Why Do Post-Hypnotic Suggestions Fail?

I have a client I work with on a regular basis. She is a very good subject, and I have been able to produce all of the hypnotic phenomona in her during induction and deeping, through test vchgallenges, including visual hallucinations. As a times saver I like to establish a post-hypnotic cue to re-enter deep hypnotic trace, and evewn deeper than the subject is during the time the cue is establish. I always wait to give this cue until I have success in producing total amnesia for numbers and letters of the alphabet. Normally this post hypnotic cue works beautifully in subjects who display all or most all of the hypnotic phenomona during depth testing exersizes. However, in this particular client, who dispalys not only amnesia upon suggestion in hypnosis, but visual hallucinations as well...I can't seem to get the post hypnotic cue to re-enter deep hypnosis instantly, to work effectively in following sessions, thouigh I have tried to establish them numerous times as a trime saver in futrure sessions. Can anyone tell me why these cues might be failing, and what I maty be able able to do to help get them succewssfully established and operational.

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Permalink Reply by Antoine Pruyssers on February 24, 2010 at 9:27am

Can you tell some more about the trigger you use, what accessing cues you use and what words you use, for the post hypnotic suggestion?

Based upon the limited information, it's hard to really get any in-depth insight in this case.

Permalink Reply by TheMezmerizer on February 24, 2010 at 10:09am

Basically just before I trerminate a session, I give a suggestion somewqhat as follows; " Now Samantha, before we end our session I would like to establish a special signal between you and I. Any time in the future I give you this signal, it will act as a trigger for you to rapidly and instantly re-enter a profound hypnosis...even deeper than the one you are currently in. Now, in the future every time I look into your eyes and rub my left earlobe, you automatically, spontamniously and instantly enter a deep hypnotic trance a very profound and relaxing sleep. Upon waking you have no rememberance consciously that I have given you this signal trigger, however, when I preform it for you you go instantly into deep, hypnosis." After that I awaken the subject, test it, reawaken the subject and test it again two or three times. And she responds according to the cue. But, when a week or so passes and I again use the cue it does not produce thge desired affects. ANY SUGGESTIONS?

Permalink Reply by Richard Rumble on February 24, 2010 at 11:42am

My first thought would be " Secondary Gain". What is the client getting out of the lack of response to the post hypnotic? Perhaps this particular client really really LIKES the process of the induction and in order for it to meet the pre-conceived notion she has of what hypnosis IS.. she needs something longer than just a look .. and rubbing your ear lobe.

I have a post hypnotic suggestion implanted in myself.. as well as it is in place with several others that I used to do regular hypnosis teaching meetings with ( LA SLEEPWALKERS) and at ANY time when it is appropriate, I can say the single word SLEEP... and they will drop into a deep trance... likewise at ANY time when it is appropriate they can do the same to ME. And if you had been at the Brian David Phillips waking trance seminar last year you would have been able to see it in action as I THOUGHT the chair I was leaning on was stable... and when I was given the command SLEEP... I found myself on the floor.

If I were working with this client... I would implant the same post hypnotic suggestion as you have been doing. " When we next get together, in order to best maximize our time, when I give the command SLEEP you will drop back into this exact state and even go deeper than ever before". I would then use a rapid induction like a hand drop... or a handshake or arm pull... or if your comfortable even make up your OWN rapid induction... and use the trigger SLEEP at the proper moment.

If your sketchy about rapid and instant induction and just want to practice a few... I know that John Cerbone is having a weekend gathering here in California as well as other places that you would really like to attend... and there are several others on the site that you take a weekend seminar from as well...

Richard Rumble
Mister Hypnosis

Permalink Reply by Antoine Pruyssers on February 24, 2010 at 11:44am

Just a hunch, but try to look into her eyes and say :"THIS SIGNAL" !
I think you'll be surprised .......

Permalink Reply by Ritchie Campbell on February 24, 2010 at 12:21pm

Try This "BECAUSE YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL INTELLIGENT MIND IT MEANS THAT ANYTIME I WANT TO HYPNOTIZE YOU IN THE FUTURE FOR WHATEVER REASON, ALL I WILL HAVE TO DO IS TOUCH YOU ON THE SHOULDER AND SAY THE WORD SLEEP! AND YOU WILL, WITHOUT QUESTION, INSTANTLY AND COMPLETELY RETURN TO THIS WONDERFUL STATE OF MIND GOING TEN TMES DEEPER, FEELING TEN TIMES BETTER EVERY TIME"

Hope This Helps

Regards

Ritchie
http://www.hypnotix.org.uk

Permalink Reply by kirby vonshouse on February 24, 2010 at 12:31pm

i think antoine is on it here, get her full attention, that"huh?" look then hit her. i use the post sug. with all clients as a back door time saver, i add "twice as deep twice as fast" and always include"it only works when i say,or do(the trigger) . i have had clowns in the past using this as a new found toy and your (gun) should be locked up when your not using it.
maybe she is entering a state of waking hypno and you dont read it, maybe next time it fails, say somthing as you normally would (thats good,and deep deeper ...good sleep etc) see if she goes. let us know what happens !

Antoine Pruyssers said:

Just a hunch, but try to look into her eyes and say :"THIS SIGNAL" !
I think you'll be surprised .......

Permalink Reply by Antoine Pruyssers on February 24, 2010 at 1:15pm

Sorry about not clarifying my response, but I had a long day.
When I read your script, I stumbled upon one thing, you said:
"Any time in the future I give you THIS SIGNAL, it will act as a trigger for you to rapidly and instantly re-enter a profound hypnosis...even deeper than the one you are currently in. Now, in the future every time I look into......"
You refer towards a signal, that you hadn't told her yet.
It may be, that this subject thought up a signal by herself, that she perceived in that moment, instead of waiting for you to tell her what it was.
Keep in mind that the flow of time in deep hypnosis is far from "real time" and that bij saying "THIS SIGNAL" the unconscious coupled these two words to something out of your expectation.
Always be sure your post hypnotic suggestion got picked up, by using it, right after installing it!
This way a subject will likely not go into trance, by a mistaken "trigger".
If your client is more of a auditory person, than a visual one, it may be likely, that the words "THIS SIGNAL" are the trigger, instead of what you wanted her to see.

But maybe I'm wrong and it's something else. lol
Just try it, see what happens!

Permalink Reply by Debbie on February 24, 2010 at 1:55pm

I have found so far that post's like that work better with permission. "When I (abc) you will (xyz)......if that is acceptable to you, nod your head." This is has never failed me yet, as people under hypnosis can still reject suggestions they do not agree with.

Permalink Reply by Dany - RenaissanceHypnosis.Co.Uk on February 24, 2010 at 2:28pm

All great suggestions indeed, have you tried various triggers instead of the hear lobe one, some may find some induction ridiculous and if they dismiss them, they resist them!

Dany
RenaissanceHypnosis.Ca

Permalink Reply by Antonio on February 24, 2010 at 3:04pm

I like Rumbles response and Dany's response so far...

The one thing I thought was that this person may be more auditory than visual. I would try a very simple thing such as snapping your fingers and saying something like "sleep now".

Here is also another idea you can try. You can have your client, while in a deep trance, imagine that she is watching herself in front of you. Then telling her something along the lines of "when you hear me say the words "sleep now" and snap my fingers you will see how the you in your minds eye reacts...by closing your eyes...and returning to this same level of trance, or even deeper". You could probably do this a few times and guage her responses to this suggestion. Then at the end, if you want, have her step/float/merge/etc. into the her in her minds eye. Then simply test....

Just my 2 cents - if you don't need them give em back please, I'm broke :D

Permalink Reply by Dany - RenaissanceHypnosis.Co.Uk on February 24, 2010 at 5:54pm

Brilliant indeed!

One thing that I should have also said, Hope you also agree with Antonio, is something I say a lot. The more flexible the hypnotist is the more people he can help (work with). What you are using is YOUR favorite trigger when in fact the hypnosis is THEIR OWN. Why try to absolutely have them comply with yours I say.

Yes we take the lead but we also have to simply go with sometimes.Authoritarian works great but not on all people and not for everything or every stage of trance even. A nice blend of "what works for that client in front of you" is always the best combination. Just pay attention, look, listen, feel. The knowledge is in there, the experience is in there...it will come to you Mezmerizer.

Dany
RenaissanceHypnosis.Ca

Ps Thanks again Antonio!

Antonio said:

I like Rumbles response and Dany's response so far...

The one thing I thought was that this person may be more auditory than visual. I would try a very simple thing such as snapping your fingers and saying something like "sleep now".

Here is also another idea you can try. You can have your client, while in a deep trance, imagine that she is watching herself in front of you. Then telling her something along the lines of "when you hear me say the words "sleep now" and snap my fingers you will see how the you in your minds eye reacts...by closing your eyes...and returning to this same level of trance, or even deeper". You could probably do this a few times and guage her responses to this suggestion. Then at the end, if you want, have her step/float/merge/etc. into the her in her minds eye. Then simply test....

Just my 2 cents - if you don't need them give em back please, I'm broke :D

Permalink Reply by AK. RATHOD PsychoHypnotist INDIA on February 26, 2010 at 6:40am

Post hypnotic behavior is the deep matter of research. It depends on various factors like
[1] Suggestibility of the subject
[2] acceptability to register as suggestion by the subject's personal value.
[3] strong or poor conditioning and triggering setup.
[4] and finally posthypnotic behavior pattern of the individual in waking life.
[5] Hypnosis a cooperation between subject and the hypnotist as guide even in waking state.

I think we must reconsider above points in special cases where post hypnotic induction fails.

Please read my discussion page for post hypnotic POSITIVE HALLUCINATION page.

Thanks

Psycho hypnotist from INDIA