Theoretical Frameworks

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on August 31, 2010 at 1:08pm

You all have heard mind before, so I will spare you a rerun.. LOL.

John

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Permalink Reply by Joe K Fobes on August 31, 2010 at 3:35pm

My clients can't change because of not-conscious (hence not consciously controllable most of the time) patterns that are running (emotions, sensations, and thoughts).

Those automatic not-conscious patterns are generated by associations, beliefs, and conscious choices.

For example, a simple phobia that the client realizes is irrational, is a not-consciously generated set of emotion (fear), sensations (the physical manifestations of fear), and thought (I'm going to die). In the case of a simple phobia they are often generated by simple association. The bridge has been associated with dying. If there is a also a belief (bridges are dangerous) the phobia is often a bit more difficult.

I think that almost any issue that we face is simply a collection of associations and beliefs (and beliefs are associations in their own right, they are simply an abstracted association, a story).

And so I help my clients by working with the not-conscious part. I first get not-conscious responsiveness. Then I break, rearrange, and redirect patterns and associations. I also change and rearrange beliefs. I use stories (like age regression, symbolism, parts, forgiveness, and metaphor) to help make sure that I 'touch' as many areas and patterns as I can when I do my work.

I also coach my clients in conscious decision making. That's a minor part of what I do as I prefer to work in the not-conscious space.

Thats pretty much the whole job.

Joe

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Permalink Reply by Adrian Tannock on September 1, 2010 at 2:49am

Thanks Joe -- I'm processing this now.

John, for the sake of my bookmarks, can you spell out your model of the mind (it's an idea I like and am keen to hear more about).

Also - any other takers?

Cheers :-)

Adrian

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on September 1, 2010 at 6:20am

Sure Adrian,

In my model, the mind is made up of three separate parts that work together like a muscle group.

The Analytical mind: It is our interface to the outside world, and it analyzes the input received and determines what is real and what is true in the outside world. All if its wondrous problem solving abilities and the like have this goal as a bottom line. This is also referred to as "The critical factor". It is our logical/rational self that can only focus on one thing at a time. This mind begins going dormant when mental focus is directed internal to the body such as during somnambulism.

The Judgmental mind: The behavior/decision making center. It is our emotional self that experiences life. Multifaceted, it controls who we are and what we do. It determines what we like and what we don't like, and experiences how we feel. It filters outside input to the reactive mind looking for attempts to control us without our permission.

The Reactive mind: Sometimes referred to as the Lizard Brain. This is our survival self. No intellect, just cause and effect reactions that are learned during our lifetime. Because there is no intellect, it can (and does) run hundreds of automatic reactions simultaneously, both internally and externally. It records everything we experience from the moment we are born until the time we die (often referred to as long term memory) to be used as a comparative reference for how to react when a confusion/surprise event (not knowing how to react) is encountered.

The imagination: A mental ability that is used to complete things when only limited or incomplete data is available. During somnambulism, it provides input normally received from the analytical mind. (while it is a necessary part of the equation, I don't feel it qualifies as a mind itself, but seems to operate more like a support device, that is available to each of the three parts of the mind.

I define trance as the natural ability we have to automatically react to outside input without the involvement of the analytical mind. It is a mental babysitter mode to keep us safe when our conscious mind is focused elsewhere. It is necessary for us to survive because of our inability to consciously focus on more than one thing at a time.

Hypnosis simply makes this automatic reaction state (trance) more profound by realizing that the outside input that we will automatically react to, can be in the form of a suggestion.

When the conscious mind is focused on something, this automatic reaction ability HAS TO manifest to keep us safe.

John

Adrian Tannock said:

Thanks Joe -- I'm processing this now.
John, for the sake of my bookmarks, can you spell out your model of the mind (it's an idea I like and am keen to hear more about). Also - any other takers? Cheers :-)

Adrian

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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on September 1, 2010 at 7:22am

Hi Adrian,

Nice to see you posting --

I believe and operate on the belief that every cell in our being is bio-engineered to learn and change -- I help clients move into mindsets that promote rapid learning and changing. When I help a client change their minds and excite their imaginations for changing -- it changes their brains and physiology creating the space for change.

Michael E.

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Permalink Reply by AJ on September 1, 2010 at 11:02am

Michael, your premise: "every cell in our being is bio-engineered to learn and change" is wonderfully stated.

Dr. Charles Skillas teaches that all disease is caused by improper functioning of cells in the body. He further says that the operation of healthy cells requires water, nutrition, oxygen and life force energy.

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Permalink Reply by AJ on September 1, 2010 at 11:20am

Joe, I am in accord with your work in dealing with unresolved issues.

Adrian, in my practice I use Metaphysical Hypnotherapy techniques to uproot nonconscious associations. This is a work in progress and I plan to reveal much more by year's end of 2012.

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on September 1, 2010 at 8:01pm

I didn't spell out my model's reason how and why we can facilitate change, let me do that now for just a few of them.

Memory is where we record what we have experienced, it is bookmarked by the emotions we experienced when past events took place. The emotions were the reactions to the events and were thus recorded for future reference.

We can change these programmed reactions in several ways:
1. Because we have the ability to re-enter an original memory event, where a learning was first done and modify the outcome, it will in turn, modify the original learning, thus the automatic reaction to similar events or triggers. This is possible; because during trance the subject's ability to determine what is real and true has gone dormant. So to the reactive mind of the subject, the re-experiencing of the event during the trance state is just as real as the original, and correspondingly, the resulting learning from that re-experiencing, is what is then programmed to replace the original learning.
This is how I use regression therapy, and this has been the results I got using it that way.

2. Understanding that we learn through repetition, and that programmed automatic reactions can be changed via the repetition of experiencing them as well, without the regression part of it, has much value. As long as outcomes are safe, and beneficial, they are normally easily accepted. This coupled with the understanding that whenever the imagination is used as an input source, the critical factor begins going dormant, again resulting in the inability of the reactive mind to determine what is real and true. The learning center (that I call the reactive mind) can operate with this acceptance of imagination input as real, as long as the judgmental mind doesn't interfere (has no reason not to allow it). Classic examples of this are the fast phobia cure, and guided imagery techniques.

I hope this is understandable the way that I said it.
John


Adrian Tannock said:

Thanks Joe -- I'm processing this now.
John, for the sake of my bookmarks, can you spell out your model of the mind (it's an idea I like and am keen to hear more about). Also - any other takers? Cheers :-) Adrian

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Permalink Reply by Adrian Tannock on September 3, 2010 at 8:57am

Jon - thanks for both posts, it all makes sense.

What about the rest of you? :D

Adrian

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Permalink Reply by Michael Haifleigh on September 4, 2010 at 4:08am

Adrian,

I’ve been missing your posts.

Here are two of the theoretical frameworks I draw on:
Wolinsky (Trance Identity)
Gilligan (Self-Relations)

Here are two of the ideas I draw on:
We don’t really know most things we think we know.
Everything is experience.

Cheers,
Michael

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