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Creating Amnesia
Using a sneeze or saying ‘excuse me a minute would break someone’s flow and induce amnesia (a pattern interrupt). If you follow this up with either continuing to imply forgetting, or you could talk about subjects that lay down the pattern for forgetfulness. Like having a name on the tip of your tongue etc... Another way is while they are in this state of having forgotten go back to an earlier conversation, this sandwiches the now forgotten bit.
So for example; if you were talking about the weather, then talking about something you later want the person to forget, you can interrupt them then once interrupted go back to talking about the weather so that it is as if none of the rest of the conversation happened.
There is a brief example of inducing amnesia at the beginning of this video
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cOkqIEiYYtM
Recently an idea came to me to induce amnesia. It appeared to be effective. I gave an example of how a child can be eating all of their sweets, engrossed in that and then they reach the end of the pack of sweets and they look up to the parent and hold out the bag and say 'It's.....' (I never finished the sentence).
I expected the unconscious to know all likely endings to that sentence in that situation. What I wanted was to narrow down to just one likely meaning (It's all gone). I planned on doing this by saying something else with the same messages so that the unconscious can pick up on what is similar about both messages.
Next I said 'You know that the roman numeral for 4 is iv, and you know how you can see something and read it in different ways and with different meanings, and you know what it would look like to see the Roman Numeral for 4 in front of you with the number 4 next to it, with the number 10 at the end and the word 'got' just before that...' (iv 4 got 10)
The unconscious did appear to pick up on these together from the response I got...
Other ways are using distraction, or changing subject. In childcare I used to do this a lot, a young person would be beating someone up and I would say I thought I heard someone at the door. They would immediately stop and go and check, by the time they got there I would be already talking with them about something else to keep them active and get their train of thought as far from where it was as possible.
I used to practice doing distraction indirectly, like looking at something, or at them (like their nose) until they want to know what I am looking at. Especially with looking over somewhere people often lose their train of thought and look, before they realise why they are looking. Or you can sneeze or something that will equally stop them, or just say 'excuse me a minute' any interruption often works brilliantly especially when you follow it up with implication that they have forgotten.
In hypnosis I like to guide people into experiences (like along a beach for example) then have them settle down and drift off into a daydream (about walking in the woods for example) then find somewhere else to rest (like sitting under a tree) and drift off again (like looking up at clouds and wondering what it would be like to be on another world looking up at clouds on that world) then I do the work with them and sandwich it by reversing the process so that what is in the middle becomes the most difficult to remember.
I think one of the best ways to create amnesia is not to ask about the experience (like not asking about a dream someone has just had when they wake up). If they don't get asked and then go home and maybe later on that day or the next day they get asked they often don't seem to remember (or not much if they do), almost like if you waited a day to ask someone about a dream they had, they probably wouldn't recall much of it.
So for example; if you were talking about the weather, then talking about something you later want the person to forget, you can interrupt them then once interrupted go back to talking about the weather so that it is as if none of the rest of the conversation happened.
There is a brief example of inducing amnesia at the beginning of this video
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cOkqIEiYYtM
Recently an idea came to me to induce amnesia. It appeared to be effective. I gave an example of how a child can be eating all of their sweets, engrossed in that and then they reach the end of the pack of sweets and they look up to the parent and hold out the bag and say 'It's.....' (I never finished the sentence).
I expected the unconscious to know all likely endings to that sentence in that situation. What I wanted was to narrow down to just one likely meaning (It's all gone). I planned on doing this by saying something else with the same messages so that the unconscious can pick up on what is similar about both messages.
Next I said 'You know that the roman numeral for 4 is iv, and you know how you can see something and read it in different ways and with different meanings, and you know what it would look like to see the Roman Numeral for 4 in front of you with the number 4 next to it, with the number 10 at the end and the word 'got' just before that...' (iv 4 got 10)
The unconscious did appear to pick up on these together from the response I got...
Other ways are using distraction, or changing subject. In childcare I used to do this a lot, a young person would be beating someone up and I would say I thought I heard someone at the door. They would immediately stop and go and check, by the time they got there I would be already talking with them about something else to keep them active and get their train of thought as far from where it was as possible.
I used to practice doing distraction indirectly, like looking at something, or at them (like their nose) until they want to know what I am looking at. Especially with looking over somewhere people often lose their train of thought and look, before they realise why they are looking. Or you can sneeze or something that will equally stop them, or just say 'excuse me a minute' any interruption often works brilliantly especially when you follow it up with implication that they have forgotten.
In hypnosis I like to guide people into experiences (like along a beach for example) then have them settle down and drift off into a daydream (about walking in the woods for example) then find somewhere else to rest (like sitting under a tree) and drift off again (like looking up at clouds and wondering what it would be like to be on another world looking up at clouds on that world) then I do the work with them and sandwich it by reversing the process so that what is in the middle becomes the most difficult to remember.
I think one of the best ways to create amnesia is not to ask about the experience (like not asking about a dream someone has just had when they wake up). If they don't get asked and then go home and maybe later on that day or the next day they get asked they often don't seem to remember (or not much if they do), almost like if you waited a day to ask someone about a dream they had, they probably wouldn't recall much of it.
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Permalink Reply by Lea Otto on -
heheh, I was reading this discussion and am typing this only having read up to the point "writing this post after reading up until The unconscious did appear to pick up on these together from the response I got..." I could sense some amnesia happening in my head as I read I'm afraid that if I continue I may forgotten completely the ideas I currently am typing out to you in an email I'm working on so for this discussion I'll post two different things. This one is before reading past that previously mentioned point...
An idea this have given me about inducing trance, amnesia or anything is something you've mentioned before and that I've also read about in other places as well. This idea stems from a good technique to use is where you describe something that happened to you or someone you know from a previous incident. The idea I just got is while reading this post I'm aware that you could and seem to be using some phrases that could cause amnesia in the reader and if I use this experience as an example off linking this to "not wanting to continue" for the reason I mentioned above and creating it as a parallel to "not wanting to continue with a thought" in the person I want to affect. Might be an interesting way of using it. I'd love to hear about other ways this can be manipulated and if anyone has any additional ideas and. After I finish writing that email I'll come back and read the entire post and comment on the rest of it then. -
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Permalink Reply by Blankfrost on -
i have read some examples of a way to create amnesia. something like breaking a pattern and doing or saying a few things and then going back to where you left off with the broken pattern this aparently will create amnesia for what happened inbetween the pattern break and the pattern fix. but im not to sure about this is this true?
i heard erickson done something like this with a subject. he down a handshake interrupt and then done a number of simple phenomenon with the subject and then ended it with finishing and handshake were it left off this aparently created amnesia in the subject for what he had done in between. it was as if he just done a straight handshake.
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Permalink Reply by dan jones on -
Yes that is what I mention above. It's a technique called sandwiching. I do it in almost all of my stuff. I will be sandwiching throughout an interaction as well as at the beginning and end.
I will talk about something at the beginning of sessions just so that I can talk about it at the end (sandwiching the experience in the middle) I will do this continually throughout all my talking with people in every day life as well. If you watch Richard Bandler you'll notice he starts a story then goes off on a tangent then later finishes the story (and does this with many stories at once sometimes) so that different things get sandwiched. And obviously handshakes are also good for this. -
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Permalink Reply by Blankfrost on
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how does sandwiching work exactly and wouldn't some people forget the things that bandler sandwiched why would he want this?
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Permalink Reply by dan jones on
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sandwiching closes patterns with other patterns/suggestions etc closed inside them. For example Erickson would often use a handshake, then at the end of the session he would finish the handshake so that the person would have less memory of the work done and more memory of a complete handshake.
The idea is to make people forget somethings on different levels, and to be placing patterns in deeper in the mind, so if you tell three stories, the patterns in the third story will be harder to recall consciously than in the first story.
Bandler would want the ideas and suggestions to go into the unconscious mind without too much conscious analysis. If you watch Bandler you realise that you remember different amounts of different things depending on what he was doing. -
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Permalink Reply by Blankfrost on
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i thought it might be interesting to mention the opposite of amnesia. but im not sure what its called were you get the subject to go back into their memory and remember things that they have forgotten and are trying to remember or things that they didn't even relize they remembed. i find it pretty strange because as far as i know their is short term memory and long term memory and short term memory is aparently forgotten after some time like walking past and seeing a sign thinking about it abit then after a while you just forget and won't remember again according to short term memory.but i have heard cases in hypnosis were people remember car pletes that they have glanced of someones car or a sign after just glancing at it a while ago and thinking nothing of it then being able to rmember the exact word or numbers,pictures etc..
but th imformation was not in long tern memory and aparenmtly not in memory at all?? does that mean that everything we see hear etc.. is stored and can be reviwed?
does anyone know more about this topic and how and why it works? -
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Permalink Reply by dan jones on
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The opposite of Amnesia is Hypernesia.
Most stuff we experience are not picked up consciously and have only weak neural connections in the mind with no easy access for the conscious mind to recall it.
All of these memories are just as pliable as any other memory so can be inaccurate. Research shows that whenever memories are recalled they are altered depending on how it was recalled (like the questioning used) and what emotions were present when it is recalled. -
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