Using a pendulum to test suggestions...

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Permalink Reply by Antonio on November 26, 2009 at 5:00am

In regards to only using yes and no answers I look at it this way, one option is not a choice, two options is a predicament while three or more options is true choice and freedom.

Also why would you disregard a no? If your unconscious is saying no, its gotta be for a reason...keep on probing.

Mr Green said:

From my limited knowledge of the pendulum I think you might be able to relax your conscious mind further during the process if you just stick to yes/no answers.

Then discard all of the no's and work further with the yes answers, and by process of elimination, you may find more answers as your more relaxed rather than having to pay too much attention for all the different variables.

Thinking about it, your pendulum only answered Yes or No anyway, isn't it? Interesting..

Eventually you can tune yourself in so much that you will no longer need the pendulum, and that sounds like fun, eh?

cool


Paul~

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Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on November 26, 2009 at 7:35am

Antonio,

I love your threads on ideomotor pendulum work! Using this tool not only leads us to self-discovery and resolution of our own struggles, but it trains us to "speak" more effectively with the subconscious in general. It doesn't take long for someone to quickly discover how literally-minded the SC is and learn to phrase their thoughts and inquiries appropriately.

Newbies: Spend some time exploring with a pendulum...like Antonio, you will be amazed!

Best wishes,

Kelley

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on November 26, 2009 at 8:27am

It is hard to have a yes response, without a no response.

Even if you only calibrate for a yes response,
the lack of a 'yes response' then becomes a 'No response' by default.

The other options: (I don't know, rather not answer, and can you rephrase that.)
seem like very useful feedback to have.

However, I am interested Antonio,
that you got a 'Solid no' to your question,
rather than a 'Can you rephrase that'
and yet you chose to rephrase it and got a 'yes'
which makes me wonder how well your
'can you rephrase that response' was working.

Regardless, anthing that you can use to fine tune your self suggestions,
wether it be consciously or unconsciously,
can only be good for you in the long run

However, I would not relegate
all my decicions to the whim of an IMR.

I have seen people in resturants, wasting ages,
dangling a pendulum over the menu,
rather than just choosing what they fancied.

I chose my lottery numbers,
by this process about fifteen years ago,
with the full expectation of winning £7,000,000
I have stuck to those numbers
faithfully since then, and so far,
have been spectacularly unsuccessful!

LOve and hugs,

Fable

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Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on November 26, 2009 at 8:31am

Don't listen to Fable, he's lying! He's one of the most successful hypnotists here.

Fable said: "so far, have been spectacularly unsuccessful!"

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on November 26, 2009 at 3:02pm

Ha ha ha, kelly that made me laugh,

I was of course speaking only of my success with the national lottery.

Love and hugs,

Fable

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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on November 26, 2009 at 7:34pm

Actually ... I have seen pendulum answer charts with four answer points. Yes, No, maybe, and Don't Know. Brian David Phillips has done some videos in which he deals with the pendulum as a device for asking questions of your unconcious mind. I have a friend who does energy work and she uses the pendulum as a scanning device to find energy blockages in her clients. The pendulum has some interesting features as a hypnotic tool.

Hugh Cole

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Permalink Reply by Beverly Lieb, C.Ht. on November 26, 2009 at 9:17pm

Antonio...you have me wondering if utilizing the pendulum would be an alternative method of answering the "yes", "no", or "maybe/not sure" questions on the Suggestibility Test I use in the first session....in lieu of using a head shake or head nod. (I ask the client not to verbalize, but rather, to shake their head "yes" or nod their head "no"). It seems to me that using the pendulum would create even more overload of message units and facilitate the conversion to hypnosis even more rapidly.

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Permalink Reply by Antonio on November 27, 2009 at 12:29am

Yeah I believe you can use the pendulum as a convincer..actually, let me rephrase that, you CAN use the pendulum as a convincer. Possibly something along the lines of "sooner or later the pendulum will begin swinging in a direction...I'm not sure what direction it will be swinging in, only your unconscious knows what direction it will be swinging in..and as you notice this pendulum starting to swing you may also notice/become aware/etc."

Beverly Lieb, C.Ht. said:

Antonio...you have me wondering if utilizing the pendulum would be an alternative method of answering the "yes", "no", or "maybe/not sure" questions on the Suggestibility Test I use in the first session....in lieu of using a head shake or head nod. (I ask the client not to verbalize, but rather, to shake their head "yes" or nod their head "no"). It seems to me that using the pendulum would create even more overload of message units and facilitate the conversion to hypnosis even more rapidly.

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Permalink Reply by Beverly Lieb, C.Ht. on November 27, 2009 at 4:08am

Antonio, that's a good idea, but didn't address what I was referring to. I have yes and no questions I ask in the first session to test suggestibility before I condition the client to hypnosis. I ask them not to verbalize, but to nod their head "yes" or shake their head "no". I was thinking maybe I could calibrate the pendulum to their yes, no, and maybe, and us the pendulum instead of the head nod or shake. If the client is open to pendulums and doesn't have a problem withe them, I think it could be an alternative method to getting the yes/no/maybe for the suggestibility tests. So thank you anyway, for triggering that idea for me!

Antonio said:

Yeah I believe you can use the pendulum as a convincer..actually, let me rephrase that, you CAN use the pendulum as a convincer. Possibly something along the lines of "sooner or later the pendulum will begin swinging in a direction...I'm not sure what direction it will be swinging in, only your unconscious knows what direction it will be swinging in..and as you notice this pendulum starting to swing you may also notice/become aware/etc."

Beverly Lieb, C.Ht. said:

Antonio...you have me wondering if utilizing the pendulum would be an alternative method of answering the "yes", "no", or "maybe/not sure" questions on the Suggestibility Test I use in the first session....in lieu of using a head shake or head nod. (I ask the client not to verbalize, but rather, to shake their head "yes" or nod their head "no"). It seems to me that using the pendulum would create even more overload of message units and facilitate the conversion to hypnosis even more rapidly.

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Permalink Reply by Antonio on November 27, 2009 at 4:26am

There is also the chance that the person would deliberately fake the questions, possibly to give you what they think you want to know. Anyhow, why would a person want to test for suggestibility? Everyone is suggestible. I look at it this way, since a person is coming to you for help/become hypnotized, etc. they are expecting it to happen. If you want to see some great examples of using a pendulum for hypnosis check out Brian David Phillips in these following videos:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7140971984583148489&ei=...

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqGR2xMYWlg

Beverly Lieb, C.Ht. said:

Antonio, that's a good idea, but didn't address what I was referring to. I have yes and no questions I ask in the first session to test suggestibility before I condition the client to hypnosis. I ask them not to verbalize, but to nod their head "yes" or shake their head "no". I was thinking maybe I could calibrate the pendulum to their yes, no, and maybe, and us the pendulum instead of the head nod or shake. If the client is open to pendulums and doesn't have a problem withe them, I think it could be an alternative method to getting the yes/no/maybe for the suggestibility tests. So thank you anyway, for triggering that idea for me!

Antonio said:

Yeah I believe you can use the pendulum as a convincer..actually, let me rephrase that, you CAN use the pendulum as a convincer. Possibly something along the lines of "sooner or later the pendulum will begin swinging in a direction...I'm not sure what direction it will be swinging in, only your unconscious knows what direction it will be swinging in..and as you notice this pendulum starting to swing you may also notice/become aware/etc."

Beverly Lieb, C.Ht. said:

Antonio...you have me wondering if utilizing the pendulum would be an alternative method of answering the "yes", "no", or "maybe/not sure" questions on the Suggestibility Test I use in the first session....in lieu of using a head shake or head nod. (I ask the client not to verbalize, but rather, to shake their head "yes" or nod their head "no"). It seems to me that using the pendulum would create even more overload of message units and facilitate the conversion to hypnosis even more rapidly.

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Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on November 27, 2009 at 1:10pm

Hi Antonio,

I don't believe that a person seeking hypnotic help automatically expects it to happen and indeed, may have more, undisclosed reasons for it NOT to happen. That's one reason why we use convincers along with a sound pre-talk. I regularly use finger ideomotor signaling to confirm that the subconscious is on board with the work that we are doing.

Regards,

Kelley

Antonio said:

There is also the chance that the person would deliberately fake the questions, possibly to give you what they think you want to know. Anyhow, why would a person want to test for suggestibility? Everyone is suggestible. I look at it this way, since a person is coming to you for help/become hypnotized, etc. they are expecting it to happen. If you want to see some great examples of using a pendulum for hypnosis check out Brian David Phillips in these following videos:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7140971984583148489&ei=...

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqGR2xMYWlg

Beverly Lieb, C.Ht. said:

Antonio, that's a good idea, but didn't address what I was referring to. I have yes and no questions I ask in the first session to test suggestibility before I condition the client to hypnosis. I ask them not to verbalize, but to nod their head "yes" or shake their head "no". I was thinking maybe I could calibrate the pendulum to their yes, no, and maybe, and us the pendulum instead of the head nod or shake. If the client is open to pendulums and doesn't have a problem withe them, I think it could be an alternative method to getting the yes/no/maybe for the suggestibility tests. So thank you anyway, for triggering that idea for me!

Antonio said:

Yeah I believe you can use the pendulum as a convincer..actually, let me rephrase that, you CAN use the pendulum as a convincer. Possibly something along the lines of "sooner or later the pendulum will begin swinging in a direction...I'm not sure what direction it will be swinging in, only your unconscious knows what direction it will be swinging in..and as you notice this pendulum starting to swing you may also notice/become aware/etc."

Beverly Lieb, C.Ht. said:

Antonio...you have me wondering if utilizing the pendulum would be an alternative method of answering the "yes", "no", or "maybe/not sure" questions on the Suggestibility Test I use in the first session....in lieu of using a head shake or head nod. (I ask the client not to verbalize, but rather, to shake their head "yes" or nod their head "no"). It seems to me that using the pendulum would create even more overload of message units and facilitate the conversion to hypnosis even more rapidly.

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