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Getting paid these days! Geesh!
I have always had the attitude, I need to eat and pay bills the next week too, but watching mailboxes like a hawk is not much fun. I have been patient, but in the past 6 months or so, seems there were a great deal of delays about folks owning up to pay for my work, the shows were hits, so that's not an issue. Sort of like they want what they want when they want it, and then, well, you can wait until we get to you. The last check I was waiting for was dated almost a month earlier, someone evidently was messing around about mailing it for the school where I worked.
At the present moment, all my checks are in, but from what I've seen from other entertainers, years back who hosted concerts back in the day, Johnny Cash (you had to love his last name for the sake of this discussion), BB King, Tito Puente, the Neville Bro's. and on, they get cash or certifed bank check before they ever walked on, as you cannot take back a performance once you've done it.
Any insights, or were the planets out of allignment, which hopefully have realligned?
Tags: checks, paid, pay, shows, stage
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Permalink Reply by Richard Anthony on -
Dear John,
In my 40+ years on the stage I've only run into this problem once.
For schools, I get a 50% deposit up front, and usually ask for cash or certified check before the show goes on for the other 50%.
Casinos: Never once had a problem.
Nightclubs: This is where I had the one problem. The club was in Chapter 11 Bankruptcy by the time of the date. I never got the money.
Corporate & Conventions: Always got paid in advance.
Fairs: Never a problem
Amusement Parks: Good as gold.
Richard -
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Permalink Reply by John Cerbone - The Trance-Master on
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This clip talks of the Van Halen M & M's Contract Demand. LOL
It was the Brown ones removed -
& then the Rolling Stones demanded Van Halen's Brown M & M's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULSCFUjNkXY&feature=related
kirby vonshouse said:btw=one rock group puts a claue in the contract that the dressing room will have a 5# bowl of mm's with the yellow ones picked out, just to see if the contract was read lol
kirby vonshouse said:i like the idea of the discount, it motivates! my friends in the music biz told me "contract" or forget it, you cant take back a show. you CAN however take the stage, tell the crowd the situation, and let the club owner/agent dealwith disgrunteld rock'nrollers I.E. GUNS N ROSES - ST. LOUIS. and the pay regardless of show or not clause locks them in. but final payment before show = always. "checks in the mail" ok, the band is in the truck, band on stage when money is in my hand. you cant twist an arm you dont have a hold on. ps collection/handling/B.S. fee is additional 35%
IF THEY HAVENT READ THE CONTRACT, READ IT TO THEM, NOT YOUR FAULT, if its a non profit split the door agreement have a door counter on your team. its common to"miscount" otherwise. and no reason to wait for cash.
we have gotten biz for walking out on sleazy promotors, from promotors who laughed at their coleague. -
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Permalink Reply by Don Rice on -
Hi John,I know you have a lot of history in stage so what I'm offering is probably something you have heard before.
I make my payment policy very clear. I receive 25% up front with a signed contract and 75% before I ever step on stage.
I call them a day before the show and remind them to have a payment ready for me or I won't entertain.The key is to NEVER start your show without the money in your pocket no matter what they say.
Don -
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Thanks Don!
Don Rice said:Hi John,I know you have a lot of history in stage so what I'm offering is probably something you have heard before.
I make my payment policy very clear. I receive 25% up front with a signed contract and 75% before I ever step on stage.
I call them a day before the show and remind them to have a payment ready for me or I won't entertain.The key is to NEVER start your show without the money in your pocket no matter what they say.
Don -
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Permalink Reply by John Cressman on -
I'll chime in here because I have the benefit of over 40 years experience - from my agent.
When I first started professionally performing, I did most of my work through an agent. He was very adamant about touching base with the client and REMINDING them of the exact amount and that it was due upon arrival.
I started incorporating that into my own contracts and procedures and it works very well. I check in two weeks before the performance, then again one week and then again two days before hand and the last night I make sure I get their confirmation that all my requirements (stage, sound, etc.) are met, the time is the same, and remind them that the balance is due upon arrival.
I also never officially "book" a job without a deposit, except in the cases of certain schools and corporate clients, or last minute bookings. I tell them I'll pencil them in at that time and I can hold it for two weeks, and once I get the signed contract back with the deposit I'll lock in their date. If need be I send a followup with them letting them know that I have a couple other people asking about shows that day...
Because of this, I have only gotten stiffed once in the last 5 years. And it's very rare that I don't get a deposit in advance and the balance at the performance.
One other thing... make sure you have on your contract that they agree to have any disputes resolved in YOUR local court.... no theirs. Imagine having to fly somewhere to resolve a contract dispute and spending more money on the flight and lodging than your making. If THEY have to come to YOU, then that's extra incentive to not have it go to dispute.
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