom said:

As for therapy sessions... if one spends too much time getting into trance, one would not be doing the client a fair deal. One would either have to have extra sessions for getting the change work done, or have longer sessions. The is going to cost the client money, or cost you time that could have been spent with other clients.
Just my personal thoughts,
Aino

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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on August 15, 2010 at 10:07am

Oh ,, Bitch pad ... Harley ... I am regressing to younger days when that would have been was a fun thing to do, Only I did it on Maui and the condo was sand and trees, and what ever induction she was using on me should have lasted forever (sigh) thanks Kelley we all have magic moments and memories that could have been magic if our partners were smart enough to grasp the opportunity.

@Tony ... Richard hit the nail on the head.. Speed trance is a tool, You keep it on your belt for appropriate circumstances. Holy Hypno Batman ... The batbelt has room for a bunch of cool tools! The Joker, the Penguin, catwoman and the rest were all done in by the proper bat tool and the proper bat moment

Hugh Cole
making them dizzy one post at a time.




Kelley Woods said:

I took that trip, too, Tony...riding around the Big Island, practically non-stop, on the back of a Harley...without a bitch pad! By the time we made it back to our condo, I was so tired and aching that I nearly forgot the whole wonderful experience. There's definitely something to be said for relaxing along the way, sipping a cool drink and enjoying the views.

The trip ain't fun if it hurts that much, and pacing makes all of the difference in such a case.

Swearing off bikers, I promise! maybe

Kelley

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