Why-oh-why do I hear so much about regression to cause?

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Permalink Reply by AJ on February 25, 2010 at 10:16am

With pleasure, Duncan, I shall explain why regression work is useful to the well being of a client. Today I had a 90-minute session with a client for nail biting and sugar addiction. The resolution came after a unifying parts therapy session between the mouth, the ears, the stomach and the hands. The unanswered question, "Why do you need to have something in your mouth?" begged to be answered. The "healing moment" for the client came when the cause was revealed. The answer had nothing to do with the info extracted during the parts session. In the regression, "Go back to the first time you need to have something in your mouth.", it was revealed that mom's dishonesty was the root cause of both presenting issues.

Dr. Regal
regalhypnosis.com

Permalink Reply by Pete & Lorraine on February 25, 2010 at 11:31am

We use the IMR to ask if the client needs to regress to resolve the problem, some don't but most do and it's not always bad stuff such as truama a lot of the time it is silly insignificant situations incorrectly held by the subconscious playing the emotions out inappropriately when a trigger is close to the ISE, therefore the there and then is being played out in the hear and now. Dealing with the cause releases a lot of emotions, stored for years, incorrect perceptions or beliefs about what happened to them are also cleared up, one person grew up believing that a parent had abused them because of what they were told, a kid caught up in the parents fight, it turned out nothing had happened it was just a walk in the woods, because of the healing work when finishing the regression and a better understanding of their past some of our clients have better relationship with their parents or siblings or they know were never abused, and where it has, they get to have their say to who ever hurt them. Dealing with here and now is great, we have done some great work, however there are times when getting to the source and dealing with it can have a positive knock on effect as several problems can be tied into the one area of their life.

Pete

Permalink Reply by AJ on February 25, 2010 at 11:37am

My "friend"? Are you on some substance that needs to be addressed? Yikes, I can assist. Only the best, Doc

Ian Jay said:

Duncan

Take any answer from any lay 'hypnotherapist' without a degree in Psych, hypnotherapy, or CBT with a large pinch of salt, if you are looking for evidence. Most of the therapists here have no formal or accredited qualification in hypnotherapy, Psych or CBT. And you can ignore a few of the Dr, Doc, Doctor, PhD appendages.

PM if you need clarification.

Although I expect some to try to defend the un-defendable, and excuse the un-exusable, this is my last word.

IJ

Permalink Reply by Pete & Lorraine on February 25, 2010 at 11:54am

Having a degree shows you studied hard and passed an exam, it doesn't make you a therapist. There is therapist local to us with a couple of the said degrees and he leaves his client in the room with a recording, so we hear from several of our clients who had been to seen him, they wondered why we were still in the room with them!!!!!

Pete

Ian Jay said:

Duncan

Take any answer from any lay 'hypnotherapist' without a degree in Psych, hypnotherapy, or CBT with a large pinch of salt, if you are looking for evidence. Most of the therapists here have no formal or accredited qualification in hypnotherapy, Psych or CBT. And you can ignore a few of the Dr, Doc, Doctor, PhD appendages.

PM if you need clarification.

Although I expect some to try to defend the un-defendable, and excuse the un-exusable, this is my last word.

IJ

Permalink Reply by Susan French on February 25, 2010 at 11:59am

I subsequently took a course from Mark Tyrrell and Jill Wooten at Uncommon Knowledge that was called the Rewind Technique. It was nothing new but there was tons and tons of neurological and psychological information that explained a lot to me. This technique was marketed as the Phobia Cure and for PTSD.

My observation is that most regression is taught by using an outdated psychological school of thought that really isn't used much anymore. Popular in the 60's, 70's I think. Regression could be wildly valuable if these problems were addressed.

I find it really, really helpful for tackling regression issues, though I do not agree that all issues go back to some deep, dark, , mysterious, singular cause. In fact, I think most issues are more prosaic and just based on how we've developed in general as well as life experience.

As Mark helped me to understand, it is a way to avoid the retraumatizing of a client by dumping them back into the original event and teaches a good technique for neutralizing the trauma in a way that causes the brain to reprocess the event so that it is no longer "stuck" in living, limbic-system activation and moves to different places in the brain where old memories that are no longer emotionally contaminated can be stored.

Their site is www.uncommonknowledge.com but I think it has a uk extension. If you google it, there is a business school by the same name. Look for the hypnosis one.

Susan
www.hypno4success.com

Permalink Reply by Michael on February 25, 2010 at 12:06pm

Ian's sentiments mirror some of those set forth by a person on various yahoo groups, also opposed to regression techniques used in hypnosis. That person on yahoo made inflammatory comments and when challenged or asked to expand on what would be an appropriate technique either never answered or left the group.

As to the use of regression, there are many times our clients come in because of a symptom and not always the cause. Regression can allow us to discover what the subconscious mind (which has no concept of time) identifies as the cause and work with it. If the cause is a misunderstanding from early childhood - how often do adults take the time to fully explain to a child afterall - then regression allows the adult aspect of the self to give that explanation. If the cause is based in reality, then we have material to work on the forgiveness process. Like many things in the practice of hypnosis, it is merely a tool to uncover and discover the best way to help our clients.

Michael Bueti
www.theintegratedperson.com

Permalink Reply by Jan Krüger on February 25, 2010 at 12:53pm

Well, Duncan, I think the important point is that regression can be traumatic but doesn't have to be. Now I haven't really ever worked with regression, so please don't take what I'm saying as personal experience, let alone gospel truth... but the experience of a regression always depends on the way that it is presented. You can be associated to a memory, or dissociated from it, or partly associated, or whatever... and you can understand the experience as a reliving, or as a new leaf turned by, for example, adding something to the memory or generally giving the client the power to change the memory to utterly change its meaning and its outcome.

Simply throwing someone into vividly recalling a horrible experience and just hoping for the best isn't really a smart thing to do, of course... the power is in changing the past. And of course there are good ways and bad ways to change memories, and good ways and bad ways to approach them in the first place.

By the way, I don't think that regression is inherently better or worse than any other approach to therapy. I just think that it's one way to create something very meaningful for the client in the present moment, something that is so meaningful that it changes the client's life now. It doesn't matter to me whether regression does that or whether it's due to a rapid reframe, a reversal tactic, some intense imagination work, a new insight carefully prepared, or whatever else. One might work best for one person, another for another person. When you dismiss regression out of principle, it's your interpretation of what regression means that makes you decide whether to use it or not; to truly change someone's reality, their interpretations are much more important than yours. The way I see it, the job of a therapist is to wield the client's interpretations against his limitations. You'll probably succeed either way... eventually..., but my own goal is to be the best I can be at making a difference, and that means I'll consider all options.

PS. I don't buy into the whole "root cause" vs. "symptom" debate. I view regression as completely independent from that.

Permalink Reply by Dave Sabat on February 25, 2010 at 1:34pm

Regression to cause is used because it is the quickest and most effective way of reaching a permanent therapeutic change. Time is not a great healer, it only buries the emotional garbage that we don't want to face and if a "symptom" is changed the emotional cause can create another distraction to replace the smoking, eating, alcohol, drug, OCD etc. distraction. Have a look at Dave Elman's book "Hypnotherapy".

Regression to cause is pure hypnosis, it deals with the "why", most other forms of hypnosis/hypnotherapy are mixtures of psychotherapy and hypnosis and deal with the "what". If people knew why they did the things they do they they wouldn't need to see me.

I tell every single client of mine that I have absolutely no interest in their logical, conscious mind and explain why.

No-one ever died from having a panic attack and once you know how to recognise and create an abreaction and, most importantly, how to show the client how to overcome it and release it, a wonderful change takes place.

If I phone the gas company and tell them that I have a gas leak, I don't want to be told to open my windows and get some air fresheners, I want the gas leak fixed. NLP, CBT, Counselling & Psychotherapy are "open windows and air freshener" techniques. Regression to cause (Dave Elman style) finds the cause and fixes it.

Hope this helps,

Kind regards,

Dave Sabat.

Permalink Reply by Michael Zappellini on February 25, 2010 at 2:20pm

I agree that regression can be very useful sometimes and I agree that sometimes is not really necessary,
the reason why I intervened is that I am starting to be a little fed up with people who are talking about PHD's
psychologists, in a denigrative way like if they were a bunch of imbeciles because they studied 10 years for a degree, I agree that the degree doesn't make u a good therapist, but also 50/100/300/500/1000 hours of hypnotherapy don't make you a good therapist either.
Just my 2 upset cents

Peter Bateman & Lorraine Gleeson said:

We use the IMR to ask if the client needs to regress to resolve the problem, some don't but most do and it's not always bad stuff such as truama a lot of the time it is silly insignificant situations incorrectly held by the subconscious playing the emotions out inappropriately when a trigger is close to the ISE, therefore the there and then is being played out in the hear and now. Dealing with the cause releases a lot of emotions, stored for years, incorrect perceptions or beliefs about what happened to them are also cleared up, one person grew up believing that a parent had abused them because of what they were told, a kid caught up in the parents fight, it turned out nothing had happened it was just a walk in the woods, because of the healing work when finishing the regression and a better understanding of their past some of our clients have better relationship with their parents or siblings or they know were never abused, and where it has, they get to have their say to who ever hurt them. Dealing with here and now is great, we have done some great work, however there are times when getting to the source and dealing with it can have a positive knock on effect as several problems can be tied into the one area of their life.

Pete

Permalink Reply by Brett Cameron on February 25, 2010 at 2:56pm

JJ (Ian) I just want to confirm to the hypnothoughts audience that you will stand by your statement. Your final sentence stated 'this is my last word' Promise? Can we take you on your word that you will stop deriding well meaning people from your pious pulpit? Can we be assured that the snide pompous judgements will be no more? I really look forward to my daily dose of Hypnothoughts, learning and sharing with like minded peers. And then as a bolt from the blue (ie you) a reply similar in delivery as a cat among the pidgeons is posted. And from whom? no face, no website, a hidden profile, and definitely not a hypnotherapist. Perhaps you can take your brilliance and start a forum among YOUR peers. BTW. as per this posting I agree with Doc's regression technique. Very useful.

Ian Jay said:

Duncan

Take any answer from any lay 'hypnotherapist' without a degree in Psych, hypnotherapy, or CBT with a large pinch of salt, if you are looking for evidence. Most of the therapists here have no formal or accredited qualification in hypnotherapy, Psych or CBT. And you can ignore a few of the Dr, Doc, Doctor, PhD appendages.

PM if you need clarification.

Although I expect some to try to defend the un-defendable, and excuse the un-exusable, this is my last word.

IJ

Permalink Reply by John Cleesattel on February 25, 2010 at 4:16pm

Dude,
Other than Gerald Kein and his students pushing regression to cause for almost everything, the issues you listed are not ones that I would generally associate with a regression intervention. With the exception of maybe PTSD in which case it would be used for desensitization.

Regression has value when the learning from an ISE or Initial Sensitizing Event, caused an unwanted reaction. Going back and changing or eliminating that reaction will cause the unwanted reaction to cease to be. In the problem solving world that is known as root cause corrective action.

Of the issues you listed; anxiety disorder is usually an over accumulation of stress related events over time, and IBS can have a multitude of different causes.

Suffice to say that we are the sum of the automatic reactions we learn during our life. They are the programs that make us feel the way we do. If a program has an irrational response, you can go back via regression to the initial learning and change that programming for the better, which immediately will change the reaction, usually nullifying it.

I hope this answers your question
John

Permalink Reply by Michael Miller on February 25, 2010 at 4:42pm

I'm an HMI graduate and they refuse to teach age regression because memories can be created by a led subject.

While I don't practice the technique with clients, I think it has merit. It is a standard hypnotherapy procedure. Because of this, I wonder if undermining hypnosis in general might be the motivation of the querent.

John, I like your answer. Very concise. I don't think the answer requires more than that.

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