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I was recently contacted by a hypnotist who I think could use our help. I won't use his real name, so let's just call him "Nathan" for the sake of this discussion. Nathan started learning hypnosis about two years ago from the Tad James system. He took all the classes Tad's company offered and nothing else. He had studied Tad's stuff diligently and exclusively. He hadn't heard of Gil Boyne or Roy Hunter or many other people I would think someone with two years experience would have heard of.
Nathan said most of his part time practice was focused on smoking cessation, which made sense to me for the amount of training he had. When I told him that I didn't read scripts to clients he was really impressed and asked if I had even created my own induction. This was a completely new concept to him and he was fascinated by the idea of not using a script. It sounded like he was moving in a great direction and going to keep building on his skills and practice until he said something that scared me.
He is teaching classes in hypnosis.
Specifically, he has been teaching the three day weekend certification classes we see talked about every now and then. One year after he started learning hypnosis he was teaching hypnosis. There were other parts of his business that were built on supporting practicing hypnotists but I don't want to go into details and violate his anonymity. This isn't about bashing the guy or the training he received.
Nathan seems like a good guy who genuinely wants to be good at helping people. Right now he definitely doesn't have the knowledge necessary to be teaching, and I'm not familiar enough with Tad's work to know if he has enough skill to run a full time practice (I'm sure there are people in this community who can better answer that).
Many years ago I was in the same place Nathan is in now. I finished my training certain I had learned everything I needed to and was on my way to being the best hypnotist ever. I was 19 years old and ready to take the hypnosis world by storm. Thank God Michael Ellner, Janet Macy, and Jim Duncan got a hold of me and showed me how little I knew and how much there was left to explore. Nathan doesn't have the luxury of the people I just mentioned because he has never heard of any of them. All he knows are the names of the people who have been trainers for Tad. (again, this isn't about denigrating Tad or his content, but emphasizing that is a single school of thought with no outside influence).
My question is this: What should Nathan study next?
Do you have any advice for someone in his position? What are the order of operations you would suggest to get from where he is to being great at hypnotherapy? What will it take for him to be a great practitioner and trainer?
Please keep this conversation on topic and productive. This isn't about mocking anyone or discouraging people. This is why we are here, to offer mentorship and guidance to people who need it, and in doing so to further our profession. Let's keep this conversation classy and helpful for the hundreds of people who are in the exact same position as Nathan.
Thanks for your input,
Scott
Nathan said most of his part time practice was focused on smoking cessation, which made sense to me for the amount of training he had. When I told him that I didn't read scripts to clients he was really impressed and asked if I had even created my own induction. This was a completely new concept to him and he was fascinated by the idea of not using a script. It sounded like he was moving in a great direction and going to keep building on his skills and practice until he said something that scared me.
He is teaching classes in hypnosis.
Specifically, he has been teaching the three day weekend certification classes we see talked about every now and then. One year after he started learning hypnosis he was teaching hypnosis. There were other parts of his business that were built on supporting practicing hypnotists but I don't want to go into details and violate his anonymity. This isn't about bashing the guy or the training he received.
Nathan seems like a good guy who genuinely wants to be good at helping people. Right now he definitely doesn't have the knowledge necessary to be teaching, and I'm not familiar enough with Tad's work to know if he has enough skill to run a full time practice (I'm sure there are people in this community who can better answer that).
Many years ago I was in the same place Nathan is in now. I finished my training certain I had learned everything I needed to and was on my way to being the best hypnotist ever. I was 19 years old and ready to take the hypnosis world by storm. Thank God Michael Ellner, Janet Macy, and Jim Duncan got a hold of me and showed me how little I knew and how much there was left to explore. Nathan doesn't have the luxury of the people I just mentioned because he has never heard of any of them. All he knows are the names of the people who have been trainers for Tad. (again, this isn't about denigrating Tad or his content, but emphasizing that is a single school of thought with no outside influence).
My question is this: What should Nathan study next?
Do you have any advice for someone in his position? What are the order of operations you would suggest to get from where he is to being great at hypnotherapy? What will it take for him to be a great practitioner and trainer?
Please keep this conversation on topic and productive. This isn't about mocking anyone or discouraging people. This is why we are here, to offer mentorship and guidance to people who need it, and in doing so to further our profession. Let's keep this conversation classy and helpful for the hundreds of people who are in the exact same position as Nathan.
Thanks for your input,
Scott
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Permalink Reply by casey on -
i don't know who tad james is, but it sounds like this guy knows about as much as i do. the big difference is i know i don't know much, so i guess thats a start.
i cant wait to read the responses to this, because i'm on the list of people who will benefit from the advice. i'm still learning as well and looking to figure out what i do next. the hypno summit was awesome because it showed me people and stuff i had never heard of. this site does that too.
thanks again scott for having these resources for people like me and "nathan".
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Permalink Reply by Richard Nongard - NLPBoard.com on -
He should master every page of trancework by Michael yapko - although he will know much of this - the yapko book is very detailed and useful in understanding the utility of hypnosis. He should lerm rapid induction ala John Cerbone, Brian David Phillips and Sean Michael Anthony. He should mater the use of hypnotic phenomena the best textbook is by John edgette and he should master every chapter. He shoul read and bookmark Cory hammonds big red book. From there he will be light years ahead of many. Then learning parts therapy, stage hypnosis, metaphysical hypnosis he will round out areas of personal intrest. I would add a course in medical pain management from Ron eslinger or another skilled medical hynotist.
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Permalink Reply by Kathleen Hanover on
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I'm not a hypnotherapist, but as a client, I'd want my hypnotherapist to learn from people who disagree with each other (and possibly even hate each other). That's what my hypno has done, and he's pretty awesome, so it seems like a great strategy to me.
It's the same in the swing dance world (the realm in my life in which I've taken the most specialized training.) The more instructors you learn from, the better you get. And learning from all the different schools of thought makes you that much more well-rounded, no matter what discipline you're talking about.
Another interesting analog with swing dancing and hypnosis...the more partners you dance with (or trance with) the better you get. Because then you're not focusing on the steps (or the script), you're focusing on what's happening in that moment, with your partner. You're not focusing on theory, but on practice, and you're getting instant feedback from leading or following. You can try things and see what happens.
I've been lucky enough to have individual phone or Skype sessions with several hypnotherapists in the past year, after connecting with them on HypnoThoughts, and it is remarkable how much I learned from those sessions, even as a client.
Also, as a client, I'd want to make sure that my hypnotherapist was always learning. I'd want to know what he's doing for continuing education. (In fact, I'll ask my hypno the next time we talk.)
Kathleen
(Not a hypnotherapist, but could probably do a decent induction
after a year of listing to my hypnotherapist's MP3s)
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Permalink Reply by Katherine Zimmerman on
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The books that Richard recommended are great. I'd add these books to his reading list: Transforming Therapy, Gil Boyne. Become the Dream and Regression Hypnotherapy by Randal Churchill.
Nothing replaces class room training so I would recommend that he start again and take training from an eclectic program that covers Ericksonian, regression, parts therapy, spiritual hypnotherapy, medical issues, dreams, inner child, etc. The ACHE schools have in-depth programs. There's a list at www.hypnotistexaminers.org
In order for him to be a great trainer he needs to be in private practice for at least 5 years, IMHO. Learning theory is great but what happens when it doesn't unfold that way in your office? After school is over we continue learning, not just from other great trainers, but from our clients. They have improved my skills immensely.
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Permalink Reply by Joe K Fobes on -
I would suggest he work with people while learning new material. Any new material.
When finished with that material he can move on to new material. Any new material.
Practice and learn at the same time.
Every system has some things that work for some people and every system has some things that don't work for some people.
So long as there are fresh ideas coming in and he has a chance to use them in practice, he will find that he naturally integrates and uses what works for him. That ought to help him develop a highly personal and effective style.
As for who to learn, they all have splendid ideas, Erickson, Elman, Boyne, Kein, Dobson, Overdurf, Hunter, Ledochowski, Eslinger, Cerbone/Nongard, Chase, Bandler/Grinder, Haley, Heller, Banyan, Phillips, Yapko, Hammonds, and a few others that are slipping my mind at the moment.
Between all that material he can keep himself getting better and better for years and years to come.
The key is that he practice as he studies.
I find personally that it matters not how many books I read, all that matters is the amount of clients I see while immersed in a particular system.
Joe
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Permalink Reply by Scott Sandland on -
I'd like to open up the framework of this discussion a little bit more.
I'd also like to add, if you want extra credit:
What advice can you give Nathan?
Good stuff so far. Thanks and let's keep it coming.
-Scott
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Permalink Reply by Pete & Lorraine on -
Our first course was mainly theory with not much practical but we were able to successfully work with clients,fortunately we were told about Gil Boyne read transformation therapy and Roy Hunters work on Parts Therapy. as we wanted to add NLP to our ability, to do this we had to do another two Hypnosis courses before we could do NLP which we did with Wilf Proudfoot which was a lot more practical and opened up a wider field of possibilities and learning. Lorraine had got into using Roy's Parts therapy and always wanted to meet and be taught by him, we had him over in the UK last year.
So I guess go to a few different schools, see and experience different approaches. I saw Richard and Jon on you tube which got me interested in quick inductions, I also use Carl Banyon's 8 word at times, because of this I can vary my approach to induce trance according to my clients. Because of all the various learnings from different schools of thought I am better able to adapt to my client to bring about the best possible outcome. So my advice learn, experience, practice and then if your going to teach put all your learning and experience together and extend your course 3 days is not enough time to get a good basic understanding of how to work with people.
Pete
Scott Sandland, C.Ht. said:I'd like to open up the framework of this discussion a little bit more.
I'd also like to add, if you want extra credit:
What advice can you give Nathan?
Good stuff so far. Thanks and let's keep it coming.
-Scott
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Permalink Reply by Jagi Egnell on -
Well the advice I would give Nathan is be open to others information. Even though things might not ring a bell at this time, they will sometime down the road. He might not agree with what others are teaching, it could be due who taught him or his own perceptions about how he thinks things should be. Who knows? I would also say there gold nuggets in almost everyone's way of teaching or what they are teaching and take what he finds useful and implement in his own way or a way that would be useful to him.
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Permalink Reply by Aaron Little on -
My first piece of advice would be for him to spend sometime reading here at HypnoThoughts. Doing so would go a long way in helping him to realize that there are things he does not know. Moving from unconscious ignorance to conscious ignorance is the first step.
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Permalink Reply by Richard Nongard - NLPBoard.com on
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Advice?
Dear Nathan, get, read and most importantly master the books I mentioned. Assuming you have no other background take the ACHE course, or my advanced training (Dallas and Austin) this summer....
I would also recommend building a private practice. Full-time or part-time does not matter, but seeing clients does. One cannot be an effecitive teacher withour experience with real life clients. No classroom can teach what you will learn from seeing people day in and day out.
I would recomend finding some people to mentor you, to bounce cases off of, and to spend time teaching you on a 1:1 basis....
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Permalink Reply by AJ on -
In addition to the wonderful suggestions presented:
Be sure to record, review and study your sessions. Ask yourself "How can I improve?" Pay attention to the tone of your voice, the speed of your delivery, your pacing, your pausing, your cadence and so on.
Train with as many instructors as you can afford. Seek out new books to read. Go online and explore what other hypnotherapy professionals are doing.
Dream about hypnosis. Practice self hypnosis daily. Experiment. Offer free sessions. Get hypnotized by other professionals. Make it a goal to become an instructor yourself one day.
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Permalink Reply by Duncan Murray on -
Okay Scott
You asked for an opinion...Read Yapko Tranceworks 3rd edition (I know Richard has already mentioned this but)....! Read Hartlands Medical and Dental Hypnosis (Waxman) 3rd edition! Also have a look at Trevor Silvester's books on Wordweaving - then read all the threads here.....
Then sit in a darkened room and go Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Digest it and then practice, practice, practice...and guess what get more practice...
Just my tuppence
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