Swaying the clients head

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Permalink Reply by Chris Witherspoon on January 10, 2010 at 4:56pm

Besides the disorientation I remember hearing somewhere that the swaying is a form of deepening. I can't remember where I heard this and I really do not know if it is true since I have never had anyone sway or rock me during an induction.

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Permalink Reply by James Hazlerig on January 10, 2010 at 9:08pm

It's true that relaxation isn't required for trance, but it's one of many things that can help.

Personally, I think the loss of equilibrium is a bigger factor in the head-sway deepener.

James

John Cleesattel said:

I'll buy the disorienting effect of head swaying. Neck muscle relaxation?...a little tougher to swallow considering that relaxation is not required for trance, but then again, neither is touching the subject at all.

I guess it just boils down to using the technique you are most comfortable with and leaving it at that.

my two cents
John

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Permalink Reply by Connor Wyatt on January 11, 2010 at 6:17am

I have to agree with others and say that relaxation isn't needed for trance, although for some people I think it is essential as if they come in with a pre-conception that they are going to be deeply relaxed and you don't give them any relaxation, they might think that it didn't work and I think the effects of that can completely undo any good work you've done. So I think it is important from an expectation standpoint but not essential for informed people.

Another thing is obviously the disorientation and I saw it being used as a deepener too, (can't remember who by,) because the disorientation can be linked to the floating feeling that some people experience and become a convincer to the client that they are doing extremely well.

In summary it is a technique that does many things, we might even have missed a few, but it is a good technique and I'm going to use it more now so thanks guys!

Conca

John Cleesattel said:

I'll buy the disorienting effect of head swaying. Neck muscle relaxation?...a little tougher to swallow considering that relaxation is not required for trance, but then again, neither is touching the subject at all.

I guess it just boils down to using the technique you are most comfortable with and leaving it at that.

my two cents
John

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Permalink Reply by Connor Wyatt on January 11, 2010 at 11:39am

I love Gerry Kein! You seen his Rapid and Instant Inductions Video? I think it is probably the single most brilliant video on hypnosis ever. (Lol maybe a slight exaggeration but it is good.)

His hand drop method is brilliant too.

Conca

Ian Jay said:

Of course, depending upon the induction it can also lead to gently pushing the client's head forward onto their chest. (Don't forget to ask their permission first and confirm that they have no neck problems.)

Gerry Klein, with the Elman induction, was/is a very hands-on guy. He used this to great effect.

Ian

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Permalink Reply by Paul Ramsay on January 11, 2010 at 12:32pm

I have noticed several times in live demonstrations and on videos that some operators will place one hand on the neck or shoulder, and the other hand on top of the head, then roll the head gently around and around as if to loosen up the neck. I always get nervous when I see this, since the rolling motion of the head is one of the signs of a hysterical reaction coming on. I always wonder: could it be like pushing a car and then popping the clutch? Could you "jump-start" a hysterical reaction by using this rolling motion on someone? Maybe you get away with it 5,000 times, but then there's that one time it causes a problem.

Swaying or rocking someone is a soothing motion that is accepted pretty much universally. It feels safer to me, so I use it with folks. And sometimes I'll hold them by the base of the neck as I direct the swaying motion, so that as they sway side to side the neck loosens up a bit and the head drops forward.

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Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on January 11, 2010 at 1:04pm

And if you are not comfortable, or the client withholds permission to manually manipulate his head, you can always use the "swing" effect (having the client in a comfortable swing, moving back and forward with each breath) to induct and deepen...

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Permalink Reply by Jack Hirsh on January 12, 2010 at 5:28am

I agree James. I would also like to add that not only can relaxation help but many times it is what is expected by the client and isn't creating mental expectancy part of hypnosis? Complete and total relaxation can be used as a convincer if that is what the person expects hypnosis to feel like.

I also agree that it is probably used more for loss of equilibrium and to keep the client slightly disoriented so that they can't re-focus their critical factor.

~Jack

James Hazlerig said:

It's true that relaxation isn't required for trance, but it's one of many things that can help.

Personally, I think the loss of equilibrium is a bigger factor in the head-sway deepener.

James

John Cleesattel said:

I'll buy the disorienting effect of head swaying. Neck muscle relaxation?...a little tougher to swallow considering that relaxation is not required for trance, but then again, neither is touching the subject at all.

I guess it just boils down to using the technique you are most comfortable with and leaving it at that.

my two cents
John

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Permalink Reply by Connor Wyatt on January 12, 2010 at 7:36am

I agree Jack, like I said earlier in the thread if the client is not convinced it could undo any good work.

Conca

Jack Hirsh said:

I agree James. I would also like to add that not only can relaxation help but many times it is what is expected by the client and isn't creating mental expectancy part of hypnosis? Complete and total relaxation can be used as a convincer if that is what the person expects hypnosis to feel like.

I also agree that it is probably used more for loss of equilibrium and to keep the client slightly disoriented so that they can't re-focus their critical factor.

~Jack

James Hazlerig said:

It's true that relaxation isn't required for trance, but it's one of many things that can help.

Personally, I think the loss of equilibrium is a bigger factor in the head-sway deepener.

James

John Cleesattel said:

I'll buy the disorienting effect of head swaying. Neck muscle relaxation?...a little tougher to swallow considering that relaxation is not required for trance, but then again, neither is touching the subject at all.

I guess it just boils down to using the technique you are most comfortable with and leaving it at that.

my two cents
John

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