Is this possible?

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Permalink Reply by Michael Brown on July 23, 2010 at 8:59pm

I actually know a little more about physics than I do about hypnosis. You are right about matter being made up mostly of space. Also the rules of Quantum physics are RADICALLY different from the rules of classical phyics. The rules that we know like objects don't pass through each other and things fall down don't always apply to very small, very light and very fast particles. Especially when it comes to objects passing through each other. One of my Engineering professors once told me that if you fire a cannon ball at a sheet of tissue paper the chance of it bouncing off is not %0. My response was "yeah but that is the way I would bet money on it happening." I think the most likely explanation of the man being able to read through his wife is that he simply said what he thought the magazine said. Either that or he had seen that article before and was receiting from memory. Of course in his mind he was actually "reading". I am sure if you asked about it later he would say that he read and there was no one in the way. The true test would be if the magazine was completely blocked and the man wasn't given any opportunity to see it ahead of time. Then compare what he says with what the magazine actually says. Would he be able to tell you exactly what the magaine says? My Engineering professor would say that the chance of that happening isn't %0.

Permalink Reply by Gaia on July 23, 2010 at 9:36pm

No, I do not think I explained this as it should be explained. When i said that after the man was hypnotized, they placed the mag behind his wife. That was not it, and is not the point that it was done AFTER. Let us just pretend that the magazine was behind his wife prior to his being hypnotized, or it doesn't have to be a magazine, could be anything, the POINT being whether it was a PINK ELEPHANT or a magazine or anything else, the dude was supposedly able to see it even though "in reality" the wife's body was BLOCKING it, it has NOTHING to do with this man having already seeing the writing before. I said it was a magazine when relating this story here, but I really cannot remember if it was a magazine, a page from a book or whatever.

All i was trying to suggest is that there are many things that happen in this life that BLOW MY MIND and I am NOT talking about "alien abductions" although...who knows...many otherwise "normal" people swear they have been abducted and "examined" by aliens, and if you ever have listened to the late night radio show called "Coast To Coast AM" which some would say is all rubbish, and which i say is mostly not rubbish, but, rather, on the cutting edge, with the majority of guests having mainstream credentials although what they often have to say is anything but mainstream, then you know that many other people claim to have seen ghosts and other weird things. Some people have had premonitions that cannot be rationally explained away. The US govt has spent tens of millions if not more dollars on "remote viewing" and it supposedly works to one degree or another.

I have gotten to the point that I think there is a lot more to "life" than meets the eye, not that I really have much of a clue as to what that might be. Near death experiences are so so common now that you just got to think there is something more to it than just the brain "shutting down," too much other stuff these "dead" people who somehow "resurrect" and remember while they were "dead" being said. Just too many thousands of reports of this.

If we don't blow this world to kingdom come, you surely must agree we shall continue to "progress" at more and more accelerated speeds. Who in 1960 envisioned the internet...no one is who. What will this world be like, say, 20 years from now, 50 years from now, 100 years from now??? I will tell you what the world will be like...no one can possibly imagine what it will be like....impossible to fathom even one iota of what this world will be like and what we shall discover if we survive that long. I am convinced we remain quite primitive. Two things at least tell me this...first, that according to "modern" science nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. IF this is so, which it is NOT, for "thought" travels faster than the speed of light, but just for arguments sake, let us say that we believe we cannot travel faster than the speed of light and this is what we believe to be a universal truth. If this is so, then space travel is impossibe, because it would take way too long to go even to the nearest star outside of our solar system let alone go space exploring and i am convinced that there will come a time when we shall space travel with ease, just we are so primitive now its laughable. Second, there is some "order" to it all, or why would there be such obvious "coincidences" also called "synchronicities" that defy logic. Yes, there is much more to be learned. Every generation thinks they know it all. We are no different and we do not know it all...ditto for the next generation and the next and the next, etc, etc...

Gaia

Michael Brown said:

I actually know a little more about physics than I do about hypnosis. You are right about matter being made up mostly of space. Also the rules of Quantum physics are RADICALLY different from the rules of classical phyics. The rules that we know like objects don't pass through each other and things fall down don't always apply to very small, very light and very fast particles. Especially when it comes to objects passing through each other. One of my Engineering professors once told me that if you fire a cannon ball at a sheet of tissue paper the chance of it bouncing off is not %0. My response was "yeah but that is the way I would bet money on it happening." I think the most likely explanation of the man being able to read through his wife is that he simply said what he thought the magazine said. Either that or he had seen that article before and was receiting from memory. Of course in his mind he was actually "reading". I am sure if you asked about it later he would say that he read and there was no one in the way. The true test would be if the magazine was completely blocked and the man wasn't given any opportunity to see it ahead of time. Then compare what he says with what the magazine actually says. Would he be able to tell you exactly what the magaine says? My Engineering professor would say that the chance of that happening isn't %0.

Permalink Reply by Praesto on July 23, 2010 at 9:52pm

I agree with Michael, or it's a trick. My background is as a magician. If you combine a simple mindreading trick with hypnosis you will get this effect. Even if I do agree with Gaia that there's a lot more to "life" than meets the eye, I don't think that this is an examlpe of that.

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Permalink Reply by bob burns on July 27, 2010 at 11:31am

Hi,Gaia,
I do believe that this would be hypnosis and mentalism combined. Praesto is on the money. Strangely enough this effect would be relatively easy to do. There would be several methods but one would be to have hypnotised the guy earlier, implanted the memorised page, give him amnesia and then at the time of the performance it would be fairly straightforward.
If you look up: 'Bob Burns does mindreading on the radio' on Youtube, you'll hear me doing this with a DJ who believes that that's what I'm doing, reading his mind. In reality I'm simply repeating things he told me the day before but he has no recollection of meeting me.
Oh and although I feel sure David Icke got this one wrong I actually have a great deal of respect for him.
Regards,
Bob

Praesto said:

I agree with Michael, or it's a trick. My background is as a magician. If you combine a simple mindreading trick with hypnosis you will get this effect. Even if I do agree with Gaia that there's a lot more to "life" than meets the eye, I don't think that this is an examlpe of that.

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Permalink Reply by John Cerbone - The Trance-Master on September 13, 2010 at 6:29pm

Anything is possible. I make myself invisible all the time in shows at will. As to reading, well again, anything is possible whether a trick, psychic phenomena, or anything else. .
I do like Jim's glimpse theory, which is what went through my mind.

Permalink Reply by Gaia on September 14, 2010 at 5:18pm

Wow...about the belt loops remaining intact. That reminds me of a story I have heard from 2 different people, years apart. What I heard was that each of these people were about to drive through an intersection where their light was green. From the left or the right, another car had run the red light and there was just a split second when that person thought they would be killed by the oncoming car, that there was total certainty there would the two cars would crash, yet they did not crash, they simply "went through each other!" They just passed through each other just like the idea of being able to walk through solid matter. I realize this sounds crazy, and maybe it is. I am not entirely convinced these incidents occurred, but from the little I know about quantum physics, nothing is really SOLID, everything is made out of atoms which are mostly empty space, due to atoms being made up mostly of empty space. I did read somewhere that although it is about a one in a many million chance but that if one kept walking into a wall, they would likely just bump into the wall and never be able to go "through it" but that there is that one in a zillion chance that the atoms will be lined up "just so" in both the person trying to walk through the wall and the wall, the atoms are just right for walking through that wall to be possible. The only reason I think this COULD be possible is due to the notion of the "Big Bang" theory (which I am not yet positive I buy as how the universe came into being), which if it is true, that "Big Bang" had to happen with such precision, i.e., if the Big Bang had been stronger it would have been "too much" and the stars would have been pulverized and no stars would have been born, and if the Big Bang had been just a wee bit weaker, there would not have been enough energy to develop stars at all, it would have just "fizzled out." So the Big Bang was a PRECISE action, with INTENT by "WHATEVER"...call it "God" or "The One" or "The Creator" or "Divine Intelligence" or whatever nickname one wants to use. It was perfectly orchastrated so it would "work" and "creation" happened. Not "accidentally." So why would it not be possible for you with your belt loops intact be possible and why wouldnt it be possible for two cars to simply pass through each other. Obviously this would be a very rare occurance, but so is winning the lottery; it happens. The odds are very much against it happening yet EVENTUALLY someone does win the "jackpot."

Now i dont know what this has to do with my original question as to the possibility that the man was able to see through his wife while hypnotized other than what I think I said in my first post. That being that if everything really is mostly empty space,, and the hypnotized man did, beyond a shadow of a doubt, BELIEVE his wife was invisible, perhaps this would up the odds of actually "seeing" things as they "really" are, that being "seeing" the empty space of his wife, and therefore, it was not a "trick" at all, he really did see through his wife and was able to read the text of the book or magazine or whatever was behind his wife. I hope i am making myself clear here. I think i shall try this out. I do some rather "unorthodox" hypnosis, and I think I shall in the next few weeks see if I can "condition" and "train" a volunteer client of mine, and see if i can duplicate this making something invisible to them, and see for myself if they are able to see something hidden behind the supposedly invisible barrier to whatever i hide behind them. This should be interesting to say the least. Maybe some other hypnotherapists might give this a try too, just out of curiosity. I shall get back to everyone here and let you know if i was successful. Very intriguing to me. Never thought till now of trying to "test" it out for myself.

James Szeles said:

After reading your post I see what your asking. Could the man really see thought his wife. My guess would be he cough a glimpse of the magazine if only for a second and being under hypnosis all he needed was a split second to see it before the hypnotist put it behind her back.
What led me to hypnosis was one day when I was 15 years old my cousin and my self were into magic (tricks not witchcraft). We were practicing rope escapes and he tied me to a fence with rope. Part of the rope went thought my belt loops of my jeans that I had just bought. As I'm trying to get free he grabs the hose and try's to spray me with water. With out thinking I tried to run and got free but the rope had been thought my belt loops and I was mad thinking that the loops broke. But the loops were in tack and the rope was still tied to the fence. What I think happened was the atoms in the rope align with the atoms in my pants and they pass thought each other. Just my 2 cents.

Permalink Reply by Spellbinde on September 16, 2010 at 5:15pm

I have studied the physics of two objects missing each other as you suggest. While it is theoretically possible, it will only happen once in multiple lifespans of the universe. It didnt happen the day you were there. It's a very good illusion.

Gaia said:

Wow...about the belt loops remaining intact. That reminds me of a story I have heard from 2 different people, years apart. What I heard was that each of these people were about to drive through an intersection where their light was green. From the left or the right, another car had run the red light and there was just a split second when that person thought they would be killed by the oncoming car, that there was total certainty there would the two cars would crash, yet they did not crash, they simply "went through each other!" They just passed through each other just like the idea of being able to walk through solid matter. I realize this sounds crazy, and maybe it is. I am not entirely convinced these incidents occurred, but from the little I know about quantum physics, nothing is really SOLID, everything is made out of atoms which are mostly empty space, due to atoms being made up mostly of empty space. I did read somewhere that although it is about a one in a many million chance but that if one kept walking into a wall, they would likely just bump into the wall and never be able to go "through it" but that there is that one in a zillion chance that the atoms will be lined up "just so" in both the person trying to walk through the wall and the wall, the atoms are just right for walking through that wall to be possible. The only reason I think this COULD be possible is due to the notion of the "Big Bang" theory (which I am not yet positive I buy as how the universe came into being), which if it is true, that "Big Bang" had to happen with such precision, i.e., if the Big Bang had been stronger it would have been "too much" and the stars would have been pulverized and no stars would have been born, and if the Big Bang had been just a wee bit weaker, there would not have been enough energy to develop stars at all, it would have just "fizzled out." So the Big Bang was a PRECISE action, with INTENT by "WHATEVER"...call it "God" or "The One" or "The Creator" or "Divine Intelligence" or whatever nickname one wants to use. It was perfectly orchastrated so it would "work" and "creation" happened. Not "accidentally." So why would it not be possible for you with your belt loops intact be possible and why wouldnt it be possible for two cars to simply pass through each other. Obviously this would be a very rare occurance, but so is winning the lottery; it happens. The odds are very much against it happening yet EVENTUALLY someone does win the "jackpot."

Now i dont know what this has to do with my original question as to the possibility that the man was able to see through his wife while hypnotized other than what I think I said in my first post. That being that if everything really is mostly empty space,, and the hypnotized man did, beyond a shadow of a doubt, BELIEVE his wife was invisible, perhaps this would up the odds of actually "seeing" things as they "really" are, that being "seeing" the empty space of his wife, and therefore, it was not a "trick" at all, he really did see through his wife and was able to read the text of the book or magazine or whatever was behind his wife. I hope i am making myself clear here. I think i shall try this out. I do some rather "unorthodox" hypnosis, and I think I shall in the next few weeks see if I can "condition" and "train" a volunteer client of mine, and see if i can duplicate this making something invisible to them, and see for myself if they are able to see something hidden behind the supposedly invisible barrier to whatever i hide behind them. This should be interesting to say the least. Maybe some other hypnotherapists might give this a try too, just out of curiosity. I shall get back to everyone here and let you know if i was successful. Very intriguing to me. Never thought till now of trying to "test" it out for myself.

James Szeles said:

After reading your post I see what your asking. Could the man really see thought his wife. My guess would be he cough a glimpse of the magazine if only for a second and being under hypnosis all he needed was a split second to see it before the hypnotist put it behind her back.
What led me to hypnosis was one day when I was 15 years old my cousin and my self were into magic (tricks not witchcraft). We were practicing rope escapes and he tied me to a fence with rope. Part of the rope went thought my belt loops of my jeans that I had just bought. As I'm trying to get free he grabs the hose and try's to spray me with water. With out thinking I tried to run and got free but the rope had been thought my belt loops and I was mad thinking that the loops broke. But the loops were in tack and the rope was still tied to the fence. What I think happened was the atoms in the rope align with the atoms in my pants and they pass thought each other. Just my 2 cents.

Permalink Reply by Gaia on September 16, 2010 at 6:03pm

Spellbinde said:

I have studied the physics of two objects missing each other as you suggest. While it is theoretically possible, it will only happen once in multiple lifespans of the universe. It didnt happen the day you were there. It's a very good illusion.

Gaia said:

Wow...about the belt loops remaining intact. That reminds me of a story I have heard from 2 different people, years apart. What I heard was that each of these people were about to drive through an intersection where their light was green. From the left or the right, another car had run the red light and there was just a split second when that person thought they would be killed by the oncoming car, that there was total certainty there would the two cars would crash, yet they did not crash, they simply "went through each other!" They just passed through each other just like the idea of being able to walk through solid matter. I realize this sounds crazy, and maybe it is. I am not entirely convinced these incidents occurred, but from the little I know about quantum physics, nothing is really SOLID, everything is made out of atoms which are mostly empty space, due to atoms being made up mostly of empty space. I did read somewhere that although it is about a one in a many million chance but that if one kept walking into a wall, they would likely just bump into the wall and never be able to go "through it" but that there is that one in a zillion chance that the atoms will be lined up "just so" in both the person trying to walk through the wall and the wall, the atoms are just right for walking through that wall to be possible. The only reason I think this COULD be possible is due to the notion of the "Big Bang" theory (which I am not yet positive I buy as how the universe came into being), which if it is true, that "Big Bang" had to happen with such precision, i.e., if the Big Bang had been stronger it would have been "too much" and the stars would have been pulverized and no stars would have been born, and if the Big Bang had been just a wee bit weaker, there would not have been enough energy to develop stars at all, it would have just "fizzled out." So the Big Bang was a PRECISE action, with INTENT by "WHATEVER"...call it "God" or "The One" or "The Creator" or "Divine Intelligence" or whatever nickname one wants to use. It was perfectly orchastrated so it would "work" and "creation" happened. Not "accidentally." So why would it not be possible for you with your belt loops intact be possible and why wouldnt it be possible for two cars to simply pass through each other. Obviously this would be a very rare occurance, but so is winning the lottery; it happens. The odds are very much against it happening yet EVENTUALLY someone does win the "jackpot."

Now i dont know what this has to do with my original question as to the possibility that the man was able to see through his wife while hypnotized other than what I think I said in my first post. That being that if everything really is mostly empty space,, and the hypnotized man did, beyond a shadow of a doubt, BELIEVE his wife was invisible, perhaps this would up the odds of actually "seeing" things as they "really" are, that being "seeing" the empty space of his wife, and therefore, it was not a "trick" at all, he really did see through his wife and was able to read the text of the book or magazine or whatever was behind his wife. I hope i am making myself clear here. I think i shall try this out. I do some rather "unorthodox" hypnosis, and I think I shall in the next few weeks see if I can "condition" and "train" a volunteer client of mine, and see if i can duplicate this making something invisible to them, and see for myself if they are able to see something hidden behind the supposedly invisible barrier to whatever i hide behind them. This should be interesting to say the least. Maybe some other hypnotherapists might give this a try too, just out of curiosity. I shall get back to everyone here and let you know if i was successful. Very intriguing to me. Never thought till now of trying to "test" it out for myself.

James Szeles said:

After reading your post I see what your asking. Could the man really see thought his wife. My guess would be he cough a glimpse of the magazine if only for a second and being under hypnosis all he needed was a split second to see it before the hypnotist put it behind her back.
What led me to hypnosis was one day when I was 15 years old my cousin and my self were into magic (tricks not witchcraft). We were practicing rope escapes and he tied me to a fence with rope. Part of the rope went thought my belt loops of my jeans that I had just bought. As I'm trying to get free he grabs the hose and try's to spray me with water. With out thinking I tried to run and got free but the rope had been thought my belt loops and I was mad thinking that the loops broke. But the loops were in tack and the rope was still tied to the fence. What I think happened was the atoms in the rope align with the atoms in my pants and they pass thought each other. Just my 2 cents.

Permalink Reply by Gaia on September 16, 2010 at 6:25pm

With all due respect...what does "multiple lifespans of the universe" mean? If it is true that James Szeles said, that his belt loops remained intact after breaking free from the rope that was running through those belt loops, how do you explain that?

I think there is so much that we do not understand, and science does not have all the answer, at least the primitive science of today, that no one can be so smug as to believe we do have all the answers.

I will change the subject a bit and go off on a tangent on space travel and space ships or flying saucers coming from outer space. I am no scientist, but common sense tells me that there is no way that the so-called flying saucers could be alien. From what I understand, it is impossible to travel faster than the speed of light. The closest star from us is I don't know how many light years away from us, but it is many many light years. I say impossible that any alien craft could ever make it here traveling even at the speed of light as it would take way too long to get here. Sure, there is talk of "worm holes" and "black holes" and how time might be able to be "bent" and thus advanced civilizations could have found a way to navigate through space where it would not tale long to journey enormous distances through space quickly. And if this is true and some aliens had discovered how to do this then it goes without saying that this would make all our scientific "truths" obsolete and meaningless, thus your statement that objects being able to go through each other would only happen once in multiple lifespans of the universe.

The fact is our science is still PRIMITIVE.

And, btw, I NEVER said I was there when the cars allegedly were able to go through each other without any crashing occuring, I simply heard of this.

If you have lived as long as I have you have either witnessed personally or heard from non-wacko people things that have happened where there is no logical explanation as to HOW they happened. Open your mind a little...take off the blinders, they are preventing you from ever discovering anything new. They said it was impossible to run the 4 minute mile. Once it was done, it happened again and again and it keeps happening...no big deal. YOU would never have broken the 4 minute mile no matter how fit you were because you are stuck along with most people in mainstream consciousness...you would have been one who believed the earth was flat when that "fact" was fashionable to believe as "truth."