What is pain anyway?

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Permalink Reply by Alfredo Velasquez CHt. on September 24, 2009 at 8:38pm

I'm on 40 minutes of this video and just have to say is amazing. Thanks for share Rene

Permalink Reply by Walt Potter on November 6, 2009 at 7:29am

Rene,

This is a really great video!
You should post it for the whole forum!
It was well worth the time.

If others have resources like like this, I hope they'll point me in the right direction.

Thanks, Walt

Permalink Reply by Steve Lovold on November 27, 2009 at 9:32am

What I have observed with pain is how it can be manipulated, through degrees of acceptance. When for example someone is injured , let's say they step on a sharp tack.

The pain is not a welcome sensation, and the body / mind reaction causes a level of anxiety to cause the initial amount of pain to spread to spread to surrounding areas around the area where the tack pricked the skin.

The more the pain in question is accepted, the more one can cause that pain to lessen, and to what ever level, become desensitized from the unpleasant feeling, through whatever modality, and or exercise, be it breathing, or observation, etc.

Permalink Reply by Rene Frederiksen on November 27, 2009 at 10:42am

Hi Steve;
True - But what is more; You can learn to LOOK for the "Non Pain" sensation - That is - You can learn to SHUT DOWN the signal from the brain during hypnosis - AND if you learn this - Learn to do this OUTSIDE hypnosis as well. Wetter its acceptance or not I wont go into :-)

You mention an acute pain - But I find it that working with cronic pain works extreamly well.
I shall upload the "Hypno-Pills" that I made - A technic ANYBODY can learn to use with there clients and learn them to become painfree ;-)
I shall do it later on today :-)

Permalink Reply by Rene Frederiksen on November 27, 2009 at 11:27am

Find that attached "Hypno-Pills" PDF file..
That is what I call the collection of technics and ideas I use working with Pain - Pls. read it and let me know what you think and if you got more info or additional technics etc. pls. let me know :-)

Enjoy learning - Reading this
BR
Rene

Attachments:

• hypnopills UK.pdf, 232 KB

Permalink Reply by Pete & Lorraine on November 28, 2009 at 10:14am

Hi Rene
I have only had a quick read through so far, it's an area of hypnotherapy I have a growing interested in since watching a hernia operation and root canal op being done under hypnosis and would like to know/learn more. I found it very informative and would like to try your techniques and give you some feedback.

Cheers

Pete

Permalink Reply by Rene Frederiksen on November 28, 2009 at 2:26pm

Please do Pete :-)

Permalink Reply by Rene Frederiksen on January 12, 2010 at 10:44pm

Finished a couple of pain clients last week

AND I MUST stress that MOST pain comes from the surrondings of the "victim" rather from the illness!
Doctors - Nurses - Well meaning family - Friends - and nabo's etc.
The way the client is treaded in the world after an accident - THAT's the tricker for the pain and the reason for hanging on to the pain for MANY people - Sure - The illness is the BASIS reason of the pain but thats SO small compaired to the "outside world stress" the client feel
I have seen this again and again - And I truely trust that Hypnotherapy works with BOTH the physical and the Psychological world.
Shut down the signal from the nervous system (Brain) - and deal with the mistrust-let downs-disapointments etc the outside world provide - Hypnosis WORKS !!!

Rene Frederiksen said:

Please do Pete :-)

Permalink Reply by Rene Frederiksen on February 17, 2010 at 1:35am

Do any of you guys and girls have an idea about pain management and the sex?
I found that men need more work done before the painlevels drop or go away then woman do....

Is this a local Danish thing or do you guys see this around the world as well?

Permalink Reply by Iacobet Cosmin on February 17, 2010 at 3:52am

Well, haven't worked with pain medically (except my own,and that works just fine) but I would venture to say that women generally have a higer threshold to pain than men, just think at the ''cosmetic'' operations they undergo without any pain problems.I read somewhere, don't really remember where, that the difference in pain tolerance between men and women is due to the specific chemicals that are released in the women's bodies because they have the ability to give birth.As for the fact that they respond faster I would say that they actually follow directions better than men, that's my experience anyway..

Permalink Reply by Rene Frederiksen on February 17, 2010 at 4:02am

Its not so much the level of pain they can endure but more the ability to WORK with hypnosis for pain.
Men tend to take longer to get to the same lower levels of Pain as woman do...
BUT as the case always is with "Mental Health Theapy" the therapist is a part of the equation :-) So maybe I need to look here for the answer :-)

Iacobet Cosmin said:

Well, haven't worked with pain medically (except my own,and that works just fine) but I would venture to say that women generally have a higer threshold to pain than men, just think at the ''cosmetic'' operations they undergo without any pain problems.I read somewhere, don't really remember where, that the difference in pain tolerance between men and women is due to the specific chemicals that are released in the women's bodies because they give birth..

Permalink Reply by Pete & Lorraine on February 17, 2010 at 1:04pm

Hi Rene
Women being the nurturers tend to go the doctor more often either for or with the kids as well as them selves, they are used to following instruction given by the doctor, and of course they tend to be more intuitive, intuition may be the key, where as men I guess tend to lead give instruction plus the added macho image. When Lorraine needs a subject to go into hypnosis for one of her students he had to do an assurance test, in this case he put my right arm on an imaginary pile of cushions and bucket in my left hand, while he "filled it with wet sand" I know what was supposed to happen and the reason why, to prove I was in hypnosis, however I "held on" to that imaginary bucket until my arm was shaking with the strain, and I don't understand why! Was I testing my strength? It wasn't a competition or a strength test but I didn't want to put that "bucket" down
That's my theory.

Pete

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