What is the fastest and the best way to induce somnambulism?

What is, in your opinion, the fastest and the best way to induce somnambulism? Please reply.
P.s. It doesn't have to be the same method, you can put the fastest way and also the best way, in your opinion.

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Permalink Reply by chris john on June 2, 2009 at 7:14am

You know, im pretty sure its impossible to induce somnambulism.
Your client or volunteer will either be a somnambulist or not.

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Permalink Reply by Gisli Freyr on June 2, 2009 at 7:46am

I am talking about a very deep trance where the subjects can have negative and positive hallucinations. I thought the subject would have to be in a somnambulistic state for that to happen so I used that term.

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Permalink Reply by Sean Michael Andrews on June 2, 2009 at 8:43am

Some people will go directly to an Arons 5 or 6 (hallucinations) from an instant induction like an arm pull or hand drop. These people are rare, 3% or so of the population in my experience. Some people call them "floppers" or "blow downs". Most people need deepening which takes a couple of minutes. Many people will never achieve Arons 5.

The Dave Elman induction is also very quick, just not as quick as the shock inductions.

Sean Michael Andrews
www.WorldsFastestHypnotist.com

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on June 2, 2009 at 9:20am

http://www.hypnothoughts.com/forum/topics/716892:Topic:98342

This takes about 30-45 seconds.

The "best" way is a subjective call. Any way that works for you is the best way.

Also, realize that there may be additional factors from subject to subject that may prevent the subejct from experiencing hallucinations, until those factors are addressed and corrected.

If they aren't, you'll end up like Scott and never experience a somnambulistic subject first hand and just think it is all myth. LOL.

I hope that helps
John

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Permalink Reply by Jeffrey Stephens on January 26, 2010 at 1:10pm

Gisli Freyr said:

I am talking about a very deep trance where the subjects can have negative and positive hallucinations. I thought the subject would have to be in a somnambulistic state for that to happen so I used that term.

Hello Gisli,

My definition is as follows: Somnambulist=One who can be induced using
virtually ANYTHING. A somnambulist will respond to any sensory system,
almost instantly, every time.

Somnambulism=A fully engaged, pronounced state of hypnosis in which
the subject will completely and instantly respond to instructions.

We all do intensifying/focusing/deepening. The desired result when I do
this is to achieve a point at which, for the subject, there truly is nothing
but me and my instructions.

A somnambulist will get to this state VERY quickly and extremely easily.

I know there are those who simply don't like the idea that the subject will
do what the hypnotist says without any decision to accept or reject - they
will just 'do as they are told'. These nay-sayers have, most likely very
little experience with genuine hypnosis.

However, I would also say that I don't believe in 'depth' in hypnosis. I view
it as a level of 'awareness'. This is why I normally refer to deepeners as
intensifiers. I use intensifiers to reduce the subject's awareness of the
environs. My intent is to reduce his/her awareness to the point that my own
words are all there is, and the instructions are simply followed without
question or evaluation.

I have produced positive and negative hallucinations, anesthesia, amnesia,
etc. all with virtually no intensifiers. I use intensifiers so that the change work
that I do is more focused and (to the best of my knowledge) permanent.

Jeff S

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Permalink Reply by Saul Rosenfeld on January 26, 2010 at 1:22pm

What's your hurry? Why are you in such a RUSH...?!
Clients/patients need sufficient TIME to be able to learn HOW to develop and experience trance,
and time to LEARN how to RESPOND while in trance.
This whole obsession with "instant" or "speed" hypnosis is both absurdly ignorant and highly counterproductive.
Amateur-Hour in the worst sense of the word.
Hypnosis 101.

Saul

www.HistoryOfHypnotism.com

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Permalink Reply by Jason Morton on January 26, 2010 at 2:04pm

I'm with Saul. Instant hypnosis is about as real as the tooth fairy.
I tried rapid inductions both by me and someone who claims to be a master of it. We tried it on 12 different people. The only caveat was they were to never have seen hypnosis performed or know what an induction was. Then we tried it on 16 people who all knew what an instant induction was.
Out of the ignorant 12 people none of them responded. Out of the 16 who knew what to do.... they all fell over like someone shot them.
Obviously the only people who will react to an instant induction are those who know how to react it. I have never seen anyone but another hypnotherapist or hypno student react as if they were instantly in trance.

I have tried all the fancy inductions and the fastest I have ever affected a trance was in 6 minutes. (I use a blood oxygen/pulse monitor to watch for changes and use eye movement to diagnose where the patient is at.... very effective.)

My hypno background started with meditation and neurological research. One thing I found that makes me very suspicious about instant inductions is that it takes a minimum of a minute to effectively change your brain wave patterns.The only times I saw different was when we applied EMF to the brain or through wave appropriate strobes lights. I also know as a lifetime meditator that it takes at least a minute to quite my mind and that doesn't include relaxing the body.

I do believe though that a person who knows how to react to instant induction and has reached trance before can be taught to be induced much faster. I still question the depth and working quality.

I don't mean to be contrary but I believe it is bunk. Try it yourself on someone who doesn't know how to flop and see how it works.

Namaste,
Jason

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Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on January 26, 2010 at 2:36pm

I hope you don't mind that I found out this is not true. Its nothing to do with speed, or instant inductions at all. Its just how the mind works with our natural ability for trance. A lot of the drawn out smoke and mirrors that some inductions have are a simple waste of time. Two minutes to somnambulism is the average for me with most people, as it was with Dave Elman. Shorter if they are easy, longer if they have any issues. This includes pretalk.

I've spent the last year trying to explain this to people, I have argued and debated til I am blue in the face. I am now over that. Lets just say I agree to disagree :)

John

Saul Rosenfeld said:

What's your hurry? Why are you in such a RUSH...?!
Clients/patients need sufficient TIME to be able to learn HOW to develop and experience trance, and time to LEARN how to RESPOND while in trance. This whole obsession with "instant" or "speed" hypnosis is both absurdly ignorant and highly counterproductive.
Amateur-Hour in the worst sense of the word.
Hypnosis 101.

Saul

www.HistoryOfHypnotism.com

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Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on January 26, 2010 at 3:34pm

Scott, when you cite your experience regarding the percentage of people who can achieve somnambulism, do these share certain traits or characteristics? Just curious...

Thanks, Kelley

edington said:

Scott Brown said:
Hi Gisl

Somnambulism is a fake word used to describe a fictitious state of mind, where a person is supposedly under the complete control of the hypnotist and can perform all the so-called hypnotic phenomena.

But like the Easter bunny is total fantasy kept alive simply to sell guff to the naive.

Everyone has seen the adverts on site, buy my 1.2.3 flying pixie induction DVD that will teach you to render even the most hardened skeptic of hypnosis under somnambulist control nonsense.

I know I write this shite for people’s sites.

If you drooling over a sexy female imagining what she looks like without her clothes on, then according to the characteristics and defintion of somnambulism your in a deep trance.

Warmest Regards

Scott

look up somnambulism in the oxford dictionary and you will find-walking or performing other actions during sleep; condition of brain inducing this; artifcial somnambulism, hypnotism. latin somnus-sleep, ambulare-walk.
so the word has 2 meanings and one is the deeper stages of hypnotism. this came about because an early name for hypnotism was artificial somnambulism as a person at this level looked like a natural somnambulist.
I know hypnosis is not sleep, but another way to describe is like being asleep with your eyes open. in other words, the subject is under the influence of the unconscious mind which can carry out most of the activities of the conscious mind, except it does not know what is real or unreal, which is how subjects can be made to entertain for stage hypnotism.
I will also quote from 'Medical and dental hypnosis by John Hartland, B.Sc., M.B.,Ch.B.,M.R.C.S., L.R.C.P. consulting psychiatrist, visiting psychiatrist hallam hospital, president of the british society of medical and dental hypnosis, life president of the midlands branch of the british society for medical and dental hypnosis, honorary fellow of the american society of clinical hypnosis, fellow of the international society for clinical and experimental hypnosis, editor of the british journal of clinical hypnosis.
this is a standard reference for students of hypnosis.
page 150-somnambulism, this is generally considered to be one of the deepest stages of hypnosis, and one of the most reliable tests of this condition is to cause the subject to open his eyes wiithout awakening from the trance. he will be able to see quite clearly, to talk and walk about whilst still remaining deeply hypnotized, and will carry out all the suggestions made to him by the hypnotist. if suggestions of alertness are made to him he will become just as wide awake as in the normal state. indeed it can sometimes be very difficult to tell whether a good somnambule is actually in a hypnotic state or not. possibly the only criteria by which this may be judged is the extent to which the subject will respond to suggestion. another test is the subjects ability to produce hallucinations.
all kinds of sense delusions can be produced in deep hypnotic states, many of which are so remarkable that anyone seeing them for the first time may well be excused for doubting the reality of the phenomena. in everyday life we all depend so completely upon our sense organs that it seems incredible that a few words or phrases can succeed in placing the hypnotic subject in entirely different surroundings. but before many phenomena such as these can be elicited, a very deep or somnambulistic trance is usually essential.

I have been put in a somnambulistic trance myself with amnesia for almost all of it and I've been told afterwards some of what I've done,including some things I woud not normally do before people.

however, it is generally accepted that only around one in five people can achieve somnambulism

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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on January 26, 2010 at 3:59pm

On The contrary Chris. Somnambulism is induced in a number of very well known ways. Sean mentions the Elman induction. Done correctly it will always result in somnambulism. John Cleesatal's technique is also highly effective. Most Stage Hypnotist's use a combination of differant techniques to fractionate thier volunteers to Somnambulism. The best way is as John says The one that works for you. But it doesn't have to be the "fastest" to be your "bestest".

Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet

chris john said:

You know, im pretty sure its impossible to induce somnambulism.
Your client or volunteer will either be a somnambulist or not.

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Permalink Reply by Joe K Fobes on January 26, 2010 at 4:46pm

lol.

You're all so funny. Minimum 6 minutes to som?! In this example I get a negative visual hallucination using text chat in far less than that (4 minutes 56 seconds to be exact, I started the induction at 3:12:26PM and got the response indicating the hallucination at 3:17:22PM).

Induce. Deepen. Tell them to go exactly where you want to go. Make sure they understand what you're saying "nod if you understand what I said" (that's from Jon Chase).

I tranced someone today and stuck their hand to the wall. I told him that there would be a 500lb weight pushing his hand into the wall. When I told him to try to unstick it, he got the hand unstuck. When I asked him afterward what happened he said "I have a fishtank at home that holds 55 gallons. Each gallon is about 10 pounds and so the whole thing is a bit over 500 pounds. I have moved that tank with my hand"
He accepted the suggestion that I gave, it happened to be an ill formulated one.

When your subject is in trance they will accept your suggestions. However they must know exactly what you want and they must know how to do it. If I have never felt my hand glued to a wall it will be rather difficult to feel it. I simply don't know how it feels.

So once again. Induce. Deepen. And tell them exactly what you want. Make sure they understand what you want and that they have a reference point so they can do what you want.

It's not very difficult, it just takes some careful thought.

Good luck.

Joe

www.wikihyp.com <----------- you can find transcripts of my text trance adventures here

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Permalink Reply by Greg M on January 26, 2010 at 5:26pm

People who have a life experience for which dissociation was a coping skill tend towards somnambulism. People who were hypnotized as teenagers or young adults, also. There may be other groups, but those two for sure.

Cheers!

Kelley Woods said:

Scott, when you cite your experience regarding the percentage of people who can achieve somnambulism, do these share certain traits or characteristics? Just curious...