Talking Point: Instant Inductions and Modern Hypnotic Practice - Gil Boyne in Budapest

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Permalink Reply by GIL BOYNE on November 21, 2009 at 7:32am

Here is the broadcast on youtube. (about 12 minutes) you'll like it (or not)

The whole interview can be watched at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c1hx8ZoQHw

Permalink Reply by GIL BOYNE on November 21, 2009 at 7:40am

Hello Steve, Thank you for clarifying the real issue behind the start of this thread. Well done!

SteveH said:

Andreas, you said:....

As far as I can see, and with my poor english understand, Michael just asked some questions. What’s wrong about it? Its a free community and why not discuss about it?


Personally, I think that there is weak but real anti Gill agenda here.


If Michael Elner wanted to introduce debate about the use of instant inductions in the hypnosis office, then he would have asked about the techniques.

Instead he has specifically named Gill and questioned Gill's use of the technique in therapy.

In the same manner, I could question what is "quantum" about Michael Elners hypnosis techniques, and whether or not the use of the word quantum is misleading and ethical. Maybe he gets the client to be in two different places at the same time, if that's the case, then I may have let the (Schrodinger’s) cat out of the bag!

While I am personally not a great fan of some of Gill's techniques, I do fully agree with Gill's observation, "So and so has a great reputation but............".

Michael asks

Although, I recognize and deeply appreciate Gil Boyne's huge professional standing and contributions to the field, I am asking the questions below because I do not believe that the demonstrations that he shared with us reflect modern hypnotic practice and I wonder what other members of Hypnothoughts.com think about it.


It's a bit like asking someone 'are pink elephants damaging the herd by eating the baobab seeds', and then trying not to criticize pink elephants, and only observe the fact that the baobab seeds have been eaten. Sorry, but Michael has sown the seeds of criticism in questioning Gill's techniques and their place in modern hypnotism (whatever that is).

As I said, if it was just about the technique, then that's what Michael would have asked about.

Permalink Reply by John R. Brochu on November 21, 2009 at 8:03am

If only the whole interview had English subtitles..
Thanks for posting it Gil...

GIL BOYNE said:

Here is the broadcast on youtube. (about 12 minutes) you'll like it (or not)

The whole interview can be watched at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c1hx8ZoQHw

Permalink Reply by Susan French on November 21, 2009 at 8:10am

Hi Lee,

I'm a big advocate of diversity and I think we all resonate with certain techniques more than others.

I, personally, want to say thank you to everyone here who talked about their differing points of view with calmness and respect...even though I step over that line myself more frequently than I'm proud of.

I just knew that if political opponents on CNN can do it, we could do it too...lol. I love to watch them on both sides, diplomatically and intelligently (and often hilariously) make a point without making it personal.

Great discussion, Michael. Thanks so much.

I, personally, love to hear different sides of things that I have even made up my mind about: I often get a 'side' I hadn't seen before or wasn't comfortable with. For me, that's always growth and learning.

Hugs everyone,

Susan

Lee Pelletier said:

Roy Hunter said it so well. There are many ways to get from Seattle to Denver. There are a multitude of ways to get a client into trance.
Each of us has our own levels of comfort based upon our own personalities and experiences. As we try new things, and grow more comfortable then our confidence grows as well. My unique approach to hypnosis is the understanding of an individual's DISC profile (a business instrument that I find invaluable). In thumbnail the four letters are associated with the word Dominance, Influence, Steadiness and Compliance. The Dominance profile is characterized by loving challenges, what is new and exciting and even flashy. The Influencing style is characterized by the approach to people. The steadiness is characterized by taking a slow and steady approach to relationships and tasks. The Compliance is oriented toward obeying or following rules and procedures set by others. Folks that Roy calls Analytical Resisters are most likely to be "C" Factor high. As hypnotists, overall, the "D" factor high hypnotist is going to be drawn to the "flashier approaches" and the faster approaches (they are about 13% of the US Population). The "I" factor high person is also going to want to "look good" and will want to "charm" people into trance with their personalities (about 29% of the US Population). The "S" factor high hypnotist is going to love the progressive relaxation induction or the Elman induction--which is slow for the "D" or "I" ("S" factor high is about 45% of the US population). The "C" is going to want to have exact procedures and be uncomfortable with variance. If you tell a "C" that eye flutter is a trance marker, then they will tend to get bogged down watching for the "eye flutter" and lose the other markers ("C" factor high makes up about 9% of the US population). Why does this matter? What does this have to do with the topic?
If you read the responses to Michael's question/comment you will see elements of the different styles. Yet to be effective we all have to be able to adapt to the styles of other people. If we are "D" factor high and we have a slow and steady client, we will serve that client better by adapting to his or her needs. If we are natural charmers (I Factor High) and dealing with a "C" factor high, we had better know what we are talking about because the "C" will not trust a charmer. If you want resistance, try to rush an "S". If you want anger, tell a "D" he or she is "wrong" about anything. Are these generalizations? of course they are. Are they useful in being more effective as hypnosis professionals? Again, of course they are. If, for example, you tell a "C" that he or she will likely experience a certain trance phenomena in a certain way, then you had better produce. Otherwise they won't believe they are in trance. I had one "C" client disqualify me as a hypnotist because of a spelling error in a brochure. If I couldn't spell right, I probably couldn't be relied upon to hypnotize her right either.

Gil has made amazing contributions to the field of hypnosis. I have to say that at the NGH, when I have heard his name spoken it has been with respect and admiration. At the same time, we all can fall into the trap of over identifying or over labeling (as with the DISC system mentioned above). I deeply appreciated his explanation of how he came to use that technique, and the underlying factors in its effectiveness.

As Roy said, there are many ways to get from Seattle to Denver. I don't generally have time to drive a trip like that (progressive relaxation) and my overall preference is SST (Supersonic Transport or "Rapid" induction). Each has their own style, their own preference, and we are all getting better and better every day.

Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on November 21, 2009 at 8:22am

Gil Boyne has been controversial for his entire career, Why? Because he is passionate about what he does and less than patient with some who would impose, by fiat or implied consensus. a false boundary around what is possible with a proper understanding of the human mind. I have never studied directly with Gil, but I have studied with two "friends" who list Gil at the very top of "the influences" in thier careers. Jim Hoke and Justin Tranz. Both are "controversial" for the results they get and thier "over the top" induction styles. Guess what? It works! and when you stop projecting all the don't's and shouldn'ts and maybes and learn the processes behind the inductions you become a much better hypnotist! ... Even if you never use them again. Choose your mentors carefully ... Limiting beliefs are Contagious

Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet

Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on November 21, 2009 at 9:56am

I am so much enjoying this thread now.

Whatever the motivation
thanks for starting it off.

I made a post early on in the thread,
and then in retrospect,
removed it,
as I don't think I showed as much respect
as I could have in that post.

I just enjoyed watching that newsreel post Don,

I didn't understand any of the words, but followed the plot easilly.

Hugh,

I am enjoying your posts a lot these days.
and I totally got your last paragraph/s
in the thread about trance.

Love and hugs,

Fable

Permalink Reply by Ricky Strode on November 21, 2009 at 12:00pm

Pesonally anything added to this feild is just that. Hell I have instant and rapid induction that I made from long drawn out ones that were atleast (my guess) 50 years old. I noticed all you have to do is get past the conscious and hell you can do that in with only using words in between 5-10 seconds, throw in an emmbedded command and bam they are off to the moon. I like to see diferent approachs thats what make the new possibilities endless, because everything can be made simpler, but not anymore simple and have the same effect.

Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on November 21, 2009 at 1:06pm

Thank you Fable.... I have always enjoyed posts and observations

Hugh

Fable Goodman said:

I am so much enjoying this thread now.

Whatever the motivation
thanks for starting it off.

I made a post early on in the thread,
and then in retrospect,
removed it,
as I don't think I showed as much respect
as I could have in that post.

I just enjoyed watching that newsreel post Don,

I didn't understand any of the words, but followed the plot easilly.

Hugh,

I am enjoying your posts a lot these days.
and I totally got your last paragraph/s
in the thread about trance.

Love and hugs,

Fable

Permalink Reply by Katherine Zimmerman on November 21, 2009 at 2:06pm

I absolutely agree that Gil has integrity, he's authoritarian and one of a kind. One thing that I haven't seen mentioned on any of the posts in this thread is this: he has a heart of gold. I have taken master training with Gil in person on two occasions and continue to watch his videos with my students. What I have learned, among other things, is that Gil will do whatever it takes to get results because he truly cares. He's not there to be a friend but to help them change their lives.

Gil, rather than being more careful about revealing "inner secrets" in the future, think of them as samples of what people can learn from you. I make an effort to read every post you write on HT because I always learn something valuable. And, really folks, if you haven't taken Gil's online class you're missing out on a great education. I have learned more over the years about why things work from Gil than from anyone else. And I have trained with some of the best in our profession.

Permalink Reply by HYPNOJADE on November 21, 2009 at 4:16pm

Thank you for posting these videos. I have never seen G. B. and I would like to bring to your attention something that hasn't been addressed. Gil is NOT randomly touching! Note he uses his thumb between the eyes and forehead, particularly, in both videos.
What I see him doing is stimulating the pineal and pituitary gland, both enhancing and grounding the hypnotic experience. While I am not going to get into pathophysiology, muscular trigger points, reflexology or chakras, I would highly recommend further investigation of ALL his "touching" techniques! Brilliant!
Whether he uses these "touching' methods intuitively or by scientific research, experience and documentation, the method of his "touching" is strong, viable, and scientifically sound. I did not learn these processes in hypnosis classes, but in nursing school and practice. Right on dude!! That got me excited..... and more confident! ;D

KISS JADE

Permalink Reply by Art Long CHt. Traditional Doctor on November 21, 2009 at 9:14pm

Hello Michael. I believe that any surprise takes away from the trust we need to establish with a client as therapists. I see many trauma cases, hijack, shootings, kidnapping, rape, abuse and molestation cases in a country with the highest crime rate in the world.. People then need kindness, safety and trust.To come up to someone, yell, and jerk their neck is a stage hypnotist stunt that takes away all trust. Perhaps Gil was just using these techniques as a demonstration? I do not believe even touching a person is ethical and can lead to problems if I as a male therapist were to touch a female client and cuddle them as he seems to do. I always use gentle techniques, longer inductions and make a point of telling a first time client there are no surprises whatsoever and they have their faculties even to being able to open their eyes if they want to, but that works for me. Speed and startle do not make me feel warm and fuzzy, but if it rocks Gil's boat and his methods can be therapeutic (and he can stay out of court) - fair enough.

Permalink Reply by Alan117 on November 21, 2009 at 9:53pm

I believe that any surprise takes away from the trust we need to establish with a client as therapists.

Who's to say surprise takes away trust?

I see many trauma cases, hijack, shootings, kidnapping, rape, abuse and molestation cases in a country with the highest crime rate in the world.

What does that have to do with this thread. I'm sensing an implied connection between rape, abuse, molestation and the way Gil conducts his inductions.

To come up to someone, yell, and jerk their neck is a stage hypnotist stunt that takes away all trust.

I disagree.

Perhaps Gil was just using these techniques as a demonstration?

He's already said it wasn't just for telly demo.

I do not believe even touching a person is ethical and can lead to problems if I as a male therapist were to touch a female client and cuddle them as he seems to do.

Hypnotists having been doing contact inductions since mesmeric passes to therapist assisting in hand levitation. Nothing about Gil's touching seems improperly suggestive.

but if it rocks Gil's boat and his methods can be therapeutic (and he can stay out of court) - fair enough.

you can't just say "fair enough" after that criticism.

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