Speed trance is it really worth it?

Once on vacation in Hawaii my companion and I rented a small opened top red jeep, the first day I let her drive, I had never seen Hawaii going at 60 before haha. The next day I drove, I stopped at the pineapple fields, the cultural center, stopped at the North shore, and it took forever to get back to the beach house where we were staying.
Once we got into relaxing by the pool, she stated to me that she never realized how much there was to see.
My point is this: how much of the experience is lost with a Speed Trance? I would agree that there are moments that it is necessary, but really should it be used in place of taking the slow journey?
What say you?
Tony

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Permalink Reply by Antoine Pruyssers on August 15, 2010 at 10:16am

It is dependent on the reason of your trip.
If I have a client, who is a "by-the-clock-person", who comes in, and wants to go back to work, within 30minutes, it would be obvious, not to use a "progressive relaxation".
Yet when I have a client, who "needs a lot of work", I tend to go that extra mile, and use a slow-paced trance.
It's all up to the situation, the client, and my subconscious-reasoning.

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Permalink Reply by Richard Nongard - NLPBoard.com on August 15, 2010 at 11:03am

This seems to be a varied version of the "which induction is the best induction" type thread. The answer is always the same:
"The one that is best for your client."

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on August 15, 2010 at 12:05pm

I think a crux of the of the two differences of opinion might also be the NLP approach versus the traditional hypnosis approach to inductions.

The NLP approach can contain therapeutic suggestions in the form of a story or metaphor that builds from the start of the session.

The traditional hypnosis approach needs a trance state to exist first, before change work can happen.

just my thoughts on it
John

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Permalink Reply by John R. Brochu on August 15, 2010 at 1:59pm

Tony:
Your question implies that there is a risk or lack of value in speed trance.

I am fond of the Elman induction but that particular induction may not be appropriate for everyone in every situation.
I find that speed trance or rapid induction is my induction of choice when working with athletes at a sport venture.
Most of the time this is not a speed trance on a Cold client but a client that has been in trance prior to this rapid induction.
If I have a office client that is too impatient for progressive relaxation or even an Elman induction, and then a rapid induction may be my choice. I am more cautious about exiting a trance quickly than I am entering a trance quickly.

Tony your story was an interesting metaphor and exemplifies how real life is at times the best example. What if your rush to your destination enabled you to be rewarded by being just in time for a wonderful experience? Wouldn’t that have made your quick trip worth it?

Yours in Health,
John Brochu
BrochuHypnosisCenter.com

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Permalink Reply by tony cott on August 15, 2010 at 2:50pm

John:
It was not my intention to devalue the action of Speed Trance; there are times (which I have stated before) in which this avenue of induction is the best to use. and please note: Neither is this a Thread as to which is better or not!

We all tend to fall into patterns in what we do, and after taking some meetings with my fellow Professionals I found that they had been doing the same pattern of induction for sometime and didn’t even know it. and to often those patterns are for our benefit and not the client. this is no slam to anyone we are all human (more or less )haha

So my question(s) are only meant to get us to think about what we are doing and how we are doing it, even me lol

You know there are many great posts here on this thread, and it was in the journey that each of us has been able to input our words, thank you for your insight and may your journey be it fast or slow , always be enjoyable.

Tony
http://www.maverickhypnotics.com

John R. Brochu said:

Tony:
Your question implies that there is a risk or lack of value in speed trance.

I am fond of the Elman induction but that particular induction may not be appropriate for everyone in every situation.
I find that speed trance or rapid induction is my induction of choice when working with athletes at a sport venture.
Most of the time this is not a speed trance on a Cold client but a client that has been in trance prior to this rapid induction.
If I have a office client that is too impatient for relaxation or even an Elman induction, and then a rapid induction may be my choice. I am more cautious about exiting a trance quickly than I am entering a trance quickly.

Tony your story was an interesting metaphor and exemplifies how real life is at times the best example. What if your rush to your destination enabled you to be rewarded by being just in time for a wonderful experience? Wouldn’t that have made your quick trip worth it?

Yours in Health,
John Brochu
BrochuHypnosisCenter.com

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Permalink Reply by Leshem Yosef on August 15, 2010 at 11:57pm

Hi John
You just hit my morning thought that is your evening comment zone time
Were to give most of my energy in my learning and approach
Do I use the NLP as a main therapeutic method or the traditional hypnosis?
Or to use them mixed in my sessions as some or most do
But my spirit yet not quiet and need more clearness about this mater
Your friend
Yosef

tony : As to the above Q I think Richard said very clear balance and pro' answer

John Cleesattel said:

I think a crux of the of the two differences of opinion might also be the NLP approach versus the traditional hypnosis approach to inductions.

The NLP approach can contain therapeutic suggestions in the form of a story or metaphor that builds from the start of the session.

The traditional hypnosis approach needs a trance state to exist first, before change work can happen.

just my thoughts on it
John

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Permalink Reply by Antonio on August 16, 2010 at 2:32am

You're gonna be in Kona? Vacation or some teaching perhaps? Michael Grady (stage hypnotist and fellow member on HThoughts) is on the Big Island right now. Why does no one come to Kaua'i? ;)

Richard Nongard - NLPBoard.com said:

I will be in kona in three weeks plan to take it slow. That being said the metaphor doesn't work. Speed trance is a tool. Like any other tool there is a time and purpose. Speedtrance is useful in crisis response, public demonstrations, stage work, in overcoming resistance, in managing anxious clients in clinical hypnosis, in providing a forum to "feel"hypnosis and at other times. Speedtrance never is intended to be all things all the time- buy when you need it you will be very glad you have it.....

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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on August 16, 2010 at 7:34am

Hi,

I believe that Mastery is having the flexibilty and ability to use a wide range of inductions. As others have stated: The Best INDUCTION is the induction that is going to be the most effective for the client that is being assisted.

Michael E

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Permalink Reply by Richard Nongard - NLPBoard.com on August 16, 2010 at 7:48am

Kaua'i
Is next.... I promise I will tell you when.
We love Hawaii, so it is fast becoming our new hangout....

Michael Ellner said:

Hi,

I believe that Mastery is having the flexibilty and ability to use a wide range of inductions. As others have stated: The Best INDUCTION is the induction that is going to be the most effective for the client that is being assisted.

Michael E

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Permalink Reply by James Hazlerig - HypnosisAustin on August 16, 2010 at 10:18am

Quick, Antonio, register every geography-related URL for Hawaii that you can, before Richard gets them!

Or you could just let Richard get them and hope he remembers to point them at your site. :-)

Okay, on the main subject, Richard and Michael have stated the situation quite clearly.

But Graham's comment reminded me of a conversation I had with my instructor, Kathy Moore. I asked her why she did progressive relaxation with most clients when rapid induction were faster, and what she said was this: "Most people who come to see me seriously need to relax and de-stress. That alone is going to help them a lot."

It calls to mind an otherwise forgettable book I read about hypnotherapy, in which the author related that on the first session, all she does is teach self-hypnosis and stress management. At the end of the session, she says, "Do this for two weeks and call me back if you still have a problem."

James

Richard Nongard - NLPBoard.com said:

Kaua'i
Is next.... I promise I will tell you when.
We love Hawaii, so it is fast becoming our new hangout....

Michael Ellner said:
Hi,

I believe that Mastery is having the flexibilty and ability to use a wide range of inductions. As others have stated: The Best INDUCTION is the induction that is going to be the most effective for the client that is being assisted.

Michael E

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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on August 16, 2010 at 11:26am

I believe you are correct ,,,, besides I love the patterns I fall into otherwise I wouldn't be falling into them!

Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet,

Michael Ellner said:

Hi,

I believe that Mastery is having the flexibilty and ability to use a wide range of inductions. As others have stated: The Best INDUCTION is the induction that is going to be the most effective for the client that is being assisted.

Michael E

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Permalink Reply by Greg Turner on August 16, 2010 at 3:49pm

Tony, Most people that use speed trance in changework, that I am aware of, use it because they say going any slower is not necessary to get the client to the point where useful changework can be accomplished. In other words, the journey is not the point, it's only a tool to set up the client for changework. Also, there are the entertainment aspects of speed trance, where the speed is almost part of the show, that is, it s required.