Trance & mediums

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Permalink Reply by Mark Tyrrell on June 10, 2009 at 10:29am

Hi Natalie

Well you'd think a trance medium might already know something about trance and altered states of attention. I guess it depends how involved you want to get with this kind of thing. I've always enjoyed and focussed on teaching hypnosis as a way of overcoming psychological problems but it depends where your interests lie.

All the best

Mark

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Permalink Reply by Graham Old on June 10, 2009 at 10:37am

I think I'd tell them to f-off and find someone else to help them with their fraud and manipulation.

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Permalink Reply by Natalie on June 10, 2009 at 10:52am

Thank you mark for your comments much appreciated, seems some do and some claim to know
Natalie

Mark Tyrrell said:

Hi Natalie

Well you'd think a trance medium might already know something about trance and altered states of attention. I guess it depends how involved you want to get with this kind of thing. I've always enjoyed and focussed on teaching hypnosis as a way of overcoming psychological problems but it depends where your interests lie.

All the best

Mark

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Permalink Reply by Natalie on June 10, 2009 at 10:56am

Hi Graham
thanks for your comments, i would agree, i am slightly involved in the spiritual movement, but in a way to stop this fraud and manipulation, if they were honest in what they done, might have different view. I was informed the best way to uncover a fraudelent medium/trance medium was to have an hypnotist/mentalist/magician in the audience. I basically gave them the same reply as yourself, where to go
Cheers
Natalie

Graham Old said:

I think I'd tell them to f-off and find someone else to help them with their fraud and manipulation.

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Permalink Reply by Natalie on June 10, 2009 at 11:38pm

Hi Sheila

Aplogies if you were offended with comments, you may yourself be genuine in what you do, but that does not apply to all, as you state you have 30 years experience as well as hypnosis and NLP behind you, a vast amount of trance mediums become trance mediums overnight with no experience and no training, and because of the legalities of the Fraudelent Mediums Act, quite a few are trying to get the backing of an hypnotist/NLP practitioner to validate their work. If one was seriously intrested in the field of trance, then should they not, like yourself have experience and training in said such field. I may have come across a bit one sided, believe me i am not, i work alongside quite a few mediums in repesct to uncover the fraudelence that is taking place, and we have to remember mediums targets are the vulnerable. Again if trance mediums.mediums were serious about their work they would be insured registered and CRB checked the same as any professional would do in their said field. Like yourself i have over 30 years experience in channeling and trance, also a `hypnotherpaist and psychotherapist, registered with the NHS. I spend a lot of time with Trance mediums on a scientific programme in understanding the mechanics of their work, and how much undertanding they have. The reason i posted the question as stated there seems to be a flux of trance mediums approaching therapists only to be under their instruction for validation of their work. I do help those who help themselves, it is not a matter of being opened minded its a matter of trance mediums taking their work seriously, i know many who have worked very hard within their field, but as stated there are far more who appeared overnight, and not realising the consequences of their work, of their actions. I did not state that all psychics are frauds, again their are some very genuine ones, i run a sanctuary for over 5 years with attending mediums/psychics/trance mediums every week, in total over 300 attended, 20% genuine in what they do, 20% gaining a deeper understanding, and becoming more knowledgeable, the rest i'm afraid to say do not understand what they do, and seems they are only intrested in feeding their own Ego, self glorification, this is the section that i am referring too. I hope this clears the air, and that we can both continue to share views

Natalie

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Permalink Reply by Natalie on June 11, 2009 at 1:24am

The Skit

Very intresting, and i know there are many examples in the late 1800's & early 1900's of such phenomena, such as explained in the film "The Illusionist". As to date there is still no scientific evidence to prove or disprove such phenomena, neuro-scientists (psychologist) work with certain aspects within this field, very involved very in-depth to scientifically prove the existence of such phenomena. When in a somnambulism state we are able to connect with internal and external consciousness providing access to an immense fountain of knowledge as well as being able to connect with sub-personalities, which possible have an influence of those who lived before. All very interesting, and there will always be two sides of the fence so to speak. There will always be room for the genuine and the not so genuine, really boils down to the audience, to the individual and how they take it on board and how they see it.

Natalie

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Permalink Reply by chris john on June 11, 2009 at 1:47am

Oi... no need to be rude.
I work on the spiritual side, and ive seen trance state with mediums,
and its very real.
Dont mock what you dont understand.

Graham Old said:

I think I'd tell them to f-off and find someone else to help them with their fraud and manipulation.

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Permalink Reply by Natalie on June 11, 2009 at 2:21am

I wouldnt even go as far as to say he is in trance, he's a performer and not that great, i cannot believe that people believe its real, what he is doing, if that is what happens when in trance, i think i'll give it a miss. Wonder what he would produce if someone put him into a real deep trance?

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Permalink Reply by Natalie on June 11, 2009 at 2:43am

I and many others would agree with you, he gives such a bad representation for those who are genuine in what they do. I think he has caused a lot of damage, there are many people who now think that they are either possessed or got negative spirits/energies with them, dangerous subliminal suggestion and auto suggetion. I know they state its entertainment, what a peculiar way to be entertained by a man spitting and frothing at the mouth. He must carry a lot of negative baggage, for all his actions and words are of a negative factor. Well at least he has taught us something, there are only negative spirits and no such things as positive ones,and that negative subliminal and auto suggestion out weighs the good, dont think he will make it as a hypnotherapist eh?

edington said:

Natalie said:

I wouldnt even go as far as to say he is in trance, he's a performer and not that great, i cannot believe that people believe its real, what he is doing, if that is what happens when in trance, i think i'll give it a miss. Wonder what he would produce if someone put him into a real deep trance?

he is the scum of the earth, watch the you tube clip-mary loves dick, when he thinks the filming has stopped, and that woman with him.

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Permalink Reply by chris john on June 11, 2009 at 1:57pm

Yes thanks.
And ive used the info given to move on in life.

edington said:

chris john said:

Oi... no need to be rude.
I work on the spiritual side, and ive seen trance state with mediums,
and its very real.
Dont mock what you dont understand.
have any of them said anything useful?
Graham Old said:

I think I'd tell them to f-off and find someone else to help them with their fraud and manipulation.

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Permalink Reply by Natalie on June 11, 2009 at 11:49pm

He seems to claim a lot, as from passing on messages from the other side, what use are his messages. Don't people realise they can get there own messages from the other side, its only mans perception of death, there is no such thing as death, we already live the eternal life 'The Ouraboras' a perpetual change in an eternal cycle of re-creation and destruction. And considering we are all a part of the whole, we can link in with anyone at anytime, whether they have a physical body or not, cos at the end of the day we are all living spirits, some held in a carcass some not. Thus no-one therefore has the right to claim they have contact with those on the otherside cos the other side does not exists - only as a figmant of ones imagination.

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Permalink Reply by Natalie on June 12, 2009 at 12:47am

Yes i have seen trance mediums working, no most of them have not said anything useful, considering the about of knowledge that can be accessed. I am not making a mockery of them, they do that by themselves. I do actually take spiritual matters very seriously, but not on the level of the mass. There is far more to it, than giving messages, i have witnessed several channels, and what they spoke of was incrediable, e.g the 13 dimension of which were verified by a college of mine, a professor in Canada, there is no end to the amount of useful knowledge. Most trance mediums bring the dead through, with messages for their loved ones, that is not what true spiritual matters are concerned with. I dont actually make a mockery of anything, its just someones perception of things. Each have our own opinions, nobody is right, nobody is wrong, its down to the individuals belief system

chris john said:

Yes thanks.
And ive used the info given to move on in life.

edington said:

chris john said:

Oi... no need to be rude.
I work on the spiritual side, and ive seen trance state with mediums,
and its very real.
Dont mock what you dont understand.
have any of them said anything useful?
Graham Old said:

I think I'd tell them to f-off and find someone else to help them with their fraud and manipulation.

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