What is different between a state of mind and hypnotic condition?

A state of mind is easily changed and hypnotic condition is some kind of environment?

I want more explanation....

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Permalink Reply by Rob Donnelly on February 23, 2012 at 2:55am

I would have though thet are very diffrent

A state of mind is your perception of your thoughts your reality tunnel and your model of the world Ie what you percive of the thoughts comming into your head thats why two diffrent people can see two diffrent meanings to the same event ... they have diffrent reality tunnels.

A hypnotic state to me would be a trance like state where you are in a position to accept suggestions to the unconcious mind that may help you reframe your reality tunnel. (sorry bit wooly)

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Permalink Reply by Sarah Grabke on February 23, 2012 at 6:48am

Ah, in germany we don't really have a word for "mind", which sometimes can be very difficult, if in english you talk about "changing minds". ;-)

From the top of my head I'd say that a state of mind is a certain way of thinking. For me the mind has much to do with the brain, which is thinking, logic, analysing, philosophy...

I don't know what you mean by "hypnotic condition", but a hypnotic state for me would probably be a way of perceiving yourself and/or the world around you. So if "mind" is more logical, brain, thinking, hypnosis is more feeling, perceiving, sensing in some way. That's what I think for now anyway...

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Permalink Reply by Hypno-Jay on February 23, 2012 at 7:01am

Connor has provided a very good answer courtesy of Dave Elman.

However, a state of mind to me is more to do with your mood and feelings. for e.g happy or sad is an emotion which governors your mood and State of mind. you cant be angry but have a relaxed mind, does this make sense ?

Hypnosis clears the mind and relaxes making it easier to learn new states of mind, this was rush typed, i know what im trying to say i hope it makes sense to you

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Permalink Reply by Barry Neale on February 23, 2012 at 8:15am

Guys, save yourself some time. Science still doesnt know what electricity is, but it doesnt stop me using it. Oh and that thing called gravity, they dont understand that either.

The only thing you need to is you can use hypnosis and states to create change.

Just use it and get results.

barry

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Permalink Reply by Sarah Grabke on February 23, 2012 at 8:27am

Good point barry, and a nice metaphor, too! I sometimes struggle to give definition or hesitate going too deep into an analysis of things myself. Maybe it really is best to know that we can use hypnosis and states to create change and that's it.

Barry Neale said:

Guys, save yourself some time. Science still doesnt know what electricity is, but it doesnt stop me using it. Oh and that thing called gravity, they dont understand that either.

The only thing you need to is you can use hypnosis and states to create change.

Just use it and get results.

barry

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Permalink Reply by Barry Neale on February 23, 2012 at 8:55am

i remember about 20 years ago sitting in a restuarant having a similar discussion with a friend of mine. We both had similar training but he was constantly asking "why this" and "what if" that. At this time I was already running a successful practice and he had yet to see his first client. He was having these deep theoretical thoughts and wanted to go on one last training which he thought would provide him some answers. I then said to him, "just think about this, for every hour you sit at home thinking "why" and "what if" i am earning £100.....

You could see the shift from across the room. He never went on that course. He started his business and never looked back.

Its taking action thats the key that keeps you at the top of your game, not theories.

barry

Connor Wyatt said:

Hey Barry,

Don't you think it's the nature of the human psyche that we always want to know why? It's why we are the dominant species on this planet :). Personally I find it intriguing, and I'm constantly hypothesising and thinking "what if?"

Keeps you on top of your game ;)

Connor Wyatt

Barry Neale said:

Guys, save yourself some time. Science still doesnt know what electricity is, but it doesnt stop me using it. Oh and that thing called gravity, they dont understand that either.

The only thing you need to is you can use hypnosis and states to create change.

Just use it and get results.

barry

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Permalink Reply by Claudiu Papasteri on February 24, 2012 at 5:21am

Is everyone familiar with the concept of "fist"? I bett you are. Do you have an internal image? I bett you do. Is it real? Well yes. Does it exist? Yes because you all have the mental image. Now, what happens if you unclench your fist? Oops, it disappears. Does that mean that it doesn't exist? I don't know. I still have the mental image thow, but now the only thing I see is my hand...So is the fist really the hand? In my mind it most certainly isn't.

This is one of the problems with our minds and our languages, we have nouns but not processes. The fist is a process though which the hand may go. Therapy goes long ways trying to transform/refraim problems to a finit process (being a failure to having failed some times) but we ourselves remain trapped while trying to explain "states" of mind and many more.

Clau

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on February 24, 2012 at 6:55am

I will offer a somewhat different opinion.

I have found that a state of mind is the current emotional condition as to how we feel about something.

A hypnotic condition, which I will interpret as a hypnotic trance state, is very different.

In a nutshell, a hypnotic trance condition exists when the focus of our attention is internal to the body and input from the senses is replaced by input from the imagination. Because the focus of our attention is internal to the body, the analytical part of the mind, the part of the mind that interfaces with the outside world and tells us what is real and true, goes dormant.

I hope that is understandable in the way that I said it

John

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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on February 24, 2012 at 7:09am

The idea that "Life is but a dream" speaks to life being a hypnotic experience and I believe that every state of mind is a hypnotic state in that our prior conditioning creates our automatic reactions which by definition by-passes the critical mind.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Andrade on February 25, 2012 at 2:53pm

Hi Anne J,

What will the correction explanation you are asking for solve for you?

What is the trouble you are having with two different things, with two things that can be similar, or two things that can be explained any way you want to understand them.

You say, "A state of mind is easily changed and hypnotic condition is some kind of environment." I say, "yes, they are."

How did you already know that, please explain.

Maybe your explanation will answer your own question.

Steve

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Permalink Reply by Leshem Yosef on February 25, 2012 at 10:31pm

It's remained me a story that support your idea Barry

So that's how its go:

One day the son of Bill Gates come to his father and ask him:

"Tell me daddy why is that the sun every morning start to rise from the east

and in the evening its going down from the west"

So Bill ask his son "tell me son this is the way that its working all the time"

His says "yes daddy"

So Bill told him "son if its working don't touch it"

;-)

Yosef

Barry Neale said:

Guys, save yourself some time. Science still doesnt know what electricity is, but it doesnt stop me using it. Oh and that thing called gravity, they dont understand that either.

The only thing you need to is you can use hypnosis and states to create change.

Just use it and get results.

barry

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on February 26, 2012 at 5:38am

There is another intangible you didn't mention Barry...magnetism.

I was presented with this same philosophy of "don't worry how it works, just use it the way you were taught and it will work fine"...when I took my training.

I ended up getting mediocre results and in a state of confusion when what I was taught didn't work consistently, especially when some of the things I was taught turned out not to even be true.

It didn't work very well for me. I do much better when I am presented with the how and why of something works.

If you understand how and why hypnosis works, you don't have to remember any specific verbiage, you just have to say what is required to achieve the desired results...in a definable and repeatable manner.

John

Barry Neale said:

Guys, save yourself some time. Science still doesnt know what electricity is, but it doesnt stop me using it. Oh and that thing called gravity, they dont understand that either.

The only thing you need to is you can use hypnosis and states to create change.

Just use it and get results.

barry