Origin of Parts Therapy

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Permalink Reply by docregal.com on June 19, 2010 at 2:13pm

I am not familiar with the complete training of these individuals however it is likely that they have an understanding of the fundamental NLP principles.

BTW, his name is spelled: Charles Tebbetts

Permalink Reply by Suzan Iscil on June 21, 2010 at 7:26am

:) Thanks! It was early. I realized after I sent it.

Doc Regal said:

I am not familiar with the complete training of these individuals however it is likely that they have an understanding of the fundamental NLP principles.

BTW, his name is spelled: Charles Tebbetts

Permalink Reply by Roy Hunter on June 23, 2010 at 11:18am

Hello everyone,

I've been offline from Hypnothoughts for several days, and am pleased to see such a lively discussion on the origins of parts therapy. For the record, I learned it from Charles Tebbetts personally in 1983.

Tebbetts originally pioneered it based on the work of Paul Federn (after reading about his work in the 1950's), and evolved it over a number of years. Originally he referred to the parts as "ego parts" and then he himself shortened it to "parts" at the time I was taught. Tebbetts also taught Gestalt, because the client role plays each part just as he/she might role play another person during regression therapy. He once showed us a b/w video of Fritz Perls sitting in a circle of clients doing Gestalt with each of them...while he smoked on a pipe and blew smoke in their faces!

Contemporary with the development of parts therapy, John and Helen Watkins pioneered ego state therapy, which was also based on the work of Federn.

Other variations came later, and I believe that most (if not all) are spin-offs of either parts therapy or ego state therapy. My text, HYPNOSIS FOR INNER CONFLICT RESOLUTION: INTRODUCING PARTS THERAPY has a chapter that discusses the variations, including voice dialogue (an NLP version).

Also (for the record), Suzan Iscl attended both my parts therapy training AND my first "Train the Parts Therapy Trainer" workshop...so she has invested considerable time mastering parts therapy.

Roy Hunter
www.royhunter.com

Permalink Reply by Kevin Cole-NLPTrainingQuest.com on November 29, 2010 at 1:33am

Hi everyone,

I just stumbled onto this older post and would love to add a bit of insight to it.

First off, Suzan, I'm not certain who you trained with in NLP, but if they taught you to do Parts Work in just a couple of minutes all I can say is Wow... they did not teach you very well. At least when it comes to Parts Work. I personally dedicate about 2 and a half DAYS to it in Practitioner and continue with it further in Master Practitioner. Here's a video of me working with a student using a great deal of Parts Work and you'll see it's pretty in depth: http://www.hypnothoughts.com/video/student-overcomes-over-30

Now, of course Roy is the master when it comes to Parts Therapy via Charles Tebbetts and has "second hand knowledge" as to the history of "Parts Therapy", where as my knowledge of "Parts Work" is more "3rd and 4th hand knowledge", so I will simply refer to the history as I know it as... "As legend has it..."

That said, "Parts Work" (as it's usually referred to in NLP) was first utilized in NLP by Richard Bandler & John Grinder who learned about it from Virginia Satir (Who made infamous what's called a "Parts Party").

Now, who Virginia learned about Parts Work from, and whether or not it was Charles Tebbetts - or possibly Charles Tebbetts learned about it from her, is unknown to me and to most others as well.

While there is much recorded history regarding Virginia and her form of Parts Work, there unfortunately simply is not very much recorded history regarding Charles and his form of Parts Therapy- but they are very similiar.

That said, Parts Work (again speaking in the realm of NLP, but with much respect towards Parts Therapy) was later taken to entirely different realms with techniques including, but not limited to Core Transformation created by Connirae and Tammara Andreas. **Definitely not a process that only takes a couple of minutes... We're talking a minimum of 45 minutes...

And of course Roy has done an incredible job at continuing to take Charles Tabbetts work in Parts Therapy to greater realms as well.

So... which came first, the chicken or the egg? I'm not sure, but what I do know is that the understanding and use of 'Subconscious Parts Conflicts' and the 'Communication and Integration' of 'Subconscious Parts' crossed over into NLP mainly from the work of Virginia Satir - and I believe some from Fritz Pearls as well (although I do not believe he approached 'Parts Work' in nearly the same way that NLP uses it today.

Hope that sheds some light on this mystery...

-Kevin

Permalink Reply by docregal.com on November 29, 2010 at 3:30am

Paul Federn (October 13, 1871 - May 4, 1950)
In the late 1920s, Federn published important books such as "Some Variations in Ego-Feeling" and "Narcissism in the Structure of the Ego". In his works he elucidated upon the concepts of "ego states", "ego limits", "ego cathexis" and the median nature of narcissism.

Source

Permalink Reply by Anthony Jacquin on November 29, 2010 at 5:54am

Thanks for all the info.

I guess the main split I am looking for is between

a) working with two parts in conflict a la Hunter
b) working with one part, one intention a la NLP

Thanks again.

Anthony

Permalink Reply by Kevin Cole-NLPTrainingQuest.com on November 29, 2010 at 10:32am

--There is no working with *just one Part* "ala NLP". Here's one of many links discussing her work and a bit more of the history behind Parts Work in NLP and other modalities as well. That said, it unfortunately does not mention Charles Tebbetts, which I think is a shame : http://www.transformations.net.nz/trancescript/parts-intergration-a...

Again, Virginia worked with one part, two parts, and many parts "ala Parts Party" and that's where NLP first utlized Parts Work and it has expanded from there.

That said, there isn't always a "Parts Conflict" with clients, especially when you "chunk up" to a specific parts highest intention first.

Hope that clarifies things...

-Kevin




Anthony Jacquin said:

Thanks for all the info.

I guess the main split I am looking for is between

a) working with two parts in conflict a la Hunter
b) working with one part, one intention a la NLP

Thanks again.

Anthony

Permalink Reply by Anthony Jacquin on November 29, 2010 at 10:49am

Let me clarify Kevin, as 'a la NLP' is a little broad.

I am referring to dealing with one part with an intention - the kind of language used in a six step reframe, outlined in Frogs into Princes and the original Tranceformations.

Thanks for the link.

Anthony



Kevin Cole-NLPTrainingQuest.com said:

--There is no working with *just one Part* "ala NLP". Here's one of many links discussing her work and a bit more of the history behind Parts Work in NLP and other modalities as well. That said, it unfortunately does not mention Charles Tebbetts, which I think is a shame : http://www.transformations.net.nz/trancescript/parts-intergration-a...

Again, Virginia worked with one part, two parts, and many parts "ala Parts Party" and that's where NLP first utlized Parts Work and it has expanded from there.

That said, there isn't always a "Parts Conflict" with clients, especially when you "chunk up" to a specific parts highest intention first.

Hope that clarifies things...

-Kevin




Anthony Jacquin said:

Thanks for all the info.

I guess the main split I am looking for is between

a) working with two parts in conflict a la Hunter
b) working with one part, one intention a la NLP

Thanks again.

Anthony

Permalink Reply by Kevin Cole-NLPTrainingQuest.com on November 29, 2010 at 11:21am

Gotcha... I'm not sure if you're familiar with what's called "The Visual Squash" (And I can't remember if it's in Frogs into Princes or Trance-Formations), but it involves somewhat of a different language than a process like 6 Step Re-framing...

And of course, I "think" it was Connirae Andreas that originally thought to "chunk up" to a specific parts highest intention- which keeps the parts 'conflicts' down to a minimum- and I always emphasize the value in that. **Again, I only "think" it was Connirae that first started "chunking up" when it comes to working with parts. I could be mistaken. In addition, it's a good idea to realize that working with parts- in any form- is much more of an art, than a specific technique, hence why -imo- it should definitely be taught over a period of at least a couple of days.

That said, I want to continue to respect the fact that this is Roy Hunter's discussion group on Parts Therapy and he is the true master of that arena. I'm simply sharing my experiences from the world of Parts Work in the NLP arena, since the question was brought up...

Thanks Roy, for allowing me to comment and I hope my distinctions between the two are clear...

-Kevin


Anthony Jacquin said:

Let me clarify Kevin, as 'a la NLP' is a little broad.

I am referring to dealing with one part with an intention - the kind of language used in a six step reframe, outlined in Frogs into Princes and the original Tranceformations.

Thanks for the link.

Anthony



Kevin Cole-NLPTrainingQuest.com said:

--There is no working with *just one Part* "ala NLP". Here's one of many links discussing her work and a bit more of the history behind Parts Work in NLP and other modalities as well. That said, it unfortunately does not mention Charles Tebbetts, which I think is a shame : http://www.transformations.net.nz/trancescript/parts-intergration-a...

Again, Virginia worked with one part, two parts, and many parts "ala Parts Party" and that's where NLP first utlized Parts Work and it has expanded from there.

That said, there isn't always a "Parts Conflict" with clients, especially when you "chunk up" to a specific parts highest intention first.

Hope that clarifies things...

-Kevin




Anthony Jacquin said:

Thanks for all the info.

I guess the main split I am looking for is between

a) working with two parts in conflict a la Hunter
b) working with one part, one intention a la NLP

Thanks again.

Anthony

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