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Permalink Reply by Karen Lockman on November 22, 2009 at 7:46pm

Scripts usually won't do it for weight loss.... You need to regress to cause. Find out why she has to need to eat food for comfort, to fill up the empty spaces, find out who removed the sweetness from her life, etc. Change the perception of past events, and the response changes in future events. Remember, the subconscious mind is nothing more than a blueprint of response, but the blueprint is everything that you've ever experienced before; and the subconscious mind works a million times faster than the conscious mind (reference Bruce Lipton and his book, "The Biology of Belief", and Dave Elman's book "Hypnotherapy"). You can learn these techniques from Omni Hypnosis Training Center in DeLand, FL with Jerry Kein who learned directly from Dave Elman. Do regression, find the initial sensitizing event, do inner child work, change perception, go to the initial event you regressed from and notice that it's the same feelings as the child but the child doesn't feel that way any more, future pace and notice how the response has changed, etc. You may have to do forgiveness work. When they have a changed perception of themselves, they no longer need to eat for comfort, etc. They can live in the moment and let the past be what it is... the past. Then build up unconditional love of self and respect for their body. Then... and only then... can the direct suggestion for healthy eating and exercise can be accepted as their new way of being.
Karen

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on November 22, 2009 at 9:42pm

Personally, I would do parts therapy and find out why she is gaining weight. Then go from there.

John

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Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on November 22, 2009 at 10:00pm

I agree with John, use Parts. And, teach her self hypnosis to deal with her distress state.

You can assuage some of her distress about the weight gain by explaining that the scale is not always the best measure of weight reduction and that water retention and hormone activity levels can influence it by several pounds. Now that she is exercising, she is probably gaining muscle (which is about 18% more dense than fat) and losing fat.

Best wishes,

Kelley

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on November 22, 2009 at 11:59pm

Hi Sue,

First to answer your question as if the client gained weight because of the hypnotic suggestion or not, If you helped her quit smoking then yes It is possible, and if you are helping her with weight loss, then the 4 pound have nothing to do with hypnosis, It is easily to drop the bomb on you and on the hypnosis session, this way she is protected from being blamed or accused. If I had client who tolled me that they gained from my hypnotic session, oh yes, many times, and I did explained to them how hyonosis work again, and pointed out that for them to lose weight they must want it deeply, and YES they will say this is what I want and this is why I am here... then you say, Great, In this case, you must understand that that we need to work together as a team to help you lose weight, and make sure I can find out what is the hidden cause.

Also remind the client that it takes time to get out of her old comfort zone, also you must recognize the issue, this client is telling you out loud I am depressed, she tells you that she crawls into bed, and that she is unmotivated, cries uncontrollably, and that she is a basket case.

And Hypnosis is everything to help her to gain confidence, motivation, new positive image, and find out if she is on medication, have diabetics, high cholesterol, drinks? all this can help her gain more...

Find out what are her eating habits?

Also I suspect you worked too fast with having her face her future where she will be meeting someone new... I think her future and finding her soul mate is the trigger for her weigh gain, If I am correct, you can work with her on her fear of not having a partner, but now concentrate on having her be healthy, exercising, eating right, being motivated, boost her self esteem etc...

What is her weight and height, what was her weight when she was younger?
and what is her perfect weight that she want to be?

All the best, Doreen Cohanim C.Ht
www.HypnoCruise.com

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on November 23, 2009 at 1:52am

Polarity responses are not that uncommon.

When a person has depression,
a session of hypnosis,
or even just deep relaxation,
or meditation,
can sometimes bring those feelings to the surface,
and the person can feel worse rather than better.


I think you gave us the biggest clue with your last sentence:
"Client has many issues...fyi."

When this is the case,
then I would usually not do much direct work on the weight loss
during the first sessions.

I would work gently.
certainly not do regression to cause.

I would want to get some progress, in the general coping capacity,
by doing lots of gentle letting go work,
and building in more positive states.
(as you did with the ego strengthening etc)

and then having established a working relationship,
begin to focus more on the weight.

You could tell your client that
"her response is an indication that you need to take a different approach,
and tackle things in the right order."

Hope this is helpful,

LOve and hugs,

Fable

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Permalink Reply by Andrea Crouch, CHt. on November 23, 2009 at 9:21am

I think all of the responses here are right on target- to add to these responses I would absolutely re-frame the clients current behavior and let her know that even though it feels uncomfortable right now (the basket case reference) it is actually a positive signal from her that she is now paying attention to her feelings and letting herself have them (cry). Most of the time when people eat out of an "emotional hunger" they are not giving themselves the right to have feelings and are not letting those feelings or signals from the subconscious mind be present and they are stuffing them down (literally) with the food. So let her know she did a good thing by paying attention and having this "release" of feelings as they were brought to the surface thatpast week and have her know that now that she has done that the two of you can move onto the next step. Allow her to feel that she has made progress in doing that so that she doesn't feel that she has taken a step back by the 4 pounds. Also, as it was said previously, 4 pounds or even 5 or 6 for that matter can be gained and lost in 1 day due to water retention, hormonal triggers, eating something extremely salty then drinking a ton of water, many things.

On her next session try taking her to the last time she was over eating or making a poor food choice- have her tell you any emotions she felt right before she ate, this will help her get in touch with those emotions so that they don't unconsciously draw her to the food.

Andrea

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on November 23, 2009 at 9:39am

I agree with Fable,

"Certainly not do regression to cause", the more Information you have the better you can help your client.

Doreen Cohanim C.Ht

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Permalink Reply by Karen Lockman on November 23, 2009 at 11:23am

Doreen:

You say, "the more information you have the better you can help your client." And how are you going to find this information that is not known to the conscious mind without "regress to cause?" Using emotional regression will help you find this information. As you know, if the conscious mind was aware of the cause, it would have already changed it, so we use techniques to access this information in the subconscious.

I have great success with "regress to cause" as I was taught by Jerry Kein just as he learned from Dave Elman. This is what he teaches all his students to do, and some are the most successful in the world. Unfortunately, most hypnotists have not been trained in regression techniques, do not know how to deal with an abreaction, or how to change perception of the found event, so they should probably avoid regression.

It is unfortunate that there are no standards of training for hypnotism.

A good analogy is... driving down the freeway and you hear "thump, thump" coming from the front of your car and it's hard to steer. Pretty scary. You pull into an auto shop, the attendant looks at your car and says you have a hole in your tire. He puts air in the tire and sends you on your way. Now you're always scared because you are aware of the hole but don't know when it's going to go flat and scare you again. But if the attendant says, "You have a hole in your tire," takes the tire off, fixes the hole with a sturdy patch so it's like new, and then fills the tire with air and sends you on your way... now you drive off self confident that all is well and you enjoy the ride... Change in perception.

But... if the hole is in the tire, you are NOT aware of it, and it's never fixed but just temporarily inflated from time to time, then it may affect you adversely at different intervals in your journey of life, just like the temporary fixes with only direct suggestion and visualization work.

Just my two cents. Karen

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on November 23, 2009 at 3:59pm

worth just two cents in my opinion.

never rush to use regression to cause,
until you have set up a good working relationship, and
untill you have done all the usual things which work better,
and are more appropriate.
it doesn't matter which 'expert' told you that was the way to go.

use your own inteligence.

clients need to be treated with a modicum of respect.

love and hugs,

Fable

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Permalink Reply by Craig Homonnay on November 23, 2009 at 5:53pm

I agree with Karen
I specialised in weight loss for a long time ...I have really tried it all ...NLP ...DS ...etc
But the results were pretty hit and miss ....as soon as I started using regression and release work my success rate climbed dramatically .....

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Permalink Reply by Karen Lockman on November 23, 2009 at 6:54pm

Craig, thank you. Karen

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Permalink Reply by Doreen Cohanim C.Ht on November 23, 2009 at 6:58pm

Hello Karen,

Sure, "the more information you have the better you can help your client", It's called "building rapport" by
asking questions.
You only "regress to cause" when nothing else helped, without building a rapport, you can trigger more negative emotions then helping your client.

I am happy for you for having a great success with "regress to cause" , I have to ask this, did Jerry Kein and Dave Elman suggest to do "the regress to cause" before you build a rapport?

Fortunately I am trained to do the regression techniques, and I know how to deal with an ab-reaction, and how to change perception of the found event, and I never suggested to avoid regression, not sure why you are assuming that, but that's OK... after all It's only an assumption :).

Great analogy, but the full rapport is still missing? Therefore you cannot compare this to an depression that have many complicated structures, made up of several layers. It is best to find out more about the emotional upsets and only then when It is best to help a client. I mean when they are stronger and ready to deal with deeper soul healing to the cause.

Complicated Layers are to be taken care of step by step and very carefully, since you don't want to peel the skin, since it may reveal some deep scares that were in the process of healing any ways.

By the way nothing is better changing the perception, as long as it is relevant to the presenting issue.

All the best, Respectfully, Doreen Cohanim C.Ht
www.HypnoCruise.com

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