Would you like to ask a Question about the 5-Path System for Doing Hypnosis?

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Permalink Reply by Anthony Lucas on October 26, 2011 at 3:58am

Please tell me about forgiveness of others / self and parts mediation - and age regression - using them all in session?

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Permalink Reply by terri b on October 26, 2011 at 3:58am

 

if you dont want a question this basic, i totally understand!   but my initial thing is:  what makes it different?   if someone has hypnosis skills, what would be features or benefits to learning 5path?

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Permalink Reply by Celeste Hackett, CH on October 26, 2011 at 4:05am

Hi and Good morning!

 I'll answer these questions, so be patient.  I have a client this morning and I need to jump in the shower just now.  Terri, there is no question that is too basic.  I just appreciate you responding to my post.  It is a priviledge to help you.  I'll be back with answers a wee bit later!

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Permalink Reply by Marc Carlin on October 26, 2011 at 5:02am

Hi Anthony,

If you don't mind me jumping in here to give you some info.  I am a trained 5 pather and I think I can add to this discussion. 

5 Path is a progression of those major techniques that you mentioned.  They are done in a logical sequence and they are not meant to all be done in one session.  Each part of the program has an intended outcome in mind.  So we are seeking the client to respond in a specific way to provide the feedback to us that they have addressed the specific aspect of their problem behavior sufficiently so that we can move onto the next phase of the program.

So the beginning phase is to teach the client about hypnosis and provide them with a hypnotic experience and prove to the client and the hypnotist that they have achieved the required state of hypnosis to continue on to the more advanced techniques.

Age regression is the cornerstone of the 5 Path program and it establishes the history of what caused the problem.  The main goal of 5 Path is to use the inner mind to identify the reason the client is behaving in the unwanted way by returning to the event when the client had the necessity to establish the unwanted behavior or to begin to hold onto the feeling associated with that event.  The behavior might begin long after the initial feeling was established.

The goal is to give the client better skills to deal with the event and release the need to hold onto the feelings.

The forgiveness sessions, both others and self, are designed for cleaning up the ancillary feelings that arise as a result of the initial feeling and resulting misperceptions.

Parts is used for secondary gain issues when necessary.

The time between sessions is an important part of this program, as that's when the client works out issues and reports back in the followup session and provides more insight into what needs to be worked on.

I'm sure that Celeste, who is a trainer in this method, and very accomplished in using these techniques will be able to expand on my brief overview.  While I am not a trainer in this method, I have spent quite a number of years guiding many clients through all phases,  I do not have the perspective of a trainer of this program, as Celeste will have.  Plus Celeste has worked closely with Cal Banyan, the developer of 5 Path, so I look forward to her explanation as well.

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Permalink Reply by Marc Carlin on October 26, 2011 at 5:10am

Hi Terri,

I can give you the reason why I decided to learn 5 Path.  I had been trained initially by a couple of local hypnotists in the New York area.  In my initial training I learned how to do everything that 5 Path taught, so I didn't immediately think that I would benefit from this training.  But as I investigated more about it, I found that there were many benefits to the system that my initial training didn't provide.  To me, the best part of the training was learning how to break the sessions up into manageable segments.  Knowing how to end a session appropriately is important when using these advanced techniques.  My initial trainers used to do 3-5 hour sessions, which I felt was inappropriate both for me and for my client.  Another benefit for me was knowing what I was seeking from my client as a specific goal of each phase.  Prior to my 5 Path training, I was just guiding clients through technique and not really knowing when we were done or had accomplished what we needed to accomplish.

I think that my experience in learning 5 Path was very worthwhile.

terri b said:

 

if you dont want a question this basic, i totally understand!   but my initial thing is:  what makes it different?   if someone has hypnosis skills, what would be features or benefits to learning 5path?

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Permalink Reply by Steve Andrade on October 26, 2011 at 8:05am

Hi Celeste,

...and thanks Marc for your contribution to this post.

Celeste,

I also know nothing about the 5 path, up until reading what Marc wrote. So any description of the process is welcomed by me, but even before that, Marc mentions that age regression is the corner stone....

There has been much heated debating, (some egoic bashing going on, just my opinion), about regression or not to regress.

Does this 5 path process incorporate special or specific safety measures or procedures that limits re-living a horrific event, or is it the same as all age regression where a safe place is established before starting?

And thanks for the great posts lately, hypnotherapist disease, and why doesn't someone find a way that hypnosis can be like a recipe for healing, altering the physical structure of the body, even a research center that specializes in these types of research using hypnosis until the documentation can say, "for this disorder, use this technical hypnosis detailed 10 step technique plan xyz, each step dependent on the success of the previous." or something, but i agree, hypnosis is a very powerful tool that is not being utilized to it's full potential, thanks for bringing it up. And if you did contradict yourself, I wasn't looking for that, so I didn't notice it. Just as beneficial as knowing which battles one should engage in, it is also beneficial to see the importance of what something is, or the importance of a message being presented. I think in your case, the importance stood out louder and more clear for me.

Steve

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Permalink Reply by Celeste Hackett, CH on October 26, 2011 at 8:06am

Terri, 

Marc did such a good job explaining his point of view in answer to your question that I don't have a whole lot to add.  Thanks Marc!  (BTW one of the thing that I love about 5pathers is the way we all help each other out.) 

Like Marc when I got my 5path training, I already had other awesome training too.  But I had trouble using all my techniques in such a way that I got consistent great results in consistently the shortest amount of time possible.  Almost every time my clients have resolved on their problem in 4-6 sessions. 

5-PATH also allows hypnotists to work with a wide variety of problems. Many of the issues most hypnotists turn away, we take and work with.and get excellent results with them.

In hypnosis there are several methods to overccoming problems. 5-PATH takes 5 of the very best and puts them in a phase of the work.  The 5 stands for the 5 phases.  They are Direct Suggestion (where we also include thorough preparation and testing that set up the first session in such away that the client becomes very hopeful and returns), Age Regression, Forgivenss techniques and Parts work.  The method organizes them in such a way that each phase of the work makes the next phase even more powerful. 

Any other technique can be woven in as appropriate.  So if you like metaphor, or nlp, or EFT or anything else you can use it in the structure.

5PATH is criteria based, so when your client meets a certain criteria you know  you can move to the next phase.  Having certain goals helps the hypnotist know they are on the right track and that give s the hypnotist confidenc.

Emotions - 5-PATHERS learn to really understand the relationship between emotions and clients problems and how to overcome them.  Becoming a good 5pather means you become master a lot of things and become emotionally intelligent yourself and your wisdom will show not only in your work environment but interactions with others in general. 

We also have a message board where you receive free on-going mentoring from people who have gone before you.  The spirit of sharing and camaraderie is the best I have ever seen anywhere.  The egos are really kept in check.  It's about you becoming a great hypnotist, helping people and making a great living.

To be good at 5PATH you'll be guided on how to be excellent at instant inductions, convincers, age regression,  and other techniques that take guts to do.  You'll be supported when you mess up and applauded when you keep going.  It's a very inspiring group. 

Also we place a big emphasis on ethics, inclusiveness and friendliness.

That's all that comes to mind right now!

Celeste

 

 

 

 

terri b said:

 

if you dont want a question this basic, i totally understand!   but my initial thing is:  what makes it different?   if someone has hypnosis skills, what would be features or benefits to learning 5path?

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Permalink Reply by Celeste Hackett, CH on October 26, 2011 at 8:48am

Sorry for the typos, I took the dogs for a walk and my 15 minute edit time was up LOL! 

Celeste Hackett, CH said:

Terri, 

Marc did such a good job explaining his point of view in answer to your question that I don't have a whole lot to add.  Thanks Marc!  (BTW one of the thing that I love about 5pathers is the way we all help each other out.) 

Like Marc when I got my 5path training, I already had other awesome training too.  But I had trouble using all my techniques in such a way that I got consistent great results in consistently the shortest amount of time possible.  Almost every time my clients have resolved on their problem in 4-6 sessions. 

5-PATH also allows hypnotists to work with a wide variety of problems. Many of the issues most hypnotists turn away, we take and work with.and get excellent results with them.

In hypnosis there are several methods to overccoming problems. 5-PATH takes 5 of the very best and puts them in a phase of the work.  The 5 stands for the 5 phases.  They are Direct Suggestion (where we also include thorough preparation and testing that set up the first session in such away that the client becomes very hopeful and returns), Age Regression, Forgivenss techniques and Parts work.  The method organizes them in such a way that each phase of the work makes the next phase even more powerful. 

Any other technique can be woven in as appropriate.  So if you like metaphor, or nlp, or EFT or anything else you can use it in the structure.

5PATH is criteria based, so when your client meets a certain criteria you know  you can move to the next phase.  Having certain goals helps the hypnotist know they are on the right track and that give s the hypnotist confidenc.

Emotions - 5-PATHERS learn to really understand the relationship between emotions and clients problems and how to overcome them.  Becoming a good 5pather means you become master a lot of things and become emotionally intelligent yourself and your wisdom will show not only in your work environment but interactions with others in general. 

We also have a message board where you receive free on-going mentoring from people who have gone before you.  The spirit of sharing and camaraderie is the best I have ever seen anywhere.  The egos are really kept in check.  It's about you becoming a great hypnotist, helping people and making a great living.

To be good at 5PATH you'll be guided on how to be excellent at instant inductions, convincers, age regression,  and other techniques that take guts to do.  You'll be supported when you mess up and applauded when you keep going.  It's a very inspiring group. 

Also we place a big emphasis on ethics, inclusiveness and friendliness.

That's all that comes to mind right now!

Celeste

 

 

 

 

terri b said:

 

if you dont want a question this basic, i totally understand!   but my initial thing is:  what makes it different?   if someone has hypnosis skills, what would be features or benefits to learning 5path?

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Permalink Reply by Celeste Hackett, CH on October 26, 2011 at 8:58am

Hello,

Again Marc did a great job at helping out here.  Your question is a little broad.  Can you narrow it down a bit or ask several questions that come to mind?  This way I'll be sure not to miss anything!

Thanks!

Celeste

Anthony Lucas said:

Please tell me about forgiveness of others / self and parts mediation - and age regression - using them all in session?

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Permalink Reply by Celeste Hackett, CH on October 26, 2011 at 9:00am

Anthony,

I am going to respond to Steve Andrade's post and it may answer your questions.  If not let me knkow.

Celeste

Anthony Lucas said:

Please tell me about forgiveness of others / self and parts mediation - and age regression - using them all in session?

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Permalink Reply by Celeste Hackett, CH on October 26, 2011 at 9:53am

Steve,

I am going to answer your questions in a couple of separate posts to keep it simple.  I hope it's okay.

Your said: 

Celeste,

I also know nothing about the 5 path, up until reading what Marc wrote. So any description of the process is welcomed by me...

So here is the first part of my answer then:

5-PATH® was developed as a result of thousands of hours of work with hypnosis and hypnotherapy clients and the integration of techniques taught by some of the master teachers in the profession of hypnotism, including but not limited to Harry Arons, Charles Tebbetts, Gerald F. Kein, Gil Boyne and others. In addition, the field of psychology and some of its greats influenced the development of the 5-PATH® process, including Franz Anton Mesmer's Animal Magnetism, Dr. Ivan Petrovich Pavlov's Classical Conditioning, Dr. Fritz Perls' Gestalt Therapy, Aaron Beck's Cognitive Therapy and others. This systematic process has been used by the many hypnosis professionals who have worked at the Banyan Hypnosis Center, as well as other 5-PATH® certified professionals around the world. 5-PATH® continues to evolve as a system with the continued experience and input of these hypnosis professionals around the world.

5 PATH stands for 5 phase advanced transformational hypnosis.  It is a system for doing hypnosis sessions that utilizes advanced hypnotic techniques that are proven.  These techniques are organized in such a way that each technique makes the next one more effective. 

The major techniques applied are masterful use of inductions and convincers in the first phase which is call Preparation Testing and Convincing (PTC), Age Regression (AR), Forgivness of Others (FOO), Forgiveness of Self (FOS) and uses parts therapy work in our Parts Mediation Technique or 5th Phase (PMT), which is rarely ever needed.

 

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Permalink Reply by Celeste Hackett, CH on October 26, 2011 at 10:02am

And Part 2.....and this can be found on Cal's site.

Steve Andrade said:

Celeste,

I also know nothing about the 5 path, up until reading what Marc wrote. So any description of the process is welcomed by me...

The therapist will take the client through the following phases, each improving the success of the the subsequent phase (called a phase because more than one session may be necessary for procedure):

1.Direct Suggestion with Convincers

2.Age Regression and Informed Child Technique

3.Forgiveness of Others Therapy

4.Forgiveness of Self Therapy

5.Parts Mediation Therapy

How this is done is briefly outlined and explained below.

Before the Hypnosis Session
The therapist needs to be aware of the principles of waking suggestion, and how the client's degree of success is in part determined by events that occur before the "hypnosis session" begins. The client's success is greatly increased if you are mindful of how the client is handled prior to the session. All of the following have an effect on the work you will be doing with the client.

1.Everything she has ever heard about hypnosis and you.

2.Your appearance and your office's appearance.

3.Any statements that you make about hypnosis or expected outcome.

Because of this you will need to make statements suggesting an expectation of a positive outcome. You and your office must be consistent with the message you intend to send (i.e., professional). You must do a good pre-hypnosis presentation, including a pre-talk and intake.

Then begins the five phases.

Phase I - Preparation, Testing and Convincing
The focus of this phase of hypnosis is to have the client have a successful session. To accomplish this, the 5-PATH system consists of the following in Phase I:

1.Proper induction -- usually an instant or rapid induction.

2.Use of a hidden test for somnambulism.

3.Deepening.

4.Use of convincers--so that the client knows that she was hypnotized (i.e., eye lock).

5.Installation of suggestions for future success when doing hypnosis (i.e., post-hypnotic suggestion for rapid re-induction of hypnosis in future sessions).

6.Use of Direct Suggestion techniques, including giving some suggestions that were checked out with the client a head of time, in the pre-hypnosis interview (this puts the client at ease), giving suggestions appropriate to the issue, including the use of Compounding and Direct Drive techniques.

7.Making additional suggestions during the emerging process for post hypnotic suggestion (more convincers), such as time distortion and sensitivity to a color such as red.

Running a first session this way is done for the following reasons:

1.Using all of the above will improve the probability of a successful Direct Suggestion session.

2.Instill confidence in the client that she can use hypnosis for the issue she wants to work on.

3.Instill confidence in the client that she has selected a good hypnotherapist.

4.And, even more importantly perhaps, you have turned this person into an ideal client that will be great to work with in the future. This client, having gone through this procedure, will almost certainly experience a true Age Regression session (Phase II) with revivification.

Phase I, is done this way because it greatly increases the probability of success in Phase II, an Age Regression Session.

Phase II - Age Regression
Every problem that our clients come to see us about, have an origin, a beginning. The use of Age Regression Therapy is probably the most powerful tool available to a properly trained hypnotherapist. It is an essential part of 5-PATH. In addition to uncovering information from the past that might have become unavailable to the conscious mind, regression allows the therapist to "undo" the effects of the incident or incidents that have formed the problem. It is so important, that much of what was done in Phase I, was done so that we can have a successful Age Regression Session nearly every time.

It would go like this:

1.Use post-hypnotic suggestion for rapid re-induction of hypnosis to somnambulism.

2.Deepen.

3.Use Affect Bridge (usually).

4.Find ISE (initial sensitizing event).

5.Use Informed Child Technique.

6.Use Informed Adult Technique.

7.Progress into the future to experience success for the issue.

8.Use direct suggestion after change has been made.

9.Emerge, using suggestions for success.

The 5-PATH® practitioner is encouraged to focus on the use of suggestion here. Remember that after you have accomplished Age Regression and Informed Child, the subconscious mind has been forced into a state of reorganization. Prior to this, the subconscious mind may have been resistant to suggestion, but now it is in a state of heightened suggestibility beyond what can be accomplished where Direct Suggestion techniques alone could accomplish.

Age Regression has now, increased our probability of success, even further because it has probably uncovered new information and provided additional insight, that both the client and therapist can use, as we continue into Phase III.

Phase III - Forgiveness of Others
The Age Regression session (Phase III) has provided us with great opportunities. The impact of the clients ISEs and SSE have been removed or reduced. You and the client have a much better understanding of the history of the problem/issue. And, most importantly to this phase, we know who the players are. We know about the people in our client's life that have been a part of the problem. In addition to gaining insight, and perhaps having been desensitized, the problem can be further healed by using forgiveness techniques. This provides for a reduction in emotion regarding the problem and a more complete releasing of the past, including the problem/issue.

It would go like this:

1.Do induction and deepening.

2.Set up for "Chair Therapy" where the client can confront or communicate with the person who was the contributor to the problem, i.e., abuser, parent, rapist, etc.

3.The situation is made so that the client will be completely safe in expressing her feelings (i.e., the offender cannot get out of a chair, etc.).

4.The client is encouraged to express how she feels or felt about what happened. The client is greatly encouraged to really let it all out.

5.Once the client is exhausted, the therapist has the client take the place of the offender, and will speak from that perspective.

6.Therapist then goes after the offender, similar to how the client did, but perhaps even stronger.

7.This will often cause new insight in the client with regard to the situation to occur which will be useful in accomplishing the forgiveness.

8.Dialog is encouraged between the client and the offender (the client will speak from both perspectives)

9.The client is then guided into forgiving the offender. It is explained to the client that this is for her own benefit and not for the benefit of the offender.

10.Then additional Direct Suggestion techniques are used, regarding the problem/issue.

This process of forgiveness may be repeated for additional players who contributed to the problem. And, the client may be encouraged to continue to forgive less significant persons on her own for a period during the session.

Notice the use of suggestion at the end of the process. Again, I want to remind the therapist that powerful techniques such as this force the subconscious mind into reorganization, and the client become exceptionally suggestible for suggestions that are consistent with the experience. Don't overlook this opportunity!

This phase again set us up for increased success in the following phase.

Phase IV - Self-Forgiveness
Most of my clients report that this phase of forgiving herself was the most important. I often wish that I could just go here first. But I believe that this phase is so successful because of the work done in the preceding phases.

It is essentially the same as Phase III, except this time the client take on two roles. The first role will be that of the "Self" and the other is the "Mistake-Making-Part." The Mistake-Making-Part, takes on the part of the offender in Phase III. This approach allows the client to see herself in a more detached and objective way.

It goes like this:

1.Do induction and deepening.

2.Set up for "Chair Therapy" where the client can confront or communicate with the Mistake-Making-Part, who will be blamed for every mistake she has ever made in her life.

3.The situation is set up so that the client will be completely safe in expressing her feelings toward the Mistake-Making-Part.

4.The client is encouraged to express how she feels or felt about the mistakes made in her life. The client is greatly encourage to really let it all out.

5.Once the client is exhausted, the therapist has the client take the place of the Mistake-Making-Part, and will speak from that perspective. Before that she was speaking from the perspective of the Self.

6.Therapist then goes after the Mistake-Making-Part, similar to how the client did, but perhaps even stronger.

7.This will often cause new insight in the client with regard to the situation to occur which will be useful in accomplishing the forgiveness of herself.

8.Dialog is encouraged between the client and the Mistake-Making-Part (the client will speak from both perspectives again)

9.The client is then guided into forgiving the Mistake-Making-Part. Because of the new insight, about the situation, the Mistake-Making-Part, can be reframed as the Protective Part, also making her more forgivable.

10.Then additional Direct Suggestion techniques are used, regarding the problem/issue.

This is usually a tremendous experience for the client. By this time in the therapy, the problem has been completely resolved/healed. The work is usually done at this point and no further work is required. However, sometimes more work may be needed, because of a special circumstance. This will be addressed in Phase V.

Phase V - Parts Mediation Therapy
The vast majority of clients do not need this Phase of the work. It is here for a special case. This is the sticky case of the client that will not heal or completely respond to therapy. This is usually because of Secondary Gain Issues. It must be kept in mind by the enlightened therapist that even some of the most painful problems can have benefits! Phase V, is specifically designed to get at this kind of problem.

It is patterned after two procedures, Parts Therapy and Mediation. Together they become Parts Mediation Therapy. It differs from Parts Therapy because it does not focus on descriptive characteristic of the individual such as the Joy Part, or Creative Part, etc. In that kind of therapy, we are bringing up characteristics or abilities that have been suppressed, lie dormant, or are otherwise out of balance.

In Parts Mediation Therapy, we utilize the concepts of mediation, where we work toward building agreements between the parts of the self which are in conflict. We uncover issues and focus on a win-win situation. These new agreements include doing more beneficial or healthy behaviors in the future.

The process would go like this:

1.Induce hypnosis and deepen.

2.Suggest that you are the mediator and not the judge (mediators are only facilitators).

3.Bring up the subject of the conflict (the problem/issue that has not been completely resolved).

4.Suggest that more communication may be in order.

5.Suggest that there is a part of her that is aware of a benefit of continuing to have the problem.

6.Find out why the problem is useful.

7.Name the part, such as The-Still-Wanting-To-Smoke Part.

8.Have the Self discuss the benefits of making the change.

9.Uncover and discuss alternative behaviors that will provide the same benefits as the problem behavior.

10.Discuss other the benefits of changing to the new behavior.

11.Have both sides come to a win-win agreement where both sides have their needs met.

12.Do any forgiveness work that needs to be done between the two sides.

13.Merge the two side back together as one.

14.Do Direct Suggestion techniques for change.

As usual, the process ends with appropriate suggestions for change. Here we have uncovered the cause of the inability of the client to come to full resolution of the problem. And, we have provided an alternative, but need fulfilling alternative behavior. This is set up as an agreement between the parts. If there is any reluctance between the parts in this intra-psychic mediation, then a trial period can be agreed upon, where a next session can be set up to evaluate the success of the agreement and make any further changes that may be need to encourage ongoing success.

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