number and name block and catalepsy

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Permalink Reply by Brett Cantrell on February 6, 2011 at 5:21pm

Hi Michael,

First, I'm going to say that I wish I could help more. . . because without knowing what kind of wording you're using, what kind of techniques, etc., there could be any number of reasons that you didn't get the result you wanted.  In performance, James has it right of course.  Stop when you get an unwanted result and go to some kind of deepening technique.  Sound advice in my book!

Permalink Reply by DARIN L. FRAZIER on February 6, 2011 at 10:02pm

I agree 100% with both James and Brett!  While I rarely use ARM CATALEPSY in my shows, I almost always have 1 or more volunteers forget their name or a specific number, usually the number "2".  Remember, your show should generally be staged to go from fairly easy suggestions to more difficult or more complicated suggestions.  Amnesia is generally used more in the middle to the end of your show.  You can google "Henry Arons" and the "Arons depth scales of hypnosis".  Arons generally determined that there were 6 stages of hypnotic trance, and amnesia occurred between the latter 3rd and 4th stages or deeper.  If you try it too early, they may not respond, and, in fact, having a failure may cause some people to pop out of hypnosis.  You have to pick the right volunteer for each routine and use each success as a constant convincer.

 

Additionally, try "triple loading" the suggestion.  I say something like this (while the volunteer has his / her eyes closed)... "The person I'm touching right now...from this moment forward, you will no longer be able to recall or say your name until I say otherwise (2 suggestions - recall is 1, and speak is the second).  Your name is now gone from your memory.  It's like it never existed.  No matter how many times you hear your name, you will not be able to speak or recall your name."  This works for me almost every time.  

 

Again, if all else fails, DEEPEN, DEEPEN, DEEPEN!

 

Good luck!

 

DARIN

Permalink Reply by Michael Reinhard on February 6, 2011 at 11:52pm

Thank you very much for your quick answeres. They will help me a lot.

@james @Brett: It is a little bit difficult to tell what I have said when I suggest them to loose the number or the name, because I did this in german. But, on stage it worked very good. That was the first time someone didn´t respond. But, I think the fault was, it was too early to do such suggestions.

@Darin: Thank you for your tip with the "triple loading" suggestion. I will try this in my next show.

 

By the way. What do you like more? Performing a big show or a smaller show (with up to 20 people) ?

Permalink Reply by Michael Reinhard on February 7, 2011 at 12:40am

Thank you James for the link to you youtube channel.

Great Videos !!!!!

James Szeles said:

Hi Michael,

If they remember the number then stop and tell the audience that under hypnosis you can't make them do anything and that it's up to their imagination for any suggestion to work. That puts the responsibility for the suggestion on them. Then have them take a seat and touch the next best person under and tell them to really imaging the number is gone, then there is no such number and try it again. If after two try's , stop and have them all go deeper as you count backward from 8 to 1 and do something easy. See my how to videos on my youtube channel.  I would have to see what your saying to know why they will not respond.

Permalink Reply by HypnoClyde / Clyde Wilcox on February 7, 2011 at 10:03pm

Hi Michael,

I will give you my two cents.

I never do a show for less than 50 people.

Trying to do a "show" for only 12 people that know each other is tough.

You have to establish yourself as an expert and build trust.

Rather than doing a show with half the group, ask them all to volunteer to have some fun.

Do a progressive relaxation induction, see who responds best, keep a couple to use.

Like the other guys said, start out with some easy bits so they can be successful, then move on to memory loss.

Keep using deepeners to get the results you want.

Always video yourself, that way you can see what you are doing that works and what you need help with.

Hypnothoughts is a great way for you to get information to help you, and youtube.com has a lot of hypnotist bits on it, including some of mine.

 

Permalink Reply by Michael Reinhard on February 7, 2011 at 11:34pm

Hi Clyde,

 

thx for your answere.

When working with a small group like 12 people or so. What kind of bits you would use?

 

Michael

HypnoClyde / Clyde Wilcox said:

Hi Michael,

I will give you my two cents.

I never do a show for less than 50 people.

Trying to do a "show" for only 12 people that know each other is tough.

You have to establish yourself as an expert and build trust.

Rather than doing a show with half the group, ask them all to volunteer to have some fun.

Do a progressive relaxation induction, see who responds best, keep a couple to use.

Like the other guys said, start out with some easy bits so they can be successful, then move on to memory loss.

Keep using deepeners to get the results you want.

Always video yourself, that way you can see what you are doing that works and what you need help with.

Hypnothoughts is a great way for you to get information to help you, and youtube.com has a lot of hypnotist bits on it, including some of mine.

 

Permalink Reply by HypnoClyde / Clyde Wilcox on February 8, 2011 at 5:13am

Michael,

What kind of training have you gone through?

If you haven't layed a foundation, it's hard to build.

I would suggest you checkout a couple of my friends.

Richard Nongard has some free scripts on his website www.SubliminalScience.com

He also teaches a stage hypnosis class.

Or Marc Savard has a great training program.http://marcsavard.com/

Your Pre-Talk sets the stage for things to come, it is probably the most important step, and some people rush through this step.

Don't do it! Take your time while you have their attention.

Just like good sex, you have to warm them up, if you want to have a good time.

If you are trying to go it alone, start with a few things with their eyes closed, like hot / cold, smell or funny movie. If you start getting results then have them open their eyes and only look only at you, (friends will pop them out really easy, if you lose their attention).

Have them do some crazy things like, being a ballerina. After you've done some funny things, have them set back in the seat and put them back to sleep and suggest that they are going even deeper, before you try something else like memory loss.

Permalink Reply by Michael Reinhard on February 8, 2011 at 5:27am

Hi Clyde,

 

thanks for your answere.

I am familiar with hypnosis, cause I am doing it for therapeutic reasons for over 10 years.

But now I have to learn, that stage and street hypnosis is totally different. The basics are the same, but the setting is different.

I think it is very important to learn, before entering the stage. For me, it was a little bit wired, that my first shows were the blast, and then after doing the same stuff in front of a few people it doesen´t work.

I think one more reason was, that I underestimated the power of group psychologie and the surrounding of stage, etc ...

My approach was too fast, I think.

Thank you again for your answeres ...

HypnoClyde / Clyde Wilcox said:

Michael,

What kind of training have you gone through?

If you haven't layed a foundation, it's hard to build.

I would suggest you checkout a couple of my friends.

Richard Nongard has some free scripts on his website www.SubliminalScience.com

He also teaches a stage hypnosis class.

Or Marc Savard has a great training program.http://marcsavard.com/

Your Pre-Talk sets the stage for things to come, it is probably the most important step, and some people rush through this step.

Don't do it! Take your time while you have their attention.

Just like good sex, you have to warm them up, if you want to have a good time.

If you are trying to go it alone, start with a few things with their eyes closed, like hot / cold, smell or funny movie. If you start getting results then have them open their eyes and only look only at you, (friends will pop them out really easy, if you lose their attention).

Have them do some crazy things like, being a ballerina. After you've done some funny things, have them set back in the seat and put them back to sleep and suggest that they are going even deeper, before you try something else like memory loss.

Permalink Reply by Jimmy Graham on February 9, 2011 at 2:07pm

Great comments and advice guys!

 

Should the foriegn language bit wait till later as well or can it be used anytime?

Ive always done it as a closer skit for shows which goes over great but have been asked to do it for a TV appearance, so it's basically a one shot deal to make it happen in front of live audience.

 

JimmyG

Permalink Reply by Ricky Strode on February 11, 2011 at 4:02am

I am not a stage hypnotist, but I know setting up anchors are easy. If you can do a few confusion bits that seem like a joke of some sort, you could easily anchor a couple of them when they become confused. Test it by asking a couple of unrelated questions afterwards to test it, using questions with embeded commands help out a lot with this to also add to the anchor. Like if I were to say, 2, blue, 3 pink, 4 yellow, 5, gray, what was 7 or do you just forget or become confused, this is very important to know, you know what I mean, lol. Now, I am curious if you know when to become confused, don't you, like when your going to get something, you get to the room and you just forget what it was you were about to do, but instead you are confused, then, now aren't you or not. Thats not really important, but what is that you know it sometimes. So, I got a question, you don't know what it is, but you also do, but will you when I ask it, while I ask it I am going to take you arm like this (slowly and lightly take a hold of arm and begin to lift very slowly and keep talking), but thats ok, I am feeling kind of tired so I may begin to breath deeply as I talk to you, thats alright isn't it, ok what was your name again (fire off anchor immediately twice one second apart of each other) and say did you notice how your hand and how your concentration, look at it. It is ok to closure eyes or leave them open or they could even become heavy or not, but I am still wondering what you name is, I forget about it now, you know.

 

Not the greatest example, but easy to do and works very well. I do all kind of Improptu hypnosis in just about evey imaginable setting.

Permalink Reply by Dan Perez on February 15, 2011 at 10:34am

Something else that hasn't been mentioned, that I use successfully, is to tell them that the amnesia will only be temporary. If you try to make someone forget something as important as their name, they may resist if they are in a light stage of trance. If someone works with numbers every day, they might not want to forget something like that. But you can ease the process by saying something like, "You are now going to lose the number 7--don't worry, you'll get it back a little later--but for now, it's gone (etc)."

 

Also, substitution can be just as impressive as amnesia when it comes to names and is a bit easier to do. Replace their name with another name. The suggestion might go "Your name is no longer Henry Smith, it never has been, isn't now and never will be...your subconscious will supply a new name for you and that is now your name." In my experience they always pick a different name and believe it to be theirs. Plus, once you restore their real name you can mention their substituted name later on and the audience will giggle about it.

Permalink Reply by Michael Reinhard on February 15, 2011 at 10:20pm

Hi Dan,

thank you very much for your answere.
Your "replace the name" idea is a very good idea. I will use it the next time. I like that very much, when I saw it in some youtube clips.

Michael

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