Pain control and Waking Hypnosis

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Permalink Reply by Rene Frederiksen on May 6, 2009 at 3:15pm

Nice.
I attended Dr. Angel Escudero's "NoEsiTherapy" in Spain and he operate people WITHOUT hypnosis and directly without any form for painkillers etc.
See his video here, (In spanish but you will get the idea!)

http://www.youtube.com/user/noesiologia?gl=ES&hl=es

Permalink Reply by Antonio on May 8, 2009 at 12:51am

Good video. This I believe was a real experience. Most people don't realize, that a lot of Derrens stuff isn't nlp. He uses nlp as a distraction to what he is really doing. He's a performer first and foremost.

Permalink Reply by Antonio on May 8, 2009 at 1:38am

How is this not hypnosis? This is from Escuderos site - its a forum posting by him.


"I want to advise you about not confusing Noesitherapy with Hypnosis, Hypnosis has a different methodology and phenomenology. The only relationship they have is that both use capabilities of the human brain, but Noesitherapy works in an absolutely normal state of consciousness, the patient is more aware and awake than ever, without needing to sleep nor having any special trance. And, moreover, Noesitherapy is useful, especially in persons which are not suitable for hypnosis. These are our best patients…, and, of course, those people that serve for hypnosis are very easy for us."

1) We all know that hypnosis IS a normal state of consciousness where the person is not asleep, and is aware of what is going on.

2) Is there such a person who is not suitable for hypnosis - oh yeah someone who is dead and not breathing. EVERYONE can be hypnotized.

3) "and, of course, those people that serve for hypnosis are very easy for us." So he's saying that the people who are 'very easy for us' are people who are 'more susceptible'.

Basically noesitherapy is a form of waking hypnosis.



"Most people who insist that they're not doing hypnosis simply don't know what hypnosis is. A few weeks back, I heard a talk by someone who had studied "regression therapy" aimed at working out past life issues. Afterward, I commented to the presenter that she was doing hypnosis, to which she replied, "Oh, no, it's not hypnosis. The client never loses consciousness, is aware throughout, and remembers all of it." Oy vey. I explained that the same is usually true of hypnosis."

The above link is from http://www.hypnothoughts.com/forum/topics/noesitherapy-psychoanalge...

Permalink Reply by Rene Frederiksen on May 9, 2009 at 2:25pm

Hypnosis or not - Where is the limit ?!? Or the state where you change from "Normal con." and "Subcon."
We shift from one state to another all the time during the day .

Dr. Escudero says that NoEsiTherapy isnt hypnosis - So be it.
MAYBE it is in our eyes! but Dr. Escudero dont see it beeing hypnosis :-)

Where's the limit or border betwen Con. and SubCon? :-)
If you find it...Pls. paint it red and tell me where to find it :-) LOL

Permalink Reply by Antonio on May 9, 2009 at 2:37pm

The reason Dr. Escudero doesn't see it as hypnosis is because he doesn't know what hypnosis is.

"the only relationship they have is that both use capabilities of the human brain, but Noesitherapy works in an absolutely normal state of consciousness, the patient is more aware and awake than ever, without needing to sleep nor having any special trance."

We all know we are not 'sleeping' while in a hypnotic trance.

Permalink Reply by Rene Frederiksen on May 10, 2009 at 9:30am

Hi Antonio.
No - Dr. Escudero KNOW what hypnosis is.....According to Dr. Escudero - But as many other people, he regards hypnosis as a state of TOTAL "sleep-like-state" (Well I dont!)

During my day of training with him he did a guided hypnotic "relaxation"
Well I would call it Hypnosis - I know he doesnt :-) but its only a word! :-)


BUT as you wrote;
"I want to advise you about not confusing Noesitherapy with Hypnosis"

I cant see the difference from NoEsiTerapy and Hypnosis :-)
If you ever did hypnosis with children, you will know, that often they are REALLY active during hypnosis :-) So is THAT hypnosis? SURE....As long as you activate the subcon. its hypnosis :-)

I think we are on same track here :-)

Permalink Reply by Dr. Tom Virden on September 24, 2009 at 7:59am

Brown's video is very cool. It looks like a fairly standard hypnotic principles packaged in some remarkable showmanship.

I can't say much about the Escudero video, though the results are impressive. The debate here seems to boil down to how one defines hypnosis. Though there seem to be a lot of potential definitions abound, the one common thread is a receptibility to suggestion, so I'll stick with that and say that Escudero is indeed using a hypnotic modality.

Tom
www.creativepsychological.com