Tricky Belief, Stuck Situation

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Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on October 17, 2010 at 2:51pm

While I believe NLP may have some application, perhaps cognitive approach will be intially more beneficial in a case such as this. In addition, hypnotically enhancing her awareness of her strengths and blessings and reducing those physical symptoms will further enable her to move forward.

Best wishes,

Kelley

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Permalink Reply by James Malone on October 17, 2010 at 3:00pm

Leighton-in working with this woman I would be less concerned with sub-modalities and more interested in her overall belief system. Does her religious/spiritual tradition allow for forgiveness or atonement for transgressions? Most I am acquainted with do, so is she misinterpreting dogma or was given a false version?

If religion belief is important to her and in a way created her problem, it has to be integrated into the solution. You may wish to consider doing parts therapy with her too. Also she may need to consult with clergy of her faith. Good luck! Jim

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Permalink Reply by GAIL GUEVARA on October 17, 2010 at 3:43pm

Hi Leighton,

Yes, I agree with Kelley regarding cognitive work. Besides hypnosis work, I am also a Life Coach. With clients like the one you are working with, I would be curious as to what age she was when she first started noticing her belief systems, what influence did she have, family, environment, etc.

How comfortable is she with playing around with other perspectives?

~Gail

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Permalink Reply by Chris Witherspoon on October 17, 2010 at 4:12pm

You did not mention her religious affiliation but I would imagine that she has a religious leader she could go to to discuss this problem. It sounds like she up held the sanctity of her marriage it was her husband that did not up hold his end of the deal.
Her spiritual advisor would be able to point this out and advise her. You will be able to help her once she understands that God doesn't hold her responsible for his behavior. Perhaps you and her spiritual advisor could work together to help her turn around her life.

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Permalink Reply by Ricky Strode on October 17, 2010 at 4:48pm

maybe it is an thought process and not really a belief or a combination of other beliefs that affects this belief. From what I get from what you have put on here would make me think that it is a combination of beliefs and thought processes. A belief can be proved wrong if something changes an active thought process. You do not have to actually do the belief change pattern here. It is similar to reframing, or switching the context in whic things are thought about or even embelishing certain parts of a process. You could also jut add to the thought process. If you can disassociate here from them beliefs, take the though processes make them seem rediculous to them, by adding in funny things or so on. You could also put in next step thought processes, so that if this happens, then this happens. There are so many posiblities with things such as these. I would start with what direction she want to go in. People either move away from pain or towards pleasure, It is much more fun to move towards pleasue so if you connect these things they seem to occur almost automatically afterwards. Submodalities are more often used to change how something influenes them physically if you do not set a direction from there, then it is still running ad infinite. That is an important part to remember. It is not what you do not want, but rather what do you want instead and in terms of yourself.

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on October 17, 2010 at 7:33pm

Does she want the belief to be removed?

John

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Permalink Reply by Leighton on October 18, 2010 at 12:33am

Hi,

She was a strong Catholic at the time of her husband's affairs (so was he, apparently). Yet she and her daughters were ex-communicated and cut off from the church, for not repeatedly forgiving him, and taking him back. She no longer believes in the Catholic faith, or Christianity in general - but has adopted a much wider, spiritual perspective - though this belief in marriage still remains. Therefore, there are no longer any respected ordained clergy she can turn to for guidance in her beliefs, James and Chris.

The client does state that she wants the belief to be removed John - though much of what we have done so far (including parts therapy and re-framing in regression) has benefitted her generally, the belief system remains. Perhaps doing some metaphor work with the belief may help - incorporating some of the principles Ricky mentions?

Leighton

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Permalink Reply by James Malone on October 18, 2010 at 2:42am

Just a thought, perhaps some sort of parts or imagery approach where she "excommunicates" the negative belief?



Leighton said:

Hi,

She was a strong Catholic at the time of her husband's affairs (so was he, apparently). Yet she and her daughters were ex-communicated and cut off from the church, for not repeatedly forgiving him, and taking him back. She no longer believes in the Catholic faith, or Christianity in general - but has adopted a much wider, spiritual perspective - though this belief in marriage still remains. Therefore, there are no longer any respected ordained clergy she can turn to for guidance in her beliefs, James and Chris.

The client does state that she wants the belief to be removed John - though much of what we have done so far (including parts therapy and re-framing in regression) has benefitted her generally, the belief system remains. Perhaps doing some metaphor work with the belief may help - incorporating some of the principles Ricky mentions?

Leighton

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on October 18, 2010 at 9:39am

Leighton,
Ah, then this has parts therapy written all over it. I would suggest presenting to the part that holds on to the belief, that divorcement was specifically granted by God in the Christian Bible, as a recourse specifically for adultery, that was forbidden by God's commandment. Her husband's repeated activities put the rest of the family at risk for exposure to STD's etc, so her divorce was a necessary act for the safety of her and her family. What she learned via the Catholic doctrines were rules made by man, not god.

I hope that helps
John



Leighton said:

Hi,

She was a strong Catholic at the time of her husband's affairs (so was he, apparently). Yet she and her daughters were ex-communicated and cut off from the church, for not repeatedly forgiving him, and taking him back. She no longer believes in the Catholic faith, or Christianity in general - but has adopted a much wider, spiritual perspective - though this belief in marriage still remains. Therefore, there are no longer any respected ordained clergy she can turn to for guidance in her beliefs, James and Chris.

The client does state that she wants the belief to be removed John - though much of what we have done so far (including parts therapy and re-framing in regression) has benefitted her generally, the belief system remains. Perhaps doing some metaphor work with the belief may help - incorporating some of the principles Ricky mentions?

Leighton

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Permalink Reply by Leighton on October 19, 2010 at 5:48am

Ah, wow - thanks so much John. That really clears things up for me - and gives a good angle from which to approach this! I particularly like James's suggestion too - on 'excommunicating' the problem belief :-) Not being a Christian myself, I wouldn't have known this information, had it not been pointed out.

As someone fairly new (1 year) in my hypnotherapy practice - I must say how wonderful HypnoThoughts is as a resource - a 'library' housing the cumulative knowledge of experts the world over.. I'm so pleased and thankful to be a part of it!

Thank you all so much ;-)

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Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on October 19, 2010 at 6:45am

Leighton,

I have had a lot of success with this unique metaphor...part of the process does identify the purpose of behavior/blocks and allow for negotiation. (And, yes, it does contain those NLP modality changes!)

It's great because I use it before formal trance but by the conclusion the client is fully primed for further work such as healing and suggestion.

Kelley

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