Ideo Dynamic (Psycho Cellular) Healing

You get a range of different classes of Ideo-dynamic responses

• Ideo-sensory: A sensation that can be noticed by the client
• Ideo-cognitions: Thoughts or images coming to the clients mind
• Ideo-affective: The client experiencing feelings
• Ideo-motor: The client experiencing an automatic movement

If I want to notice a response in a client but also want to give the client wider choice I'll ask for clear signals I can notice and then pay attention. Or if I want to offer even greater freedom I will ask the client to tell me when the unconscious give a signal for yes and to tell me what it is, and the same with no.

This way the client is a bit more involved and so it isn't appropriate for all situations but some clients will happily say it’s a feeling in their stomach, or a shiver, or a warmth in a hand or foot (ideo-sensory) or a voice in their mind or a word or an image in their mind etc (ideo-cognitions), or a feeling of comfort, anger, sadness, happiness etc (ideo-affective), or a movement in the toe, finger, twitch in the face, twitch in the leg etc (ideo-motor)

When using parts for therapeutic interventions often feelings can be used, where you can ask for different parts to be there and establish with the client what those parts are and how they are expressing themselves (I'm a strong believer in allowing self expression) and have people notice the sensations as the parts integrate into the new learning/understanding/resolution etc...And they can tell you when this is done.

Ideo-motor movement could be done in a similar way with (for example) a hand representing the problem, and a hand representing the clients resources and have them move (self expression again) until resolution is found and the problem and resources have integrated into something new.

The above is using these responses in an open way rather than yes/no.

When I have asked people to notice a signal that means yes and a signal that means no and to let me know what they are it works in the same way as finger signals except if it is something you can't see you wait for the client to get the answer from their unconscious then they give you the answer verbally.

Often when you are being observant they don't need to give you the answer verbally as you will notice the ideo-motor movement of the head nodding or shaking as the thought begins to seep through just before they answer.

So in effect you will still be reading ideo-motor signals but you have set up (in a way that suits the client) a yes/no signal set that the signal will come from. If for example it was warmth in the left hand for yes and right hand for no when the answer comes through you will notice a hand getting slightly more red, then you notice a fraction of a second later a slight movement of the head yes or no, then movements associated with being about to speak, then they tell you.

Hopefully all of this will be congruent, but if it isn't the chances are the bit that isn't would be the conscious verbal answer.

Over the years I've not really noticed any one type of response to be better than any other except that sometimes people do things too consciously and seem too consciously involved and if you are time limited it is easier to have a yes signal without saying what it is to be and watch for it and the same with the no, so that they don't just lift the finger consciously because you were setting up finger signals and they knew that and so thought that would be what you would want.

I like minimal input in words, just getting agreement from the unconscious and observing signals as the unconscious does the work (videos of Ernest Rossi doing this are very good and informative), then a signal to say the work is either finished or is now at a point it can continue all by itself.

There are many techniques and schools of therapy that use these other responses, like various 'parts' techniques and therapies where the client may be ask to call up a part and wait for the response and the say what that response is/where that part is - like a feeling in the stomach, or tingling in an arm etc...

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Permalink Reply by dan jones on March 18, 2009 at 11:12pm

Here attached is a full video of working with someone with using their ideo-dynamic responses, in this case the responses were ideo-motor with their unconscious mind revealling what it was going to do at the beginning then doing that throughout the session.

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Permalink Reply by dan jones on March 22, 2009 at 10:36pm

Dan Jones 8-Step Self Healing Technique

1. Write down the problem, Write down where you would be on a scale of 0-10 when thinking about that problem (How much of a problem is it? How much emotion does it draw out just by thinking about it?)

2. Write down in sensory specific language what you want (What will you see, hear, and feel in future situations where the problem would have happened.

3. Write down some examples of times when: you didn’t have the problem but thought you would, you had the problem when you thought you wouldn’t, you successfully dealt with the problem (even if it was only for a short while; for example; managing to stop smoking briefly, or managing to lose some weight, etc)

4. Using a pendulum, hold it lightly between your thumb and forefinger with your elbow comfortably resting on something so that there is as little movement as possible. Focus on the pendulum and establish a movement for ‘yes/start’, ‘no/finish’, and ‘working’ (For example; swinging left-right for yes, back and forth for no and spinning round for working)

5. Ask your unconscious mind ‘Are you willing to work with me to resolve this problem now?’ If the answer is no then ask the unconscious if it is willing to work on the problem that is stopping it being willing to work on this problem. If it still says no then ask the same again (now relating to that problem not the initial problem). Keep asking until you get a ‘yes’ and work on this before moving on to the next problem and eventually onto the problem you initially wanted to work on.

6. Keep watching the pendulum and ask the unconscious to signal ‘yes/start’ when it starts doing the work, then move onto signalling ‘working’ or stopping the movement while it is working, and to signal ‘no/finish’ when the problem is fully resolved. Keep watching the pendulum while the unconscious is working. It can sometimes be quick, other times it may take a while to deal with the issue fully.

7. Once the unconscious has signalled ‘finished’ rate how it feels to think about that problem again now on the scale 0-10

8. Now close your eyes a moment and imagine drifting into future situations now the problem is resolved and experiencing what will be different, what will others see, hear that lets them know things are different? What does it feel like to have these changes? Experience a number of different future situations at various future points (For example; a day in the future, a week in the future, a month in the future, etc…)

Permalink Reply by dan jones on March 22, 2009 at 10:47pm

Dan Jones 12-Step Mind Body Therapy Technique

I don't use this process in this structured form nowadays but used to find it effective when I did. The important thing is to have a signal that you and the client know means yes/start, one that means no/finish and either stillness or another signal for 'working'. Often it will be like a hand lowering for yes/start, hand raising for no/finish and the hand staying stationery for working. Commonly the hand would lower to the lap for start and stay rested on the lap until the work is done, then it would rise...

1. Establish the problem, what it is, how the client views the problem, when, where, with whom the problem happens (All the usual information gathering stuff about the problem itself)

2. Do scaling (0-10) of how the problem feels to them thinking about it now (if they don’t say very high, get them to close their eyes and imagine going through the problem…you want some raw materials to work with)

3. Establish the desired outcome, what do they want, how will they know when they have got it, you want them to give you a sensory description of what it will be like without the problem, not – ‘I don’t want….’

4. Gather information on times the problem hasn’t happened when it was expected to have happened, when it has happened when it wasn’t expected to have happened, past solutions that have worked – even if it was only temporary, find out interest, life style, other relevant information (you want as much information as you can that the person can use to help themselves. You want to trigger patterns that can be useful resources)

5. Give some metaphors/stories/examples etc mirroring patterns you think would be useful to help with their problem and lead to solutions. You can also give metaphors etc for ‘the weight of a problem/like a weight has been lifted’ (This can imply hands lower due to the problem, raise with solutions and resolution)

6. Ask the client to lift up their hand, have it comfortably relaxed in front of them, elbow slightly bent, palms facing down. Then set up yes/start, no/finish and working signals. This could be a hand raising or lowering for the various signals, etc. Tell them that they will know when the internal work is done and that they don’t have to be aware consciously of what work is taking place on an unconscious level (you don’t have to say this but some people like an explanation).

7. Ask the client to ask their unconscious mind if it is willing to allow the problem and all of it’s aspects to be fully dealt with here and now. If the answer is ‘no’ then ask them to ask their unconscious if it is willing to deal now with the issue(s) that is/are preventing dealing with the problem. If the answer is still ‘no’ then ask this question again but in relation to that issue (what you are doing is allowing the clients unconscious mind to go back through causes of each problem/issue. If the presenting problem is actually just a symptom of another problem then that would need dealing with. If the underlying issue meant another problem is likely to arise then that would need dealing with. Like if someone smokes to relieve stress and you take away the smoking but not work on the stress another problem will arise to deal with the stress instead. Rather than replacing the smoking with another coping mechanism the unconscious may feel that the stress needs dealing with directly)

8. Once you have a ‘yes’ and are working on something, ask them to ask their unconscious to take some time to draw up all of their resources.

9. Once this is done, ask them to now begin to use and integrate these resources and all the power of their unconscious mind to resolve the problem.

10. Tell them once the integration has occurred fully and completely they can receive a message to let them know this (the no/finish signal)

11. Do scaling again (0-10). How has that changed thinking back about that old problem now?

12. Ask them to close their eyes and do future pacing/mental rehearsal.

Permalink Reply by dan jones on March 31, 2009 at 2:18pm

Psychoneuroimmunology & the work of Dr Ernest Rossi

I really like Rossi's approach. Many hypnotherapists use ideo-motor responses as signals to let them know what is going on. Rossi has just gone one stage further and uses ideo-motor responses and observation skills to track what the client is doing. He trusts that the client has the relevant resources in most cases to heal themselves. If after doing this process or a version of it if the person needed to do some talking then he would have them talk and would often suggest they can tell him what he needs to know to help them further.

There is considerable research referenced in Rossi's work about the autonomic nervous system and the endocrine system and cellular healing, and about research into gene expression and healing at the genetic level.

Ernest Rossi's work is all about information transduction and State Dependant Memory Learning and Behaviour (SDMLB).
His way of working based on his research into the subject is to recall the problem and be very specific in this so that you will be dealing with as pure a form of that memory as possible.

Memory is fluid so every time you recall memories you alter them even if you don't mean to.

Ernest Rossi would ask if the clients unconscious is willing to work on the problem and would make this question contingent on something observable happening (arms moving, eyes closing etc) if it is willing. He would then let whatever comes up come up and would just respond acknowledging minimal cues that he observes; this could be the client working through difficult memories that have led to their immune system working less efficiently than normal etc. Then when the work is done another signal is given, it could be that all signals stop or a feeling the client gets or opening the eyes etc.

He will grade the problem at the start of a session and at the end so that the client can notice the difference in score pre and post therapy.

His work into information transduction builds on work of others that have gone before him and others that are currently carrying out research in this area. The idea is that information transforms as it passes from place to place, rather than energy being passed from place to place. For example: Electrical impulses in the brain (that carry certain meaning) pass this on to creating chemical processes (knowing exactly which chemicals to create) and this could pass on to create hormonal processes and on to alter cells, creating cellular changes, then in the cells those changes can lead to specific genetic changes etc.

Ernest is working considerably on finding out how the placebo response or natural healing response can be triggered on purpose and demonstrated scientifically without necessarily requiring a set of beliefs or Doctors having to trick patients.
There are many cases of people believing so strongly in a treatment that even if it is a useless treatment it has still worked.

In The Psychobiology of Mind Body Healing by Rossi there is a story of a man that begged his Doctor to let him go on a drug trial. He didn't meet the criteria because the criteria included the person being expected to live at least three months. This person was given days at most. The Doctor gave in and decided that as he will be dead in days someone else can carry on from him when he dies and he won't have had too many of the drugs allocated for the trial. This man was on a respirator, was bed bound and was untreatable. The Doctor gave him the first pill on the Friday afternoon and came back in on the Monday morning to find the patient walking around all happy and cheerful; his cancer had reduced by around 50%. Within a few weeks he was discharged from hospital. A few months later it was in the news that the drug didn't work.

The patient suddenly went very downhill and his cancer came back more aggressively and quickly that it had gone. The Doctor noticed what had happened and so decided to lie to the patient and told him that a stronger strain of treatment is being shipped in which has gone the problems ironed out, he said it was due-in in a few days (building expectancy).

When he gave the patient this 'new' drug (just a placebo) the patient got better twice as quickly as previously. Many months later it was in the news that the drug trials had finished and the findings had been collated and the drug has been found to not work at all. The patient fell ill again and died within 48hrs of this news.

Other research Ernest is looking into is that despite the problem and the cause the underlying physiological response is the same whether it is stress, depression, anxiety, cancer, aids etc. This was called the General Adaptation Syndrome (GAS). It was first noticed and researched in the 1940's and 1950's. Research still continues and theories have been updated to include things like how messenger molecules work and State Dependant Memory Learning and Behaviour (SDMLB).

As well as Psychoneuroimmunology there is also the field of Psychoneuroendocrinology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoneuroendocrinology) that people could look at as the two fields are related and useful to know about.

I have been fascinated by Ernest's work for some time; he has done and continues to do considerable work in this area and in looking at how people can access a self healing state themselves.

A really good starting article into his work can be found at: http://www.ernestrossi.com/Yucel.htm

That should give good grounding and ideas in and around this fascinating subject.

If you are doing trance work or want a greater understanding of spontaneous trance state, knowing about ultradian rhythms is useful.

Permalink Reply by dan jones on March 31, 2009 at 2:20pm

Releasing past stressful experiences to aid cellular healing.

Experiences are encoded in the brain through state dependant memory learning and behaviour (SDMLB) when you have stressful experiences that gets encoded in the mind and body. Stress affects each cell in the body and brain. If it is intense stress or prolonged stress is can have a lasting effect. As it is programmed-in in a state dependant way to remove its effects you need to access the actual state again and re-process it in a more useful manner.

It could be high stress memories that need to be re-accessed and dealt with or memories that gave poor hypnotic suggestions (like a parent telling the child they are always sick etc).

My opinion is that in the same way our upbringing clearly influences who we are as a person psychologically, I believe it also influences our mind-body in the same way.

For example; a person can be depressed and you can see they are depressed. If the person was amnesic for the stresses that could have led to being depressed and they seemed fine on the surface the unconscious would still know about those things and may well still have them sitting there needing dealing with (they would be out of conscious awareness until the person is in the same state the memories where laid down in).

I believe you are giving the unconscious a chance to take each relevant memory, sort them out and place them back in a more appropriate location.

As stress reduces the ability of the immune system then dealing with stress will allow the immune system to get back to its correct potential.

Here is a link to some information on state dependant learning:

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O87-statedependentmemory.html

Follow the link then read down the page and check out the other links also as they are useful to.

Permalink Reply by dan jones on March 31, 2009 at 9:13pm

Ideo Dynamic Healing Demonstration.

Here is a demonstration of utilising ideo motor responses, allowing self expression of the clients unconscious mind to do the work. This is a demonstration that was done on creating a neurological change rather than physical healing just to demonstrate the technique (this is the video that is attached in one of the other replies here).

And here is a demonstration of the technique done within one of my groups to give them an experience of what they were learning:

Permalink Reply by dan jones on April 3, 2009 at 11:47pm

Extracts from the article Placebo Effect: Cure In The Mind

I feel anyone in the healing profession should read this article...some of the key points that I think are useful to know from a healing point of view are below.

"The latest research has shown that the placebo effect does not always arise from a conscious belief in a drug. Alternatively, it may grow out of subconscious associations between recovery and the experience of being treated, from the pinch of a shot to a doctor’s white coat. Such subliminal conditioning can control bodily processes, including immune responses and the release of hormones. Meanwhile researchers have decoded some of the biology of placebo responses, demonstrating that they stem from active processes in the brain.

My colleague, psychologist Manfred Schedlow-ski, and our team at the University of Duisburg-Essen in Germany and the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich have demonstrated that such conditioning can have pharmacological effects that mimic those of the drug being given—in this case, altering immune system status. We conditioned rats by first injecting them with the immunosuppressive drug cyclosporine A, which is used to prevent the rejection of transplanted organs. At the same time, we fed the rats water sweetened with saccharin.

The rats apparently associated the cyclosporine with the sweet drink so that, later, feeding them the drink alone weakened their immune systems, presumably because their brain sent messages to the immune system that partially shut it down. Because the rats cannot consciously believe the drink is therapeutic the way a human might, unconscious, associative learning must have depressed their immunity. These findings suggest that a placebo effect does not require that a person hope for or believe in a positive outcome."

Permalink Reply by Aino / Akpolarmom on April 4, 2009 at 10:15am

WOW, That is powerful stuff. But we knew that already, did we not? But to get a study like this, it can have wide spread effect on medicine. The fact that science can prove that our mind does not have to know... is even more fascinating. have to read more... Thanks.

Permalink Reply by dan jones on April 4, 2009 at 12:58pm

It's not so much that our minds don't have to know, just that our conscious mind doesn't have to know or believe it...

I think that has incredible implications. The number of times I've known people to say something will only work if you believe it will... or to say they can't do hypnosis with someone because the person didn't believe it, or saying it failed because they didn't believe it...

It shows that if you can work directly with the unconscious mind that is where the part that holds the power resides...

Get the unconscious mind onside and you'll get the healing response whether the person in front of you believes they will get better or not (as long as they don't consciously sabotage the work for any reason).

Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on September 27, 2009 at 4:20am

Thank you for discussing Rossi's work and sharing how you use ideomotor healing. I have poured over his and David Cheek's Mind-Body Therapy Methods of Ideodynamic Healing Hypnosis for years! I especially love the many case studies wherein he demonstrates his methodology.

Regarding the fellow with the placebo affect; while his healing and recovery is an excellent example of placebo power, I wonder if his failing and subsequent death was more a "nocebo" reaction. Many don't realize the negative power of information such as those labels on medications which define possible side effects! Here's more on nocebo: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327247.100-13-more-things-t...

Regards, Kelley

Permalink Reply by Pete & Lorraine on January 29, 2010 at 11:44am

Hi Dan
Thanks for this info. I thought I'd read this page but obviously not. I saw Rossi in action on a training course, an old video working with a lady who had deformed hands, within a short period of time he had her moving them. I remembered the video when talking with a client after a weight loss session, she told me she stopped doing Reflexology because her thumbs hurt, I remembered the video, I had some spare time and asked if she would like to give it a go, I did my best to emulate what I saw and heard him do from memory, I helped her improve her thumb movement significantly, unfortunately she didn't want to take it any further as she wasn't ready to deal with the emotions that were coming up, very powerful stuff. I'd forgotten about that session until reading this post and it has revamped my interest in Rossi's work.

Thanks

Pete

dan jones said:

Psychoneuroimmunology & the work of Dr Ernest Rossi

I really like Rossi's approach. Many hypnotherapists use ideo-motor responses as signals to let them know what is going on. Rossi has just gone one stage further and uses ideo-motor responses and observation skills to track what the client is doing. He trusts that the client has the relevant resources in most cases to heal themselves. If after doing this process or a version of it if the person needed to do some talking then he would have them talk and would often suggest they can tell him what he needs to know to help them further.

There is considerable research referenced in Rossi's work about the autonomic nervous system and the endocrine system and cellular healing, and about research into gene expression and healing at the genetic level.

Ernest Rossi's work is all about information transduction and State Dependant Memory Learning and Behaviour (SDMLB).
His way of working based on his research into the subject is to recall the problem and be very specific in this so that you will be dealing with as pure a form of that memory as possible.

Memory is fluid so every time you recall memories you alter them even if you don't mean to.

Ernest Rossi would ask if the clients unconscious is willing to work on the problem and would make this question contingent on something observable happening (arms moving, eyes closing etc) if it is willing. He would then let whatever comes up come up and would just respond acknowledging minimal cues that he observes; this could be the client working through difficult memories that have led to their immune system working less efficiently than normal etc. Then when the work is done another signal is given, it could be that all signals stop or a feeling the client gets or opening the eyes etc.

He will grade the problem at the start of a session and at the end so that the client can notice the difference in score pre and post therapy.

His work into information transduction builds on work of others that have gone before him and others that are currently carrying out research in this area. The idea is that information transforms as it passes from place to place, rather than energy being passed from place to place. For example: Electrical impulses in the brain (that carry certain meaning) pass this on to creating chemical processes (knowing exactly which chemicals to create) and this could pass on to create hormonal processes and on to alter cells, creating cellular changes, then in the cells those changes can lead to specific genetic changes etc.

Ernest is working considerably on finding out how the placebo response or natural healing response can be triggered on purpose and demonstrated scientifically without necessarily requiring a set of beliefs or Doctors having to trick patients.
There are many cases of people believing so strongly in a treatment that even if it is a useless treatment it has still worked.

In The Psychobiology of Mind Body Healing by Rossi there is a story of a man that begged his Doctor to let him go on a drug trial. He didn't meet the criteria because the criteria included the person being expected to live at least three months. This person was given days at most. The Doctor gave in and decided that as he will be dead in days someone else can carry on from him when he dies and he won't have had too many of the drugs allocated for the trial. This man was on a respirator, was bed bound and was untreatable. The Doctor gave him the first pill on the Friday afternoon and came back in on the Monday morning to find the patient walking around all happy and cheerful; his cancer had reduced by around 50%. Within a few weeks he was discharged from hospital. A few months later it was in the news that the drug didn't work.

The patient suddenly went very downhill and his cancer came back more aggressively and quickly that it had gone. The Doctor noticed what had happened and so decided to lie to the patient and told him that a stronger strain of treatment is being shipped in which has gone the problems ironed out, he said it was due-in in a few days (building expectancy).

When he gave the patient this 'new' drug (just a placebo) the patient got better twice as quickly as previously. Many months later it was in the news that the drug trials had finished and the findings had been collated and the drug has been found to not work at all. The patient fell ill again and died within 48hrs of this news.

Other research Ernest is looking into is that despite the problem and the cause the underlying physiological response is the same whether it is stress, depression, anxiety, cancer, aids etc. This was called the General Adaptation Syndrome (GAS). It was first noticed and researched in the 1940's and 1950's. Research still continues and theories have been updated to include things like how messenger molecules work and State Dependant Memory Learning and Behaviour (SDMLB).

As well as Psychoneuroimmunology there is also the field of Psychoneuroendocrinology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoneuroendocrinology) that people could look at as the two fields are related and useful to know about.

I have been fascinated by Ernest's work for some time; he has done and continues to do considerable work in this area and in looking at how people can access a self healing state themselves.

A really good starting article into his work can be found at: http://www.ernestrossi.com/Yucel.htm

That should give good grounding and ideas in and around this fascinating subject.

If you are doing trance work or want a greater understanding of spontaneous trance state, knowing about ultradian rhythms is useful.