Origin of Parts Therapy

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Permalink Reply by docregal.com on June 9, 2010 at 7:29am

A few names to research for Parts Therapy Work and related modalities include: Federn, Watkins, Tebbetts, Kluft, Torem, Fraser, Emmerson and Hunter

Permalink Reply by Anthony Jacquin on June 9, 2010 at 7:34am

Many thanks.

Permalink Reply by Suzan Iscil on June 9, 2010 at 10:14am

I was trained in NLP parts and the training took just a few minutes.

I don't know the history of the parts method for NLP, but I would certainly say it was an offshoot of the work by Roy and Charles. The NLP version doesn't have the steps and necessary attention to detail that Parts Therapy has. It seems to be an abbreviated version in NLP form.

The fact that it has the name that Roy uses indicates that it's an offshoot as well.

Permalink Reply by Anthony Jacquin on June 9, 2010 at 11:35am

Well Roy suggests Charles Tebbets was using 'Parts' in 1983. Frogs into Princes featuring the Parts reframe was written in 1979.

What origin do they have in common?

Anthony

Suzan Iscil said:

I was trained in NLP parts and the training took just a few minutes.
I don't know the history of the parts method for NLP, but I would certainly say it was an offshoot of the work by Roy and Charles. The NLP version doesn't have the steps and necessary attention to detail that Parts Therapy has. It seems to be an abbreviated version in NLP form.
The fact that it has the name that Roy uses indicates that it's an offshoot as well.

Permalink Reply by Brett Cameron on June 9, 2010 at 1:47pm

Wow Suzan ... a whole few minutes training in Parts Therapy. Can you imagine the world of exploration that awaits you when you embark on further training. I wouldn't generalise that NLP Parts is an abbreviated form. Maybe the NLP Course that you undertook didn't dedicate too much time to Parts Therapy. I am sure it varies course to course.

cheers ... Brett
www.channelled.com.au

Suzan Iscil said:

I was trained in NLP parts and the training took just a few minutes.

I don't know the history of the parts method for NLP, but I would certainly say it was an offshoot of the work by Roy and Charles. The NLP version doesn't have the steps and necessary attention to detail that Parts Therapy has. It seems to be an abbreviated version in NLP form.

The fact that it has the name that Roy uses indicates that it's an offshoot as well.

Permalink Reply by Suzan Iscil on June 11, 2010 at 3:49pm

I LOVE NLP and use it in every session. What I am trying to say is that NLP exercises are meant to be short and sweet and that is the beauty of them. They are not meant to do deep work with negotiations, mediation, integration etc.

We know that Charles pioneered what we know as Parts Therapy and originally called it Ego Parts. Roy carried on his work and called it Parts Therapy. That name was the name that Roy gave it. It would be very possible that someone adapted parts therapy for use in NLP.

There are similar methods such as Ego State therapy, but they have different names.

I know that for the Master NLP level, we are asked to come up with our own NLP method. Folks come up with new/great NLP methods every day and they could be based on other, more comprehensive methods.

Brett Cameron said:

Wow Suzan ... a whole few minutes training in Parts Therapy. Can you imagine the world of exploration that awaits you when you embark on further training. I wouldn't generalise that NLP Parts is an abbreviated form. Maybe the NLP Course that you undertook didn't dedicate too much time to Parts Therapy. I am sure it varies course to course.

cheers ... Brett
www.channelled.com.au

Suzan Iscil said:

I was trained in NLP parts and the training took just a few minutes.

I don't know the history of the parts method for NLP, but I would certainly say it was an offshoot of the work by Roy and Charles. The NLP version doesn't have the steps and necessary attention to detail that Parts Therapy has. It seems to be an abbreviated version in NLP form.

The fact that it has the name that Roy uses indicates that it's an offshoot as well.

Permalink Reply by docregal.com on June 12, 2010 at 1:51pm

Suzan, your clarification is appreciated. How is the NLP parts technique used if it is so brief? If the application is not therapeutic, what is it used for? Thanks for adding to this discussion.

Permalink Reply by Suzan Iscil on June 17, 2010 at 4:43pm

Sorry. Haven't been on lately. While I use NLP techniques in every appt, I have to say that after learning the NLP Parts technique and practicing in the class, I never used it with clients because I did parts therapy as I had learned from Roy. To the best of my recollection, the parts therapy in NLP was a short form of Parts Therapy as we practice it - a form of Gestalt role play where one hand represented the part that wanted to continue to eat sweets and the other hand represented the part that wanted to eat healthy foods. The hands spoke their thoughts on the subject and told each other how they felt about each other and the facilitator helped them make an agreement but it was not really a negotiation or mediation process. I know every teacher teaches differently, but I remember it being more facilitator led and the exercises took 5-10 minute whereas Parts Therapy session often run over an hour for me. .

Permalink Reply by docregal.com on June 17, 2010 at 4:55pm

So if I understand what you are saying, Suzan, the NLP method is operator directed since it requires leading the client.

Permalink Reply by Suzan Iscil on June 19, 2010 at 3:09am

Since the orig question was where do Parts Therapy and the NLP 6 step re-frame cross, I pulled out my NLP manual and Roy's book. In class, I remember having 2 different parts in 2 different hands, but the 6 steps only work with 1 single part.

NLP step 1 = set up signals for yes/no - This is on p. 35 of Roy's book Hypnosis for Inner Conflict Resolution

NLP Step 2 = Talk to the part, thank it, let it know that we know it has positive intention - This is a condensed form of steps 1-4 on p. 48 of Roy's book

NLP step 3 = Are you willing to let the conscious mind know the value of what you do for Suzan? - This is step 5 on p.48 of Roy's book

NLP step 4 = (to the part) Can you find 3 ways to do the same job for Suzan.? Then ask the part to evaluate the new choices to see if they are as effective, immediate etc. - This is not Roy's model as we have 2 parts negotiate to come up with the new choices

NLP step 5 = Ask the part to choose the most satisfying of the new ways - This is not Roy's model as we have the 2 parts negotiate to come up with the new choices

NLP step 6=- Future pacing - go into the future to try this new choice on and see how it works in your life and your interaction with others - This is not Roy's model, but we do use it in hypnosis sessions and NLP session regularly - this is just a standard procedure for the field

NLP step 6 continued - Ask ALL parts if they agree. If "yes" you're done. If "no," circle back to the beginning - This is Roy's confirming terms of agreement on page 107.

Since the NLP steps mirror Roy's steps with the exception of steps 4 and 5 since there is no negotiation process in the NLP version, it seems that the NLP version is an adaptation of Roy's work. Sorry I didn't do the comparison 10 days ago. This was a good exercise - now I'll be prepared to answer questions if anyone asks :)

Permalink Reply by Anthony Jacquin on June 19, 2010 at 3:24am

The links DocRegal posted were really helpful.

I appreciate you making the effort to compare them Susan. I understand the difference between the two. I am interested in trying to find a common origin. It surprises me that you suggest NLP is an adaptation of the Roys approach when it appears the six step came first, quite a few years earlier.

Please understand I am not putting one above another. They are different processes - both useful. It just seems odd to suggest that it is an adaptation given the history and I did not want to have lead you down the wrong path with regard to your answer.

As I said I found it interesting that Charles, Roys mentor studied with Fritz Perls and wondered what he got from him.

All the best

Anthony

Permalink Reply by Suzan Iscil on June 19, 2010 at 5:16am

I think this is a fun question. Do you know who started the NLP method of Parts and or when?

When you say step 6 came first, quite a few years earlier, what was it prior to? I'm not sure of the history of step 6 other than from Charles and Roy. It sounds like you have some of the NLP facts. Tebbitts worked on his method beginning in the 60's.

As far as Parts history, Roy taught us that Tebbitts and Watkins and Watkins separately created methods based on the work of Paul Federn. Tabetts was in a completely different area than Watkins and Watkins but came up with a similar method. Tebbitts' was called "Ego Parts" and Watkins and Watkins' was called Ego state Therapy.

The sentence below was from one of Roy's articles on Hypnosis.org:


Who was Charles Tebbitts? in Hypnosis.org
During the 1960’s and 1970’s he pioneered a technique based on the work of Paul Federn, utilizing the various aspects of the personality that he called ego parts.

Doc, you mention 3 names that I am not familiar with: Kluft, Torem and Fraser. Do you know if any of those 3 were associated with NLP?

Anthony Jacquin said:

The links DocRegal posted were really helpful.

I appreciate you making the effort to compare them Susan. I understand the difference between the two. I am interested in trying to find a common origin. It surprises me that you suggest NLP is an adaptation of the Roys approach when it appears the six step came first, quite a few years earlier.

Please understand I am not putting one above another. They are different processes - both useful. It just seems odd to suggest that it is an adaptation given the history and I did not want to have lead you down the wrong path with regard to your answer.

As I said I found it interesting that Charles, Roys mentor studied with Fritz Perls and wondered what he got from him.

All the best

Anthony

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