Trance & mediums

I have been approached by several trance mediums, asking to be taught altered states, it seems that mediums are taking up hypnosis to validate there work. Have any of you been approached and what do you think
Natalie

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Permalink Reply by Cheryl Westley on April 1, 2010 at 8:23am

Very well said.

Sidora Dazi said:

If somebody needs to use hypnosis to "convince" somebody of something then it is a form of tacit manipulation...in order to gain something for themselves...hypnosis is just hypnosis; a tool...but how one chooses to use it is an individual choice. Yes, I have been approached by many people who wish to gain unfair advantage over others..but personally I like to help people.

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Permalink Reply by Brian David Phillips on April 1, 2010 at 4:18pm

Sidora Dazi said:

If somebody needs to use hypnosis to "convince" somebody of something then it is a form of tacit manipulation...in order to gain something for themselves...hypnosis is just hypnosis; a tool...but how one chooses to use it is an individual choice. Yes, I have been approached by many people who wish to gain unfair advantage over others..but personally I like to help people.

I didn't have the impression that the mediums who approached Natalie were wishing to use hypnosis to unfairly convince others that their work was genuine, I read her post to mean that they wanted to learn how to go into hypnosis themselves which is a very different matter. The mediums who are not purposefully cheating people - the non-cold readers out there - typically go into a form of trance and so hypnosis would certainly be a more reliable and effective way of achieving trance. Whether or not they are delusional or achieving genuine results is a different matter.

Natalie, were these folks wishing to learn to hypnotize others or were they wishing to learn to go into hypnosis themselves?

All the best,
Brian
http://www.briandavidphillips.com

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Permalink Reply by Brian David Phillips on April 2, 2010 at 1:11am

michael harrison said:

why are the statements they come out with so completely inane? a typical colin fry response- 'he's eating his favourate steak and kidney pudding in the spirit world'. yet, faced with a womam whose daughter went missing he had a message from her but the spirit world 'was not allowed to say where the body is'

I would contend that there is a world of difference between Colin Fry and someone who genuinely believes they are a medium who goes into a genuine trance during their work, whether they are indeed in contact with anyone or anything beyond the veil. I suspect Colin Fry would not wish to learn how to go into a genuine trance . . . it might interfere with him standing up with the lights off moving a glow in the dark trumpet around http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5567299728976602556# :-)

While he may indeed be legitimate, Colin Fry has always struck me as a cold reader and a performer . . . someone whose chief function is to act as a clown or performance artist rather than as a spiritual guide or shaman . . . thus the attempts at so-called "witty sayings" and the "hedging" when it comes to hard information that he claims to have access to.

I realize that some people may disagree with me, but he often sounds more like a very poor actor to me than someone who is legitimately taking on trance and speaking either via the unconscious or something else. Well, junior grade poor actor at least in this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrV7A3RECJA

Because there are indeed silly people out there doing this sort of work it doesn't mean that all trance work related to spiritualism is inherently fraudulent . . . even a reasonable atheist who believes in the whole worms and mud await us line has to face the evidence that ecstatic trance - and mediumship is one of many types of ecstatic trance, at least the genuine non-snake oil approach is - has a great deal of value. Our contemporary culture has perhaps lost a bit of its soul in the rejection of all things trancery.

In my opinion.

I'll tell you what, those of you don't believe in any of this nonsense - and I hear ya big time - and who don't want anything to do with this sort of silliness can send any future inquiries by honest - self-deluded or otherwise - mediums my way and I'll be happy to work with 'em. Granted, I won't accept their model whole hog, have no use for it myself, but I can teach them how to have more effective capabilities at entering deep trance reliably and safely and perhaps show them how some but not all such trances may originate from within rather than from without, albeit doing so in a way that neither belittles nor condemns their belief systems.

All the best,
Brian
http://www.briandavidphillips.com

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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on April 2, 2010 at 4:56am

THe world has always been full of thieves, Charlatans, carnies, "illusionists". There is no surprise in that. I don't think it is my job to validate who is real and who is not. I don't accept past life regression for instance, but understand it has a purpose for some folks so I have facilited in a some instances. My dear friend Kenton does not believe in Hypnosis, yet he regularly performs and teaches his brand of Hypno illusionism.

Choose yout mentors wisely... Limiting beliefs are contagious,,,,,

As a good hypnotist you should be able to adopt your clients befief sytem.... work conguently within it. and simply jettison it when it is no longer needed. So Brian is generous in his offer. If you can't or won't do that ....find some one who can like Brian and refer them out,

Hugh Cole
The {retty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet,

Brian David Phillips said:

michael harrison said:
why are the statements they come out with so completely inane? a typical colin fry response- 'he's eating his favourate steak and kidney pudding in the spirit world'. yet, faced with a womam whose daughter went missing he had a message from her but the spirit world 'was not allowed to say where the body is'

I would contend that there is a world of difference between Colin Fry and someone who genuinely believes they are a medium who goes into a genuine trance during their work, whether they are indeed in contact with anyone or anything beyond the veil. I suspect Colin Fry would not wish to learn how to go into a genuine trance . . . it might interfere with him standing up with the lights off moving a glow in the dark trumpet around http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5567299728976602556# :-)

While he may indeed be legitimate, Colin Fry has always struck me as a cold reader and a performer . . . someone whose chief function is to act as a clown or performance artist rather than as a spiritual guide or shaman . . . thus the attempts at so-called "witty sayings" and the "hedging" when it comes to hard information that he claims to have access to.

I realize that some people may disagree with me, but he often sounds more like a very poor actor to me than someone who is legitimately taking on trance and speaking either via the unconscious or something else. Well, junior grade poor actor at least in this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrV7A3RECJA

Because there are indeed silly people out there doing this sort of work it doesn't mean that all trance work related to spiritualism is inherently fraudulent . . . even a reasonable atheist who believes in the whole worms and mud await us line has to face the evidence that ecstatic trance - and mediumship is one of many types of ecstatic trance, at least the genuine non-snake oil approach is - has a great deal of value. Our contemporary culture has perhaps lost a bit of its soul in the rejection of all things trancery.

In my opinion.

I'll tell you what, those of you don't believe in any of this nonsense - and I hear ya big time - and who don't want anything to do with this sort of silliness can send any future inquiries by honest - self-deluded or otherwise - mediums my way and I'll be happy to work with 'em. Granted, I won't accept their model whole hog, have no use for it myself, but I can teach them how to have more effective capabilities at entering deep trance reliably and safely and perhaps show them how some but not all such trances may originate from within rather than from without, albeit doing so in a way that neither belittles nor condemns their belief systems.

All the best,
Brian
http://www.briandavidphillips.com