Where they asleep?????

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Permalink Reply by James Hazlerig on December 14, 2009 at 8:49am

Hey, Gus,

Congrats on an excellent workshop. From the sounds of it, you didn't have people who were asleeep--you had people who were in deep trance! The external similarity between the two is one reason that hypnosis is named after the god of sleep (even though it's not an accurate name).

To answer your questions:

1. If they come back when you tell them to, they're not asleep.

If they snore, you can be sure they're asleep. If they don't come back when you tell them to, they might be asleep. (Or they might just not be ready to come back.)

2. Well, they definitely got the suggestions if they were in deep trance (as they appeared to be from your description).

Hypnotists debate whether suggestions given to a sleeper are effective. Cal Banyan, for example, warns clients that anyone who falls asleep during a session is taking a very expensive nap.

My experience indicates that you can be asleep and in trance at the same time. I once gave a powerful post-hypnotic suggestion to a client who was snoring during the session, only to see it carried out perfectly when she awoke. Other hypnotists have reported similar experiences.

3. I wouldn't worry about it. You did great.

Happy trancing,

James

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Permalink Reply by Gus on December 14, 2009 at 9:10am

Thank you so much James I appreciate your opinion
Gus

James Hazlerig said:

Hey, Gus,

Congrats on an excellent workshop. From the sounds of it, you didn't have people who were asleeep--you had people who were in deep trance! The external similarity between the two is one reason that hypnosis is named after the god of sleep (even though it's not an accurate name).

To answer your questions:

1. If they come back when you tell them to, they're not asleep.

If they snore, you can be sure they're asleep. If they don't come back when you tell them to, they might be asleep. (Or they might just not be ready to come back.)

2. Well, they definitely got the suggestions if they were in deep trance (as they appeared to be from your description).

Hypnotists debate whether suggestions given to a sleeper are effective. Cal Banyan, for example, warns clients that anyone who falls asleep during a session is taking a very expensive nap.

My experience indicates that you can be asleep and in trance at the same time. I once gave a powerful post-hypnotic suggestion to a client who was snoring during the session, only to see it carried out perfectly when she awoke. Other hypnotists have reported similar experiences.

3. I wouldn't worry about it. You did great.

Happy trancing,

James

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on December 14, 2009 at 9:47am

Sound to me too, that you did a good job,

You simply lost thier conscious minds for a while, but they all opeend their eyes when you suggested it.

I do not agree with James when He says: "If they snore, you can be sure they're asleep"
people can make grunts, heavy breathing, and other 'snoring sounds' in hypnosis, and sometimes be aware of doing so.

I Think if they are still responding to what is being said then they are awake, in hypnosis, and snoring.

LOve and hugs,

Fable

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Permalink Reply by Gus on December 14, 2009 at 10:08am

Thanks fable

Fable Goodman said:

Sound to me too, that you did a good job,

You simply lost thier conscious minds for a while, but they all opeend their eyes when you suggested it.

I do not agree with James when He says: "If they snore, you can be sure they're asleep"
people can make grunts, heavy breathing, and other 'snoring sounds' in hypnosis, and sometimes be aware of doing so.

I Think if they are still responding to what is being said then they are awake, in hypnosis, and snoring.

LOve and hugs,

Fable

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Permalink Reply by Walt Potter on December 14, 2009 at 10:22am

If folks have sleep apnea they can snore anytime they get very relaxed. It's all in the throat!

Fable Goodman said:

Sound to me too, that you did a good job,

You simply lost thier conscious minds for a while, but they all opeend their eyes when you suggested it.

I do not agree with James when He says: "If they snore, you can be sure they're asleep"
people can make grunts, heavy breathing, and other 'snoring sounds' in hypnosis, and sometimes be aware of doing so.

I Think if they are still responding to what is being said then they are awake, in hypnosis, and snoring.

LOve and hugs,

Fable

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Permalink Reply by Reg Blackwood - The Quicknotist on December 14, 2009 at 11:51am

Test next time: Some simple phenomena or a PHS.
That's what will set you aside from the relaxotherapists who don't care whether they were asleep or hypnotized.
When a PHS works, it helps the set the subconscious cement.

Reg
http://quicknotist.com/

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Permalink Reply by Gus on December 14, 2009 at 12:24pm

I am not familiar with PHS...what is it?
Gus

Reg Blackwood - The Quicknotist said:

Test next time: Some simple phenomena or a PHS.
That's what will set you aside from the relaxotherapists who don't care whether they were asleep or hypnotized.
When a PHS works, it helps the set the subconscious cement.

Reg
http://quicknotist.com/

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Permalink Reply by Carlos Santillan on December 14, 2009 at 12:40pm

I think PHS in this case refers to Post Hypnotic Suggestion


Gus said:

I am not familiar with PHS...what is it?
Gus

Reg Blackwood - The Quicknotist said:

Test next time: Some simple phenomena or a PHS.
That's what will set you aside from the relaxotherapists who don't care whether they were asleep or hypnotized.
When a PHS works, it helps the set the subconscious cement.

Reg
http://quicknotist.com/

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Permalink Reply by Fable Goodman on December 14, 2009 at 12:40pm

I suspect that Reg simply means giving them some sort of Post hypnotic suggestion,
which proves they are responding hypnotically.

If they respond, they feel more confident that your treatment will work,
If they don't, you give them licence to dismiss your treatment,
which may have worked fine otherwise.

I think it is a question of whether you feel you need to prove to your clients that they were in hypnosis,
or whether you are simply content to do good work,
nd leave it to them, to take what they can from that good work.

I tend to go somewhere in the middle,
I give clients ample opportunity within the session,
to realise that they are responding well,
without feeling the need to prove it with post hypnotic suggestions,
(other than the threrapeutic ones they need )

Love and hugs,


Fable

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Permalink Reply by Gus on December 14, 2009 at 12:50pm

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Post hipnotic sugestion....your right. Sorry

Reg Blackwood - The Quicknotist said:

Test next time: Some simple phenomena or a PHS.
That's what will set you aside from the relaxotherapists who don't care whether they were asleep or hypnotized.
When a PHS works, it helps the set the subconscious cement.

Reg
http://quicknotist.com/

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Permalink Reply by Reg Blackwood - The Quicknotist on December 14, 2009 at 1:55pm

No. It's not about proof for the client, it's about testing your work.

You should of course, be able to recognise the signs, but in the event of not being sure, TEST - with phenomena. Why not?
The PHS (I added as an after-thought) can be solidification (albeit subconsciously) for the client.
Borrowing from John Cerbone, it could be: "You won't know WHY you find my red pen so funny, it just is."

Going back to the original post, I don't believe "waking on 5" is a good enough indicator.

In my opinion, not knowing whether your client was Hypnotised or not isn't a good position to be in.
Worse, it could be seen as a sign of not wanting to know/caring.

Lack of testing/not recognising the signs is a problem in our industry.
How many people ask for their money back from a Hypnotist? They're more likely to simply go around spreading their opinion that Hypnosis "doesn't work" and that's not good for any of us.

But what would I know eh? I'm just a funny Street and Stage Hypnotist guy, like those so despised by some on this forum.

I feel a rant blog coming on!

Reg
http://quicknotist.com/


Fable Goodman said:

I suspect that Reg simply means giving them some sort of Post hypnotic suggestion,
which proves they are responding hypnotically.

If they respond, they feel more confident that your treatment will work,
If they don't, you give them licence to dismiss your treatment,
which may have worked fine otherwise.

I think it is a question of whether you feel you need to prove to your clients that they were in hypnosis,
or whether you are simply content to do good work,
nd leave it to them, to take what they can from that good work.

I tend to go somewhere in the middle,
I give clients ample opportunity within the session,
to realise that they are responding well,
without feeling the need to prove it with post hypnotic suggestions,
(other than the threrapeutic ones they need )

Love and hugs,


Fable

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Permalink Reply by Henxy on December 15, 2009 at 3:26am

Snoring/grunting/involuntary throat sounds are indicative of a partial airway blockage... Not ideal! And apnoea is more about short-duration cessation of breathing, rather than noisy breathing...

Walt Potter said:

If folks have sleep apnea they can snore anytime they get very relaxed. It's all in the throat!

Fable Goodman said:

Sound to me too, that you did a good job,

You simply lost thier conscious minds for a while, but they all opeend their eyes when you suggested it.

I do not agree with James when He says: "If they snore, you can be sure they're asleep"
people can make grunts, heavy breathing, and other 'snoring sounds' in hypnosis, and sometimes be aware of doing so.

I Think if they are still responding to what is being said then they are awake, in hypnosis, and snoring.

LOve and hugs,

Fable

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