There is no such thing as "Self" Hypnosis

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Permalink Reply by Michael Haifleigh on February 7, 2010 at 4:51am

No such thing as "Self" Hypnosis? I agree.

Michael

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Permalink Reply by Richard Nongard - NLPBoard.com on February 7, 2010 at 6:25am

Another semantic debate. Define self, define hypnosis, define suggestion. I agree with Michael. I think Michael is wrong.

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Permalink Reply by Jonathan Chase on February 7, 2010 at 6:37am

Self = in this case. The person alone.
Hypnosis = The delivery of a suggestion by another. And the acting out of such by the respondent.
Suggestion = The induction of a thought or behaviour acted upon without reflection or reason by the respondent.


I am talking Hypnosis here mr Nonguard not relaxatherapy or psychotherapy.

I know most people are happy to transpose and mistake those for one another. Personally I think that is stupid and very misleading for the general public.

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Permalink Reply by Brian Halliday on February 7, 2010 at 6:59am

I don't think the public really care one way or another so long as they get what they are looking for. I tell you to relax and your muscles relax. Then by your definition thats hypnosis.

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Permalink Reply by Brian Halliday on February 7, 2010 at 7:33am

Hypnosis isn't the desired outcome its to solve the problem. At least it normally is. And hypnosis on its own is pretty limited its only a tool.

I have never had a client that told me they weren't hypnotised because I work to get rid of the problem. So long as I sort out their problem they don't care. If they are then its because you are focusing on hypnosis rather than solving their problem.

Public are being mislead if they think their problems will be solved just by the induction of a trance.

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on February 7, 2010 at 8:03am

Adrian,

I enjoyed the made up story,
and I think I got most of the point.
Although I can't always be sure of the agenda.

Made me laugh anyway, Always a good thing in my book..


Love and hugs,

Fable

AKA
Lawrie Shaw the Sunderland Hypnotherapist

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Permalink Reply by Richard Nongard - NLPBoard.com on February 7, 2010 at 8:10am

You know, just reading this thread makes me want to rush out and buy the new book by Jon Chase.

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Permalink Reply by Bruce Taylor C.Ht on February 7, 2010 at 8:14am

Does it have pictures? I need pictures.

Richard Nongard - HypnosisGurus.com said:

You know, just reading this thread makes me want to rush out and buy the new book by Jon Chase.

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on February 7, 2010 at 8:29am

Richard Nongard - HypnosisGurus.com said:

You know, just reading this thread makes me want to rush out and buy the new book by Jon Chase.

Funny you should say that Richard, after reading Adrian's charming story,
I had this strange spaced out feeling,
followed by the same impulse.
it's beyond me

Love and hugs,

Fable
Lawrie Shaw the Sunderland Hypnotherapist

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Permalink Reply by John R. Brochu on February 7, 2010 at 9:12am

Is self hypnosis the same as self promotion?
What hypnosis book will I buy next?

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Permalink Reply by Graham Old on February 7, 2010 at 9:31am

'Self = in this case. The person alone.
Hypnosis = The delivery of a suggestion by another. And the acting out of such by the respondent.
Suggestion = The induction of a thought or behaviour acted upon without reflection or reason by the respondent.'

You're not even kidding are you? :-?

It strikes me as a less than honest debate when one side get to define the terms in such a way as to meet their conclusion. Almost identical to another thread you started, Jon.

So, the whole debate lies on the rather pedantic definition of hypnosis offered:

'Hypnosis = The delivery of a suggestion by another. And the acting out of such by the respondent.'

I guess if you want to define it like that, then you are obviously correct. However, it's also obvious that those who believe in self-hypnosis might define it like so:

Hypnosis = The delivery of a suggestion. And the acting out of such.

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Permalink Reply by Jonathan Chase on February 7, 2010 at 10:10am

That's a request Adrian, and you know it.

Adrian Tannock said:

Jonathan Chase said:

Hypnosis = The delivery of a suggestion by another. And the acting out of such by the respondent.

Friend #1: Would make a cup of tea?
Friend #2: Yes, okay.

Therefore Friend #2 is "hypnotised"? I don't buy it.

Whereas social compliance & role-taking seems to be a component part of a person's experience of hypnosis, that's not the whole story and I suspect you know it.

Cheers,

Adrian

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