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The non-awareness set (funky induction) explained
The non-awareness set, a nice little concept taught by Igor Ledochowski, is a kind of induction that's quite unlike most things taught anywhere: it's sort of non-directive (though you can of course direct it more strongly than it is by default) and it sort of has a built-in "plausibility generator": it creates suggestions that are plausible to the subject (on the unconscious level), so they tend to work virtually always.
Igor posted a video about it here: http://ultimatehypnotherapytraining.com/blog/igors-secret-hypnotic-...... for those with not enough time to watch it (it contains a lengthy demo and lots of small demos during the explanations, so you really should watch it to get an idea of how it works in practice, but of course I can't force you to watch it) and those who want a bit more information before they spend the time, I'll explain what happens in the NAS.
The NAS is, essentially, purified and systematic utilization. You take things that people do, either without conscious awareness or without conscious awareness of why they are doing it, and capitalize on them as signs of an altered state. For example: "hey, your finger just twitched. Do you always twitch your finger like that?" "Uh, no..." "Hmm. That's interesting. Normally you don't twitch your fingers, but now you did, and you didn't even know you were doing it... I wonder what it means..."
By itself, that suggestion could do anything, but if there is a surrounding frame of, say, trance... well, what do you think people will figure the twitching finger means?
The effects of the non-awareness set are wide-ranging: it tends to create a certain base level of confusion and uncertainty (excellent preconditions for change and learning) and, more importantly, it makes it really easy to establish a stable and powerful conscious-unconscious dissociation. By focusing people on all the things they do unconsciously and artfully implying that the mere presence of these things indicates an altered state, few people will default to rejecting everything you say.
Of course, presentation is key here. Ledochowski calls it H+: the firm and unwavering intent of the hypnotist to create a wonderful hypnotic experience for the client. He really goes to town about this in his demonstrations. Go watch the video to see what I mean (and feel free to skip the last minute or so in which he's trying to sell his DVD course which is currently off the market anyway).
I hope that if you have never heard of the NAS before, it will give you new and interesting ideas. Perhaps you are going to realize that some of the best hypnotists already use it, but in a less structured way. And I don't really think you have to religiously follow the structure, anyway, but it helps very much in getting familiar with the principles of the NAS.
I'm wary of going into it more fully than Igor does himself in that free video, but if any of you have questions, I'll try and answer them based on my experience, though I'll say up front that I've never used the formal structure of the NAS myself. I've only used the principles as part of other things I've done.
Tags: awareness, dissociation, indirect, induction
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Permalink Reply by Graham Old on -
I picked this up without realising, from Stephen Brooks (whom Igor trained with). However, I love Igor's presentation of it.
Since hearing Igor speak about it in a bit more detail, I've used this a fair amount. You know, it's actually really good fun if nothing else!
I would honestly say that it (and the principles it incorporates) is one of the simplest and most powerful things that I use.
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Permalink Reply by Jess Marion on -
I love the NAS. If I remember correctly Igor credited Brooks and Gilligan (?) for it. It is fantastically effective and his presentation of it is good. I'm not sure I can add anything that hasn't been said already so....It's great! :D
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Permalink Reply by Greg Turner on
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I was at the training from which that video was shot. Right, Igor got NAS from Brooks and Gilligan who got it from Erickson. Interestingly enough, neither Erickson, nor Brooks, nor Gilligan explicitly knew what it was they were doing. Igor was the person who made it explicit and gave it the name NAS.
Greg Turner, CCHt.
http://www.SFBayHypnosis.com
Jess Marion said:I love the NAS. If I remember correctly Igor credited Brooks and Gilligan (?) for it. It is fantastically effective and his presentation of it is good. I'm not sure I can add anything that hasn't been said already so....It's great! :D
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Permalink Reply by Jess Marion on
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It's funny because I've seen Brooks and Erickson do it on video but it never occurred to me what they were doing until I came across the NAS. Then it all made sense.
That entire program is really wonderful.
Greg Turner said:I was at the training from which that video was shot. Right, Igor got NAS from Brooks and Gilligan who got it from Erickson. Interestingly enough, neither Erickson, nor Brooks, nor Gilligan explicitly knew what it was they were doing. Igor was the person who made it explicit and gave it the name NAS.
Greg Turner, CCHt.
http://www.SFBayHypnosis.com
Jess Marion said:I love the NAS. If I remember correctly Igor credited Brooks and Gilligan (?) for it. It is fantastically effective and his presentation of it is good. I'm not sure I can add anything that hasn't been said already so....It's great! :D
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Permalink Reply by Graham Old on
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You know, I've heard Igor say a couple of times that neither Brooks nor Gilligan explicitly knew what they were doing, but I'm not sure how true it was.
Brooks never said to us, "This is the Non-Awareness Set and it is effective because...". However, after a demo with a student he did say something like, "You'll have noticed that I said 'how did you do that?' after they managed to switch from the phobia. That's something that I picked up from Erickson and I like to say it because..."
That's just an example of what he said, but he made it explicit that he often said 'how did/do you do that?' because it created an inner search. It's not as comprehensive as what Igor teaches, but I think it's explicit enough to question Igor's marketing pitch.
Greg Turner said:I was at the training from which that video was shot. Right, Igor got NAS from Brooks and Gilligan who got it from Erickson. Interestingly enough, neither Erickson, nor Brooks, nor Gilligan explicitly knew what it was they were doing. Igor was the person who made it explicit and gave it the name NAS.
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Permalink Reply by Jess Marion on
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To me the marketing is not really of consequence as it doesn't diminish what is being taught. The NAS is a bit more than creating the internal search (which is a part of it). Igor was a student of both Brooks and Gilligan so it's not surprising that he took the things they were doing....After all they took it from Erickson. And perhaps neither of them were fully aware of the extent to which they do this..or maybe they were, I don't really know. None the less, it is an effective (and fun) induction.
Graham Old said:You know, I've heard Igor say a couple of times that neither Brooks nor Gilligan explicitly knew what they were doing, but I'm not sure how true it was.
Brooks never said to us, "This is the Non-Awareness Set and it is effective because...". However, after a demo with a student he did say something like, "You'll have noticed that I said 'how did you do that?' after they managed to switch from the phobia. That's something that I picked up from Erickson and I like to say it because..."
That's just an example of what he said, but he made it explicit that he often said 'how did/do you do that?' because it created an inner search. It's not as comprehensive as what Igor teaches, but I think it's explicit enough to question Igor's marketing pitch.
Greg Turner said:I was at the training from which that video was shot. Right, Igor got NAS from Brooks and Gilligan who got it from Erickson. Interestingly enough, neither Erickson, nor Brooks, nor Gilligan explicitly knew what it was they were doing. Igor was the person who made it explicit and gave it the name NAS.
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Graham - There is a whole heck of a lot more to NAS than just saying, "how did/do you do that?". Here is what I wrote in my notes when I listened to Igor's master class on NAS.
Reframe everything that the client says as a sign of hypnosis!!!!! Ask questions about client's subjective experience or comment on automatic behavior going on - build in implication of hypnosis. Echo back client's answer and make a comment that implies hypnosis or something unusual happening.
You said that Brooks asking "how did/do you do that?" is enough to question Irgor's marketing pitch. I am curious. What marketing pitch exactly? And what questions do you have about the marketing pitch?
Graham Old said:You know, I've heard Igor say a couple of times that neither Brooks nor Gilligan explicitly knew what they were doing, but I'm not sure how true it was.
Brooks never said to us, "This is the Non-Awareness Set and it is effective because...". However, after a demo with a student he did say something like, "You'll have noticed that I said 'how did you do that?' after they managed to switch from the phobia. That's something that I picked up from Erickson and I like to say it because..."
That's just an example of what he said, but he made it explicit that he often said 'how did/do you do that?' because it created an inner search. It's not as comprehensive as what Igor teaches, but I think it's explicit enough to question Igor's marketing pitch.
Greg Turner said:I was at the training from which that video was shot. Right, Igor got NAS from Brooks and Gilligan who got it from Erickson. Interestingly enough, neither Erickson, nor Brooks, nor Gilligan explicitly knew what it was they were doing. Igor was the person who made it explicit and gave it the name NAS.
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Permalink Reply by Graham Old on
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Jess, let's be honest - the marketing is always of consequence when it's to do with Igor!
However, my point is that Igor has attempted to add an element of discovery to this that isn't really there. If Brooks knew what he was doing, I'm pretty sure that Erickson did.
Jess Marion said:To me the marketing is not really of consequence as it doesn't diminish what is being taught. The NAS is a bit more than creating the internal search (which is a part of it). Igor was a student of both Brooks and Gilligan so it's not surprising that he took the things they were doing....After all they took it from Erickson. And perhaps neither of them were fully aware of the extent to which they do this..or maybe they were, I don't really know. None the less, it is an effective (and fun) induction.
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Permalink Reply by Graham Old on
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Greg, obviously, there is more to NAS than a question. I use it myself all of the time, so am very much aware of that.
My point was simply that Igor has marketed this partly on the basis of some discovery that he made. He's done that elsewhere where he paints himself as going on a great journey to uncover the 'secrets' of hypnosis. It's all hype and is to be expected, but I'm not interested in it.
Aside from which, it strikes me as slightly arrogant for Igor to state that the other guys did not really know what they were doing when they did this. How does he know? Perhaps he's just never heard them teach it.
Greg Turner said:Graham - There is a whole heck of a lot more to NAS than just saying, "how did/do you do that?". Here is what I wrote in my notes when I listened to Igor's master class on NAS.
Reframe everything that the client says as a sign of hypnosis!!!!! Ask questions about client's subjective experience or comment on automatic behavior going on - build in implication of hypnosis. Echo back client's answer and make a comment that implies hypnosis or something unusual happening.
You said that Brooks asking "how did/do you do that?" is enough to question Irgor's marketing pitch. I am curious. What marketing pitch exactly? And what questions do you have about the marketing pitch?
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Permalink Reply by James Hazlerig - HypnosisAustin on -
Hmm, at the Austin NLP meet-up, we just called it the "That's Right" Induction. This seems like a more systematic approach to the same principle.
Like Jan points out, the frame is important. Anyone who volunteers at a workshop, comes to your office, or gets on stage at a show expects to be hypnotized, so when you say, "I wonder what that means," the person who has agreed to play the role of the trancer interprets the motion as a sign of trance. If you said it to someone who wasn't expecting hypnosis, it might not have that effect.
James
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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on -
Erickson, Brooks and Gillian - didn't know what they were doing -- Give me a break!
That's right-
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Permalink Reply by Roger Moore on -
OH Michael - I clicked on this as I'm running off to the office - I love starting my day with belly laughs that bring tears to my eyes! Thank you!
Roger
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